Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote... Well done Paul, for not rising to the bait. Can we keep discussions productive please. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Dave F.
On 14/06/2011 19:49, Peter Svensson wrote: This tag might be useful for subjective tagging for bikes: Please avoid subjective tagging, because, err... it's /subjective/. For confusing examples refer to the page you linked to. Dave F. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 12:48 +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 14/06/2011 19:49, Peter Svensson wrote: This tag might be useful for subjective tagging for bikes: Please avoid subjective tagging, because, err... it's subjective. For confusing examples refer to the page you linked to. Out of

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Out of interest, as tracktype=gradeX is subjective also, should we avoid using that too? A scale is not necessarily subjective if it is well defined. The key sac_scale is a good example. tracktype would probably

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Sander Deryckere
If you want an absolute safety value, then you need some numbers like the number of accidents that happened between 2000 and now on that road. It seems that Ethias (an insurance company) uses that data in an iPhone app (I don't have an iPhone, so I can't try it). If you use google translate (or

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 15.06.2011 16:29, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au mailto:da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Out of interest, as tracktype=gradeX is subjective also, should we avoid using that too? A scale is not necessarily subjective if it is

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Felix Hartmann
a dangerousness scale for bikers has been many times discussed in my country. The problem is that even outside OSM itself, there is no real standard and many local initiatives (at municipalities level) do not have a common agreement about such scale. But it is clear for me that access=avoid is

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On 06/13/2011 06:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. Nice troll. Go back under your bridge. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions and not for recommendations. Why not use another tag? Their number is not limited...

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Sander Deryckere
It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. regards, Sander you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions and not for recommendations. Why not use another tag? Their

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they're sitting in the same boat ;-) Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/14/2011 5:57 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/6/14 Sander Deryckeresander...@gmail.com: It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they're sitting in the same boat ;-)

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Mann
That'll be a very big boat On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes,

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Flaimo
, just like wheelchair:description, you could use hgv:avoid=yes/no. flaimo Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:47:26 +0200 From: M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools        tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/14/2011 6:19 AM, Flaimo wrote: the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal kind. access=no could also mean that it is physically not accessible even though it might be allowed legally. Are there any common values that are neither legal nor physical? on the other

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/06/2011 11:19, Flaimo wrote: the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal kind. The wiki page makes it abundantly clear that this is what access is for. It uses words such as /legally-enshrined right of access and //dedicated to a specific mode of travel by

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal kind. How else can you interpret: Description For describing the legal accessibility of an element. ? access=no could also mean that it is physically not accessible even though it might

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Peter Svensson
∡rtin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 14 juni 2011 11:47 Till: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Ämne: Re: [Tagging] access=avoid 2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. you are actually

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Sander Deryckere
discussion, strategy and related tools Ämne: Re: [Tagging] access=avoid 2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions

[Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging