it has been brought up a couple of times in the german forums, so it
seems there is a need for mapping the dimensions of roads (similar to
riverbanks for rivers). the tag itself was suggested by another user,
but i thought it would be a good idea to put it into a dedicated
proposal.
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
It's been about a month now, and I've gotten some feedback from the
talk page. My thoughts are that we either:
* reuse the existing place=suburb (as the wiki definition seems like
it might work)
* use the new place=neighbourhood
yes, you can use suburb
On 11/05/2011 05:27, Josh Doe wrote:
It's been about a month now, and I've gotten some feedback from the
talk page. My thoughts are that we either:
* reuse the existing place=suburb (as the wiki definition seems like
it might work)
* use the new place=neighbourhood
Either way I think we need
2011/5/11 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
Of course there can also be parallel
hierarchies, like police force areas and their districts and subdistricts,
or postal systems with major towns, distribution points and individual
postcodes (in the UK these frequently span national borders!).
On 5/11/2011 5:09 AM, Flaimo wrote:
it has been brought up a couple of times in the german forums, so it
seems there is a need for mapping the dimensions of roads (similar to
riverbanks for rivers). the tag itself was suggested by another user,
but i thought it would be a good idea to put it
Hi.
Right now I've had a wtf moment. As some of you remember, there was a
proposal for water=* tag. It was discussed, voted upon and approved by 16
to 3 votes. But now there are some enraged wiki editors, one of whom erased
the whole voting section and reverted status to Proposed. And the
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
There's a problem if this is treated like landuse.
it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for
landuse=highway.
The highway landuse goes
up to the edge of the right-of-way, and includes sidewalks and and clear
zones,
On 11/05/2011 12:19, Ilya Zverev wrote:
I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any
proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those
which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid?
If so most of map features would be invalid because many
On 5/11/2011 7:34 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com:
There's a problem if this is treated like landuse.
it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for
landuse=highway.
The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular
2011/5/11 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru:
I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any
proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those
which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid?
Well, it is an established convention to send an email to
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular stating that one
might cut off adjacent landuses at its border. But the two positions on
landuse are that it shouldn't be cut or that it should be cut at the
right-of-way line, not at the edge
On 11/05/11 12:38, SomeoneElse wrote:
On 11/05/2011 12:19, Ilya Zverev wrote:
I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any
proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those
which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid?
If so most of map
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for
things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting
steadily more and more complex and confusing and less and less beneficial.
I
Am 11.05.2011 15:04, schrieb Richard Mann:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for
things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting
steadily more and more complex and
On 11 May 2011 23:04, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for
things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting
On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote:
you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still
heated discussions on how detailed landuses should be mapped. some
leave out the areas of the streets, some don't. all i wanted to state
out is, that this isn't a part of the area:highway
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote:
you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still
heated discussions on how detailed landuses should be mapped. some
leave out the areas of the streets, some don't. all i wanted to state
On 5/11/2011 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote:
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com
On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote:
you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are
still
heated discussions on how detailed
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:26 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, you can use suburb for all kinds of subdivisions, but it is not
really helpful for other then find something for a given name. In the
case of an actual hierarchy (is contained in) or a quantitative
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
On 5/11/2011 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote:
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com
On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote:
you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are
On 5/11/2011 11:36 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote:
No, wait. I put landuse up to the border of the property, let's say up
to the fence; then there (may be) the sidewalk; then there's the road (I
know that road legally includes the sidewalks too; I'm using it here
with the commonly used meaning). The
Ilya Zverev wrote:
As some of you remember, there was a
proposal for water=* tag. It was discussed, voted upon and approved by 16
to 3 votes. But now there are some enraged wiki editors, one of whom erased
the whole voting section and reverted status to Proposed. And the
reasons, which he
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
I would recommend maintaining clarity as to whether an admin_level is
* official (as opposed to informal)
* strictly hierarchical (as opposed to geographic/topographic areas)
For example, London in an informal
Flaimo wrote:
it has been brought up a couple of times in the german forums, so it
seems there is a need for mapping the dimensions of roads (similar to
riverbanks for rivers). the tag itself was suggested by another user,
but i thought it would be a good idea to put it into a dedicated
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that
are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend
to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central
On 5/11/2011 12:49 PM, Josh Doe wrote:
But sometimes they are formal, either at the governmental level or
semi-governmental level (think HOA that has legal rights to enforce.
It's kind of different in that the restrictions apply only to residents
and their guests, not to people passing
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
It's kind of different in that the restrictions apply only to residents and
their guests, not to people passing through on public roads. The average
person won't care that they're leaving the area covered by Sky Lake
On 5/11/2011 2:08 PM, Josh Doe wrote:
I agree, but Burke Centre is definitely not just arbitrary lines drawn
by others. I'm sure there are plenty of CDPs which aren't recognized
in other ways, but many do align with USPS city names. That being said
the main topic here is neighborhoods, which the
Josh Doe wrote:
So unless I'm mistaken, separate
areas for the individual lanes wouldn't provide more information;
they'd just add more clutter.
I think this depends on whether you adopt the sidewalk as a separate
way method or the sidewalk=left/right/both/no method. In my area of
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that they're important to map. But they're not administrative units,
and shouldn't be mapped as such.
How do you suggest doing this without breaking the way people expect a
service like Nominatim to operate?
Actually there is a problem here:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/water#values
water is already in wide use, but most of the values in use are not
part of the proposal. Maybe some amendmend or changing of the key name
(e.g. water:type seems to be what the proposal wants to achieve:
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
Flaimo wrote:
In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that
are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend
to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central
highway ways and
that is perfectly possible with area:highway. just tag the road
area:highway=residential for example and the other
area:highway=footway. all values from the highway key are possible (at
least from the roads or paths category).
flaimo
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On 11/05/2011 20:28, Josh Doe wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that they're important to map. But they're not administrative units,
and shouldn't be mapped as such.
How do you suggest doing this without breaking the way people expect a
there was a lot of discussion going on over the last two days for this
proposal, but still hardly anyone voted. i think it would be a good
idea if everyone who took part in the discussion would vote, so that
we at least get an impression on the tendency for or against the
childcare value.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Tagging something wilfully and deliberately wrongly in order to obtain the
desired visible results is called tagging for the renderer and is almost
universally frowned upon - see [1]... If Nominatim doesn't know to look
Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative
units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon
boundaries. Different people may consider the same location to be in different
neighborhoods.
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Tagging something wilfully and deliberately wrongly in order to obtain the
desired visible results is called tagging for the renderer and is almost
universally frowned upon - see [1]... If Nominatim doesn't know to look
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:14 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative
units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon
boundaries. Different people may consider the same location to be in
different
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
I'm all for creating something else, however I didn't tag it this way,
this is how the TIGER places import was done, so this affects at least
the entire US.
Saying it's the way it was done in the single worst import we've done
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the
center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can
still be determined at any point along the road from just the single
outline area and the way position.
no, if this would
Am 11.05.2011 um 23:01 schrieb Tobias Knerr:
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the
center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can
still be determined at any point along the road from just the single
outline
2011/5/11 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare#Voting
I don't see why there should be service_hours:childcare. Can't we
reuse service_times?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service_times
cheers,
Martin
2011/5/11 j...@jfeldredge.com:
Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative
units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon
boundaries. Different people may consider the same location to be in
different neighborhoods.
then it's a
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
Can we begin discussion of this? A place_level that allows for
unincorporated areas, neighborhoods, and the like.
I am not sure that we need a place_level. Such a key would only make
sense if there was a clear hierarchy. Place structures can be
different
On 5/11/2011 2:28 PM, Josh Doe wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that they're important to map. But they're not administrative units,
and shouldn't be mapped as such.
How do you suggest doing this without breaking the way people expect
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