Re: [Tagging] Permanent open air stage

2010-08-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/08/2010 10:03, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: leisure = openair_stage or leisure=open_air_stage? osmdoc (specifically http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/leisure/#values) doesn't have either as of August 2009. Maybe an XAPI check somehere where you know some have been mapped might suggest one or the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an unsigned bike lane?

2010-08-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/08/2010 15:31, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: Hell no. That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling. Picture a typical bike lane; now remove all signage and markings calling it a bike lane. Here's an example:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Culvert and average contributor

2010-08-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 27/08/2010 13:42, Pieren wrote: Again, I'm not a native english speaker but It seems that culvert is also used to designate a bridge. Some quick searches on internet: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Culvert_2_%28PSF%29.png http://www.rommesmo.com/steeltruss.htm or tunnels:

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/08/2010 10:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can actually see informal footways/paths quite well in aerial imagery. If they are there and you have good resolution images. Usually the grass is aside then, because grass doesn't grow where people (or animals) walk. It disappears even if it

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/08/2010 21:48, Pieren wrote: And if you go ahead with this article: When boxes or pipes are placed side-by-side to create a width of greater than twenty feet, the culvert is defined as a bridge in the United States And if you go on reading it says This is a requirement of the federal

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-09-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/09/2010 20:24, Anthony wrote: All the examples of waterways on that wiki page are open. Well; normally open - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.327lon=-1.74192zoom=14 is an example of a bit of canal that isn't In any case, as I said, there's no reason the default has to be the

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-09-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/09/2010 20:53, Anthony wrote: Can you pardon my laziness and tell me whether or not the water in that part of the canal fills the entire tunnel. It doesn't - there's a narrow footpath to the side (presumably where boats were pulled along manually - the horses had to take the path over

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-09-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/09/2010 21:42, Anthony wrote: (While looking at this I also noticed we have barrier=ditch and waterway=ditch. That also sucks, unless there's some distinction between the two. Presumably that's different wiki editors arriving at the same feature from different angles? I'd say there

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-07 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/09/2010 16:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I already voted yes, but actually agricultural_engines doesn't correspond to Landmaschinen, it might be agricultural_machinery, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_machinery (but this article actually looks like it was created by a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Unnamed footways for pedestrian navigation

2010-09-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 10/09/2010 11:14, Tobias Knerr wrote: Lulu-Ann wrote: I would like to add loc_name-tags for this and name ways like footway from village A to B, west of footway crossing in MyWoodName Yes: Don't use loc_name (or any other key that contains name) for this. It's not a name. It's a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-26 Thread SomeoneElse
On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_club Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more widespread use...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 27/09/2010 01:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more widespread use... Why would we use amenity when we have a more specific key (leisure) that fits perfectly? Your're

Re: [Tagging] Layer=* tags disappearing

2010-10-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/10/2010 06:39, Peter Budny wrote: I've noticed that some bridges and tunnels I've edited previously no longer have layer=* tags on them. I could swear they did before. Is there some bot (or person) going through and removing them? There was a bot a couple of years ago that ADDED layer

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the Map Features? This will only hamper adoption. Because they do a search of the wiki (and the mailing lists, and

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino? Cheers, Andy * Westminster Council via

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/11/2010 13:40, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count

Re: [Tagging] Pls explain?

2011-02-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/02/2011 12:40, Steve Bennett wrote: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/man_made=dolphin Any ideas? Not a clue. But the XAPI's up at the moment, so you can ask the mappers concerned. Also: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43180471 note

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/02/2011 15:23, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I believe the word is contraflow. Contraflow is certainly the version always used in the UK (generally preceded by an expletive, as in stuck in a *** contraflow for two hours). A quick web search found both counterflow and contraflow; maybe

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/03/2011 14:15, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I'd like to suggest collapsing these two tags into a unified tag and making a final vote, and then fixing tags as necessary. I'd be happy to use whichever tag has the wider acceptance. All the footway=left/right/both that I've added have been

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/03/2011 14:53, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:42 AM,j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Collapsing the two tags into one seems reasonable, but there should continue to be a wiki page for whichever tag is discontinued, in order to direct people to the preferred tag. That's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/03/2011 16:29, David Paleino wrote: What I understood was that the first tagging example of my page was that [1] was generally accepted. [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hanska/Sidewalk#Mapping_as_a_separate_way The original page said something like: if ( sidewalk is a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/03/2011 20:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote: That's partially true- it's true we have no official tags, but it's also true that the tags which are approved are the ones which get rendered, and the ones who people write software against. Well - sort-of. There's a correlation between what gets

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Er - I'm confused. We've now got: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sloped_curb http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kerb

Re: [Tagging] Proposed Feature - Public Transport - Voting

2011-03-31 Thread SomeoneElse
On 31/03/2011 09:41, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: Voting is open for public transport proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport This may be a silly question, but... From a mkgmap perspective, I can search for public_transport=platform and treat it as

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/04/2011 13:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/1 Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Excellent example of wiki fiddling ... at least this was discussed and voted about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/generator_rationalisation But not greatly used:

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-04-14 Thread SomeoneElse
neighbourhood sounds pretty similar to locality - a couple of examples on the place=locality page could count (e.g. Seacroft in Leeds, if it's considered too small to be a suburb). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality Whoever wrote does not have any population at the top of that page

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread SomeoneElse
I'm not sure that I understand your problem. Currently when people see something they decide what to tag it, based on what other people have used in the past and/or what's documented on the wiki - some people are seeing things for which they think foo=bar is appropriate. Often the choice of

Re: [Tagging] music clubs tagging

2011-05-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/05/2011 12:04, David Murn wrote: Taginfo suggests 100 uses combined between amenity=music_venue and leusire=music_venue. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Music_venue http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/search?q=music#values Thanks - either of those sounds like a good

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/05/2011 12:19, Ilya Zverev wrote: I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid? If so most of map features would be invalid because many

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/06/2011 11:19, Flaimo wrote: the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal kind. The wiki page makes it abundantly clear that this is what access is for. It uses words such as /legally-enshrined right of access and //dedicated to a specific mode of travel by

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/06/2011 02:24, Josh Doe wrote: I noticed user seav changed all tags to drive_through, at least in my area, apparently based on wiki discussions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits Taginfo shows 1553 uses of drive_through, and 275 of drive-through. It sounds fine to me, so we

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/06/2011 13:22, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I don't run any bots. I used JXAPI and JOSM. That's irrelevant; you're still changing data across the planet. Data consumers still need to know if the data is changing beneath their feet, though. Your last post on the tagging list:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

2011-07-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/07/2011 16:49, fly wrote: A check on data how often these values are already used would be helpful, maybe we can accept some without voting. You mean like: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/barrier#values ? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/07/2011 21:43, Pieren wrote: The Passage de la Boule Blanche is closed by a door. Or would you qualify this a gate ? Speaking entirely for myself, I'd call that a gate. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/07/2011 16:47, fly wrote: There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Thanks - I was wondering what visor=hedge meant! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 15/07/2011 22:52, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: I couldn't find anything better than tourism movement. I realise that although in english it is frequently used, it has a more general meaning, like propagation of countryside tourism, hiking, etc. I'm English and don't have a clue what tourism

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 15/07/2011 23:17, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: Just read my message further. I did. You said Any organisation or association can start a tourism movement (TM).. That's why I asked for an example, to enable a bit of googling. Are you talking about something like the VVV in Holland, or the

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-13 Thread SomeoneElse
Michael Krämer wrote: Permissive means that you have permission by default. Is 'permit' better-known by non-English speakers than 'permission'? To me this would be something different: I would assume that a permit is some document expressing permission. For something tagged with access=permit I

Re: [Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-07 Thread SomeoneElse
Volker Schmidt wrote: How do I tag a Site of Community Importance (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_of_Community_Importance)? A few people have gone for: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=site_of_special_scientific_interest for SSSIs

Re: [Tagging] Business being operated out of a home?

2012-03-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Ronnie Soak wrote: So maybe it's ok if you can get the information from elsewhere (like for historic features no longer visible or abstract concepts like administrative borders), Personally I'd add a source tag anywhere that there might be some doubt as to what something might be called, so

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread SomeoneElse
Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word

[Tagging] The wiki (was Re: That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved)

2012-05-29 Thread SomeoneElse
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Russ Nelsonnel...@crynwr.com wrote: So? The wiki is the place for documenting how YOU map, not how other people SHOULD map. The only thing you SHOULDN'T do in the wiki is change the description of how other people map. +1 (in the sense of

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-03 Thread SomeoneElse
Phil! Gold wrote: As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. That might not have the desired effect in all cases: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.068937lon=-4.077433zoom=18layers=C :-) Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-17 Thread SomeoneElse
Steve Bennett wrote: Consolidate, yes (drinking_water, drinkable = drinking_water). Migrate, no (drinking_water, drinkable = potable) Are there any examples of successful migrations in the recent past? highway=gate to barrier=gate is one, I think. Done initially without bots, just by

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-01 Thread SomeoneElse
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: On the other side of the spectrum is Potlach, which makes anything involving relations overly complicated. I've fixed my share of relation bugs, that I dare to say came from these poor editing capabilities. I've resurrected about half a dozen relations since

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-01 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Fairhurst wrote: *ahem* It's Llundain in one of Britain's two official languages. Two? You could make a case for both Irish and Ulster-Scots as well, based on the Anglo-Irish Agreement: http://www.nio.gov.uk/agreement.pdf :) ___

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread SomeoneElse
Serge Wroclawski wrote: How do you propose I tag it? Like this one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/31374891 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Philip Barnes wrote: Have just spotted this changeset whilst looking through changes near me? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12837424 Why has Ford been depreciated? It is the correct definition, and the word used on road signs. I can see the point of changing highway=ford on

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread SomeoneElse
Pieren wrote: If you specify the access for customers, then you have to do it for employees or visitors as well. Think about parkings or entrances in theatres, hotels, airports, supermarkets, malls, factories, hospitals, etc... Why? If I'm mapping a pub car park I want some way to say

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Vonwald wrote: How would you tag an open stable? landuse=open_stable? And how the feeding stations within the open stable? amenity=feeding_station? You might want to link to a picture of an example - as an English speaker I'm not sure exactly what an open_stable would be. Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] animal shelter

2012-09-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Alberto wrote: This isn't true: in Italy there are animal shelters that take lost animals but they have also some boxes to take pets from people who go on holiday. As in many other cases (e.g. pubs that are also restaurants and/or also hotels) as a mapper you have to pick the most

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Janko Mihelić wrote: Services are tagged like service:bicycle:repair=yes for shops that will repair your bike. Saying that implies that people actually use tags such as these. Taginfo suggests otherwise: shop=bicycle: 13,425 service:bicycle:repair: 758 I'm guessing that it's a fair bet that

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread SomeoneElse
To echo Sir Humphrey*, my first reaction was beautifully typed. My second reaction was as follows: What attempt has been made to get editor support for this proposal? Without it no-one, apart from the dwindling proportion voting on the wiki, will ever even have heard of it. Without editor

Re: [Tagging] Trail intersection markers

2012-09-24 Thread SomeoneElse
Lars Ahlzen wrote: Rendering these would be nice indeed, ... On the rendering front, doesn't Lonvia's hiking map render information=guidepost as part of a route? http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=9lat=42.45312lon=-72.28842route=1 http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/help/rendering Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?

2012-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
Philip Barnes wrote: Maize is a rarely used word in British English these days, you see corn on the cob sold in supermarkets, not maize. If I'm walking through a field of the stuff, in between the profanities, I'd definitely call it maize! Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread SomeoneElse
(resending as it got rejected the first time) A.Pirard.Papou wrote: I will certainly not manually enter 1000 entries in OpenStreetBugs just in hope. You could use their API: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/API_0.1 (read down to addPOIexec) But someone may know how to use

Re: [Tagging] Dispute concerning shrimp pond dikes

2013-01-22 Thread SomeoneElse
Philip Barnes wrote: What OS are you running? A fellow UK mapper was recently unable to revert using windows, however the reversion worked for me running on fedora linux. For completeness the error that I (the other UK mapper) was getting on that occasion was

Re: [Tagging] Processing the tags

2013-01-29 Thread SomeoneElse
A.Pirard.Papou wrote: I have successfully written programs processing our tags, but 'm stuck on this problem. Given a node number or a way number, typically a street, what are the HTTP queries to send, and what is the algorithm to process the replies, to determine the relation number of which

Re: [Tagging] source:maxspeed vs. maxspeed:type

2013-02-26 Thread SomeoneElse
If I remember correctly, the idea of using source:maxspeed for urban limits came from somewhere on continental Europe where there's a rule that if you're within the boundary of an urban place, the speed limit is automatically the urban limit rather than the national one, making it quite

Re: [Tagging] source:maxspeed vs. maxspeed:type

2013-02-26 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Mann wrote: My impression is that a lot of the source:maxspeed were added by a single user in an armchair edit. So its prevalence is not really an indicator of anything. You might be referring to the FIXME:nsl = inferred single-carriageway NSL - remove this tag once verified

Re: [Tagging] pk vs kp on *=milestone and default unit?

2013-05-16 Thread SomeoneElse
fly wrote: There was a ticket [1] filled on josm trac about milestones. Now I am a bit puzzled as the tag pk= seems to be Frensh and should be kp=* in English. This is even written in the wiki. Though the usage is 100:1 towards pk=*. Where (outside of OSM) is kp= used on a road distance

Re: [Tagging] foot=yes or bicycle=yes on track without other limitations?

2013-07-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Masi Master wrote: Hi, some mappers think, they have to set these access tags. Potlatch and iD have a select menue, which shout hey, please select foot bicycle are allowed. But I think this is not good! It is better to tag signs: bicycle=yes only if there is a bicycle free sign. Same with

Re: [Tagging] leisure=swimming_pool for the pool or the complex?

2013-07-22 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dswimming_pool I can't figure out. Is this tag for the actual wet area of a pool, or the fenced area of a pool facility? The page spends a lot of words about past controversy, but seems silent on this topic.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Open - toilets, toilets:disposal, pitlatrine

2013-07-24 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Something could be both inquiry and customer. Is there a better way? FWIW, it'd be enquiry not inquiry in English (rather than in American). Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Open - toilets, toilets:disposal, pitlatrine

2013-07-31 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Open for voting is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets Which includes toilets:position and toilets:disposal, to allow tagging of squat facilities and pitlatrines. Are you voting by amending people's tagging without survey? I'm

Re: [Tagging] Hiking tracks as POIs in Brazil

2013-08-11 Thread SomeoneElse
André Pirard wrote: The only thing I could find is indeed a guidepost like this experiment http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.53271mlon=5.63878#map=18/50.53271/5.63878layers=N, but often the guidepost is virtual. * information

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-19 Thread SomeoneElse
Tod Fitch wrote: Except that I think in the UK they might call it the verge so we might have a dialect issue. In the UK verge normally means a patch of grass at the side of a road, but if it's a paved area at the side of the motorway that's usually called the hard shoulder. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread SomeoneElse
Lukas Hornby wrote: In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in rare cases. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: taking into account that this is about a subdivison of landuse=allotments and not applotments it sounds reasonable to use lot ;-) I note the smiley, but FWIW they're a different root, apparently: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allot

Re: [Tagging] Which map supports complete bridge rendering

2013-10-01 Thread SomeoneElse
fly wrote: Can one of you suggest a site where I can see details like those you mention? As this list is about tagging you might want to ask your question also at talk@osm and/or local mailing lists for the areas. Sorry, I do not know one but maybe someone else. It might be worth asking on

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-01 Thread SomeoneElse
bredy wrote: None have other suggestion? And about the use of abandoned? Personally, if it doesn't exist any more (i.e. isn't signposted on the ground) I'd delete it. If something does exist, you might want to draw other mappers to its abandoned status somehow. Here's a route near me

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: The problem with disused: is the object disappears from the map. Leaving aside the which map? question, lots of things don't get rendered; it makes sense for a disused restaurant to NOT be rendered as a restaurant, since whatever it is, it's not currently somewhere where

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread SomeoneElse
Fernando Trebien wrote: Wouldn't the more generic disused=yes apply to this case? Rendering apps should support lifecycle tags and render them accordingly (though often then don't ... I think that you've answered your own question already :) ... and none would support this anyway).

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-07 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you should not use amenity and building on the same object Er, what? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element Cheers, Andy ___

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Jonathan wrote: I don't see any point in the bicycle=dismount tag, when there is a change in speed limit we don't tag car=slowdown! The only way to tag the effect that the sign has is to change the access tag to exclude bicycles. As I see it it's that simple. Here's an example:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I have no doubt that these situations occur, I was only pointing out that bicycle is not the right key to state anything about pushing a bike as this has nothing to do with cycling. What about the equivalent situation for horses?

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms local loops connections nodes

2013-11-21 Thread SomeoneElse
François Lacombe wrote: 2013/11/21 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com mailto:malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com No. Central Office (North American term) or [telephone]exchange (UK/Ireland term) usually implies the location of a switch as well as the MDF and line

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2013-11-26 Thread SomeoneElse
Janko Mihelić wrote: http://coinmap.org/ The video on there didn't mention adding a main tag at all when I watched it. the problem is that lots of online businesses want to get on the map, and I don't know what tags to suggest. Ignoring the online businesses, there are plenty of

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-05 Thread SomeoneElse
Axelos wrote: I proposed the tag shop=military_surplus for the shops selling used military equipment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Military_surplus If you think that it makes sense to tag a particular shop that way just go ahead and use it. You can use any tags you like. Taginfo

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-06 Thread SomeoneElse
Axelos wrote: The wiki is not intended to suggest tags to make homogeneous the database ? The wiki's an excellent place for documenting tag usage, but one of the things hugely in OSM's favour is that there's no enforced list of legal tags - if something has never been tagged before, or not

Re: [Tagging] Canal banks

2014-02-03 Thread SomeoneElse
Christoph Hormann wrote: And you forget 4.5 million natural=water without any water=* of which quite a lot could be riverbanks. Most of those will just be random imports though, won't they? Until someone even has a look at an aerial, it's difficult to say much about them. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - All You Can Eat

2014-02-14 Thread SomeoneElse
John Packer wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/All_you_can_eat What does taginfo suggest people are currently tagging places with an all you can eat option as? I'm not convinced that this necessarily needs a proposal... Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate all of the data in opening_hours into something that a computer can understand

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=boat_sharing

2014-03-03 Thread SomeoneElse
nounours77 wrote: Dear all, Just to remind you that the proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boat_sharing is still open for comments. If you think that it's an important thing to map, and it fulfills the usual criteria (e.g. verifiability), I'd just go and map it

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-04 Thread SomeoneElse
(and in case anyone's not aware) sulfur would be sulphur in British English. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select

2014-03-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO summer_holiday would be preferable because we should avoid abbreviations ... and people have already used the abbreviation SH for School Holidays (which I'd argue also ought not to be abbreviated for the same reason). Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Extended - amenity=boat_sharing

2014-03-29 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/03/2014 12:41, nounours77 wrote: As discussed in my earlier post, I think voting is important even for specific service tags to make them offical. Not really - OSM doesn't have official tags. It has commonly used ones, and people agree not to use the same tag to mean different things,

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread SomeoneElse
fly wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? Asking a slightly broader question, in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath,

Re: [Tagging] simple_brunnel : one node bridge like xing highway over waterway

2014-04-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/04/14 23:27, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/3/14 6:06 PM, Richard Z. wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Advanced_relationships http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer umm, the term only seems to appear here. google does not find any references to it. from this i have to assume

Re: [Tagging] shop for baby strollers only

2014-04-04 Thread SomeoneElse
André Riedel wrote: At the moment stroller is used for ramps or ways as access condition. But it's ambiguous, even in American. It's a noun meaning pushchair only in American; in both English AND American it means a person going for a walk. I can't comment on other English variants (AU,

Re: [Tagging] simple_brunnel : one node bridge like xing highway over waterway

2014-04-04 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Welty wrote: and if you are not sure about the extent of the structure or its nature there's no harm in nipping out a short section, setting layer=1 and skipping the other tagging (bridge=yes or whatever.) you have accurately represented what you know and maintained correct topology.

[Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread SomeoneElse
Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated?

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
André Pirard wrote: Hi, This is about OSM ticket https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5163: The rendering of highway=path and highway=track is barely distinguishable. Just my 2p, but personally I don't think that the rendering of highway=track and highway=path on the standard map are

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
André Pirard wrote: On 2014-05-19 18:35, SomeoneElse wrote : If you feel strongly about it why not knock up a rendering with more differentiation between track and path and invite people to compare with the current standard map? ¿¿¿ ¡¡¡ That is exactly what I did with showing OSM and IGN

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hi all, There are almost 8m highway=track objects in the database (thanks taginfo!), third only to =residential and =service (thanks TIGER!). I'm interested to know what level of access people believe this implies in their home countries. Here in the UK, for

[Tagging] byway vs track ( was: highway=track access )

2014-05-20 Thread SomeoneElse
Dave F. wrote: Going slightly off topic, I notice the UK listing is missing byway, a recognised highway classification. Dave F. Is there a notable physical difference between a byway in England and Wales and a track? Byway Open to All Traffic and Restricted Byway are both legal

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: (Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing this discussion back.) Too late! :) We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Dave F. wrote: I believe byway shouldn't be deprecated. In my area most of them are signed as just 'byway' on the ground. I think that it varies greatly by area. Some highway authorities use just Byway; some have more explicit signage; some in some cases none at all. I think many that

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-03 Thread SomeoneElse
Janko Mihelic' wrote: 2014-06-03 8:55 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com mailto:jcg.stu...@gmail.com: They're not necessarily service roads --- they don't have to lead to any premises at all; they're simply minor roads, usually unsealed. Then maybe: highway=unclassified +

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-05 Thread SomeoneElse
Greg Troxel wrote: I may be alone in thinking this, but I find the legal Right of Way notion to be critical, and an important distinction between highway=unclassified and highway=track or highway=service. Well, ish - but what's important is that all aspects that can be mapped (legal,

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