Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/12/2011 9:45 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/12 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: On 5/12/2011 2:31 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/12 flylowfligh...@googlemail.com: What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: OK, but there's still the issue of a so-called flush median. I think in a rural area with few intersections this would be called a dual carriageway. I can't find an image, but Interstate 90 used to have one over Lookout Pass in Idaho. You can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: We should make a difference between physically impossible and physically possible but legally forbidden. This is important for a series of situations, e.g. an emergency car in action could cross a road marking without problems (paying attention to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: An emergency vehicle could also cross a grass median if there's no raised barrier. yes, and a person can jump over a 2ft wall and climb a 8ft wall. A series of bollards is no barrier to bicycles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 11.05.2011 23:45, schrieb Stefan Bethke: Am 11.05.2011 um 23:01 schrieb Tobias Knerr: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can still be determined at any point

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can still be determined at any point along the road from just the single outline

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
Sorry for my previous unfinished mail, I didn't want to send it. To summarize what I intended to say: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for the entire road, and no one has provided a counter example yet. * If everyone mapped road parts as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread john
to the side, and about two meters above the roadway, with occasional steps down to the roadway (the road ascends a steep hill on a diagonal). ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway From :mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com Date :Thu May 12 03:09:50 America

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 12.05.2011 um 10:50 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Sorry for my previous unfinished mail, I didn't want to send it. To summarize what I intended to say: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for the entire road, and no one has provided a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/12 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Am 12.05.2011 um 10:50 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Sorry for my previous unfinished mail, I didn't want to send it. To summarize what I intended to say: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/12/2011 7:58 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes. There are sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk. Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider. On one street here in Nashville, Tennessee,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 j...@jfeldredge.com: Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes.  There are sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk.   Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider.  On one street here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 12.05.2011 um 10:50 schrieb Tobias Knerr: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for the entire road, and no one has provided a counter example yet. Ever been to any city? Should I post photos just looking out the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread fly
Am 12.05.2011 19:03, schrieb Tobias Knerr: Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 12.05.2011 um 10:50 schrieb Tobias Knerr: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for the entire road, and no one has provided a counter example yet. Ever been to any city?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the paving, no physical barrier) it's actually not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/12/2011 2:31 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/12 flylowfligh...@googlemail.com: What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread fly
Am 12.05.2011 22:27, schrieb Stefan Bethke: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.569837lon=10.027266zoom=18layers=M For comparison: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8hq=ll=53.569829,10.026878spn=0.0015,0.003468t=hz=19 (about two years old, a couple of details have changed since.) As you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2011 5:09 AM, Flaimo wrote: it has been brought up a couple of times in the german forums, so it seems there is a need for mapping the dimensions of roads (similar to riverbanks for rivers). the tag itself was suggested by another user, but i thought it would be a good idea to put it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: There's a problem if this is treated like landuse. it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for landuse=highway. The highway landuse goes up to the edge of the right-of-way, and includes sidewalks and and clear zones,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2011 7:34 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: There's a problem if this is treated like landuse. it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for landuse=highway. The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular stating that one might cut off adjacent landuses at its border. But the two positions on landuse are that it shouldn't be cut or that it should be cut at the right-of-way line, not at the edge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still heated discussions on how detailed landuses should be mapped. some leave out the areas of the streets, some don't. all i wanted to state out is, that this isn't a part of the area:highway

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still heated discussions on how detailed landuses should be mapped. some leave out the areas of the streets, some don't. all i wanted to state

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2011 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still heated discussions on how detailed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2011 11:36 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: No, wait. I put landuse up to the border of the property, let's say up to the fence; then there (may be) the sidewalk; then there's the road (I know that road legally includes the sidewalks too; I'm using it here with the commonly used meaning). The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Flaimo wrote: it has been brought up a couple of times in the german forums, so it seems there is a need for mapping the dimensions of roads (similar to riverbanks for rivers). the tag itself was suggested by another user, but i thought it would be a good idea to put it into a dedicated

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Josh Doe
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Josh Doe wrote: So unless I'm mistaken, separate areas for the individual lanes wouldn't provide more information; they'd just add more clutter. I think this depends on whether you adopt the sidewalk as a separate way method or the sidewalk=left/right/both/no method. In my area of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Flaimo wrote: In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central highway ways and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Flaimo
: Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools        tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway Message-ID: banlktinwgnh6t0zntxoh3m3dvwnytao...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can still be determined at any point along the road from just the single outline area and the way position. no, if this would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 11.05.2011 um 23:01 schrieb Tobias Knerr: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can still be determined at any point along the road from just the single outline