Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I hadn't looked at this proposal, having assumed it addressed day-care for the elderly, handicapped, or other adults. I'm not aware of anyone using the term regularly this way in British English. Before reaching school age the places kids go to tend to be one of the following Nursery, Pre-school, a child-minder. To my mind these are pretty much covered by the amenity=kindergarten tag. I would not think there is any mileage in OSM trying to identify childminders. Once kids reach school, facilities where they stay before being picked-up by their parents will (Imaginatively) be called after-school. The OSM convention is to use British, *not* American, English. You should therefore change this proposal to child_care (as described in the wiki page in your link). Particularly as the latter is much less ambiguous (the main reason why some American English terms have been used in tags e.g. sidewalk/pavement). I do think that day_care covering facilities for adults under a variety of categories (elderly, learning difficulties, health) would be useful, but this seems to warrant a different tag. I can immediately think of several places locally which I haven't added to OSM for want of a tag. Jerry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
Am 22.04.2011 03:25, schrieb Brad Neuhauser: adult day care might be taken care of by social_facility=outreach? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility I would say even child_care and kindergardens fit under this key. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
2011/4/21 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare I agree that this is a feature we want to have, but I don't think there should be rendering suggestions in the feature description, and I can't agree that this belongs to the same group as amenity=university, but as that's not crucial to your proposal you could simply delete this from the description. If you wanted to enhance the proposal you could add suggested subtags for different type of daycare institutions (operator is surely one, but there could also be standard machinereadable categories like public, private, religious operator). You could also expand on the envisaged group of children that can go there (age group), and on the services they offer. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
You say: A place for children to do homework, play and spend time otherwise after school. The after school part is inaccurate as day care centers are often a place children go to during the day while their parents work. Some other considerations: - Type: - centers: larger in size, with multiple employees caring for a larger number of children. - home-based: an individual watching children in their own home. - Frequency of care offered: Full-time (ie children attend every day on fixed schedule), part-time (ie less than full-time), before and after school (as a service to working parents whom leave for work and arrive home from work before and after the regular public school day) - The existing opening_hours tag is useful information that someone could specify for a daycare. - Age ranges are important (ie some care for only school age children, where others specialize in pre-school, infants, etc). On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Flaimo fla...@gmail.com wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare day care is a very vague and ambiguous term. I assumed it referred to care of elderly or disabled people etc. As the proposal seems it refers to specifically child care, it would be better to specify that in the tag name. So amenity=child_care or something. Also, it needs to clarify how this is different from amenity=kindergarten. Is it just for after-school care / care of school-age children? Craig ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
On 4/21/11 7:46 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare day care is a very vague and ambiguous term. I assumed it referred to care of elderly or disabled people etc. As the proposal seems it refers to specifically child care, it would be better to specify that in the tag name. So amenity=child_care or something. Also, it needs to clarify how this is different from amenity=kindergarten. Is it just for after-school care / care of school-age children? typically, day care for children in the US can start with infants, and kindergarden is usually a single year for 5 year olds between day care and primary school. kindergarden might be offered by a daycare for their oldest children, or by primary schools for children who will be attending 1st grade. there are also day cares for adults/disabled in the US, which probably could be factored in. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
adult day care might be taken care of by social_facility=outreach? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 4/21/11 7:46 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare day care is a very vague and ambiguous term. I assumed it referred to care of elderly or disabled people etc. As the proposal seems it refers to specifically child care, it would be better to specify that in the tag name. So amenity=child_care or something. Also, it needs to clarify how this is different from amenity=kindergarten. Is it just for after-school care / care of school-age children? typically, day care for children in the US can start with infants, and kindergarden is usually a single year for 5 year olds between day care and primary school. kindergarden might be offered by a daycare for their oldest children, or by primary schools for children who will be attending 1st grade. there are also day cares for adults/disabled in the US, which probably could be factored in. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare
The problem with social_facility=outreach, even if you also use social_facility:for=senior, is that it doesn't specify which of the many types of services are available. Subtags for such things as adult daycare would also be useful. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare From :mailto:brad.neuhau...@gmail.com Date :Thu Apr 21 20:25:26 America/Chicago 2011 adult day care might be taken care of by social_facility=outreach? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 4/21/11 7:46 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 21/04/2011 16 tel:21%2F04%2F2011%2016 :13, Flaimo wrote: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare more information on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daycare day care is a very vague and ambiguous term. I assumed it referred to care of elderly or disabled people etc. As the proposal seems it refers to specifically child care, it would be better to specify that in the tag name. So amenity=child_care or something. Also, it needs to clarify how this is different from amenity=kindergarten. Is it just for after-school care / care of school-age children? typically, day care for children in the US can start with infants, and kindergarden is usually a single year for 5 year olds between day care and primary school. kindergarden might be offered by a daycare for their oldest children, or by primary schools for children who will be attending 1st grade. there are also day cares for adults/disabled in the US, which probably could be factored in. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
