Re: [Talk-si] Dovoljenje za uvoz meje

2009-08-28 Thread Miha
Tole je bilo danes objavljeno na globalni Talk list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-August/041220.html Mogoce lahko kdo od akterjev odgovori in se pohvali z dosezkom. LP, Miha. 2009/8/28 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net Oznake so zadaj bistveno boljše, dodatno sem označil le

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net: No, Roy wants to tag the semantics of the stop-sign. If this really simplifies the task of the data consumers, it's all the better. It seems the problem Roy is trying to solve is to seperate lanes out, of a dual direction way by use of a

Re: [OSM-talk] my flag is not showing on the green

2009-08-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 28 Aug 2009 12:08:37 am Jon Burgess wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 16:29 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: Parameter name=tableselect node from planet_osm_point where golf='green' as golfmarkers/Parameter Try: select way,golf from planet_osm_point where golf='green' as

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:18 PM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net: No, Roy wants to tag the semantics of the stop-sign. If this really simplifies the task of the data consumers, it's all the better. It seems the problem Roy is

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: So what are you proposing? How should we tag stop signs? To me, it seems you are suggesting that stop signs should *only* be tagged on ways that are oneway=yes. What are you proposing? Nothing of the sort. We really don't seem to be on the same

[OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Ok, I understand. Do you have any antibiotics? If have an answer or not doesn't matter, the OSM community is more than the sum of it's parts and some people may already have experience with other systems that do do this already and may be able to

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: This does bring up a few more combinations that are not currently covered. I've had a couple of runs over to Milton Keynes in the last couple of days, and GETTING into the correct lane even to go straight on can be a problem, with the outside lane of

[OSM-talk] dissapearing country border

2009-08-28 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I'm from Croatia and I have seen something strange when looking at borders. If you look at this map you will clearly see borders: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.2lon=16.51zoom=7layers=B000FTF But if you zoom in or out the borders start to dissapear, especially between Slovenia and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

2009-08-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
Andrew MacKinnon wrote: This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign such as a stop sign. It lacks an example where this complex modelling would even be necessary. In all examples mentioned so far, a node

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: I actually think it leaves things in slightly better shape - like me tagging a post box outside, or tagging my addr:housenumber. Sure, it's I'm not talking about post boxes or house addressing schemes, I'm talking about being able to tag lanes on a

[OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
More diary spam: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariann/diary/7691 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
Sorry for thinking out loud but here we go. A Way can have many lanes, Infact the default is lanes=2 (or is it?) oneway=yes infers lanes=1 lanes can be used for many purposes including turning, parking, walking cycling. Lanes need names I guess partially if we all going to use them to describe

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:21 PM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Ok, I understand. Do you have any antibiotics? If have an answer or not doesn't matter, the OSM community is more than the sum of it's parts and some people may already

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: A Way can have many lanes, Infact the default is lanes=2 (or is it?) oneway=yes infers lanes=1 Seems like a sane assumption. A Lane may need to be in a relation etc. The way would be the relation, and the properties of the way should cascade to the

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 27/08/2009, at 9:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd say the only thing you know for sure is that the source is unknown unless it is explicitly tagged. I wouldn't assume anything besides that. There are people who don't upload their traces (i personally always do) and who have all rights

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: Actually no, you can still tag stop signs on a way like people always have, then when lanes get sorted out they can be dealt with properly. I believe that stop signs have usually nothing to do with lanes (though there probably are exceptions). They apply to everyone travelling

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: I believe that stop signs have usually nothing to do with lanes (though there probably are exceptions). They apply to everyone travelling into a certain direction, no matter on what lane. This becomes apparent in streets where there are no distinct

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: If someone doesn't upload their trace _and_ doesn't add a source tag, then I'll assume that my GPS trace is more accurate than whatever they used. I think that's fair, because all someone has to do if they have an accurate way is let other mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Thomas Wood
Accounts spamming are banned. They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. 2009/8/28 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: More diary spam: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariann/diary/7691 ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: Accounts spamming are banned. They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. Why not make use of crowd sourcing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Tom Hughes
On 28/08/09 09:24, John Smith wrote: 2009/8/28 Thomas Woodgrand.edgemas...@gmail.com: Accounts spamming are banned. They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. Why not make use of crowd sourcing? What do you mean exactly? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: What do you mean exactly? Well if enough people can tag a post as spam it would effectively disappear from the site to be reviewed and/or deleted, maybe you could have a more extensive rating system, don't know, but this would allow native speakers of

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dlock_gate Shows to tag both ends of the lock. If there is a name just to use name. This was the original tag. However, it has various problems - for example, it makes it hard to render a lock as a single

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Tom Hughes
On 28/08/09 09:39, John Smith wrote: 2009/8/28 Tom Hughest...@compton.nu: What do you mean exactly? Well if enough people can tag a post as spam it would effectively disappear from the site to be reviewed and/or deleted, maybe you could have a more extensive rating system, don't know, but

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 27/08/09 14:27, Mike Harris wrote: On a related canal issue, I have a problem with deciding how to tag a canal bridge as a segment of a way. The way will often already have name= and ref= tags as a highway; but I want to add a name= and ref= tag for the canal bridge. Not keen on name_1 or

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 26/08/09 21:42, Mikel Maron wrote: IMO, the wiki should reflect the current collective thinking. If the collective thinking is in disagreement, then the wiki should show both sides, equally, with _respectful_ disagreement. If, however many years after starting the project, we are in

[OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball Cheers, Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] dissapearing country border

2009-08-28 Thread Matthias Versen
Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I'm from Croatia and I have seen something strange when looking at borders. If you look at this map you will clearly see borders: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.2lon=16.51zoom=7layers=B000FTF But if you zoom in or out the borders start to dissapear, especially

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Craig Wallace
On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball Cheers, Valent. I'd tag it something like

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/28/2009 03:46 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: If dieterdriest has found a number of people who've been ignoring the definition, Nobody (that I know of) has been ignoring the definition. It's just that the definitions didn't match the top-leveldescription. *None* of the definitions of the

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 28/08/2009, at 9:23 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 08/28/2009 03:46 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: If dieterdriest has found a number of people who've been ignoring the definition, Nobody (that I know of) has been ignoring the definition. It's just that the definitions didn't match the

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I second option that highway tag isn't used for physical purposes. Physical status of road *can* define it's importance (legal or subjective), and I think there is where disagreement is. More or less comon practice is to follow some kind of rules/laws when tagging roads. But it is also clear that

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Micha Ruh gnub...@gmail.com: All, please note that 'Dieterdreist' (german) translates to 'brazen Dieter' / 'uppity Dieter'. My vote got deleted by him _without any notice_. *** ** ** ***!

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread wynndale
On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: lock=yes lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=. Why would you want to repeat the name of a canal on its individual nodes? Isn’t that

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. But that is tagging for the renderer

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/8/28 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? People have been using natural=sand to tag golf

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
2009/8/28 wynnd...@lavabit.com: On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: lock=yes lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=. Why would you want to repeat the name of a canal

[OSM-talk] Update on using Translatewiki for translations

2009-08-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: I'm splitting this from the previous thread. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Potlatch uses the OSM wiki for localisation. I have no plans to change this in favour of

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Childs wrote: The Canal way will need to be split at the lock gates, (or in some cases where a diversion starts (due to some rivers going over weirs) while there is a lock for boats. (UK-specific tagging stuff follows) Ideally I'd like to discourage people from using a (non-closed)

[OSM-talk] unsubscribe

2009-08-28 Thread Vermoesen Koen
unsubscribe Dit elektronisch bericht en zijn bijlagen zijn vertrouwelijk en bedoeld voor exclusief gebruik door degenen die door de zender als geadresseerd zijn bedoeld. Het bericht en zijn bijlagen kunnen informatie bevatten voor beperkt gebruik of onderworpen aan copyright of andere

[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Nick Black
Hello, Here's an update on the current state of the local chapters working group: *Local Chapters Agreement* The debate around the details of setting up local chapters is happening on the local chapters wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters and its discussion

[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Miller
On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:49, Nick Black wrote: Hello, snip *Next Meeting of the Local Chapters Group* The local chapters working group will meet at 6pm BST on Weds 30th September to discuss these issues and others. The agenda of the meeting is: * What is the process for creating

Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/29 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: As agreed in an earlier thread on talk [1] can we have an email list for this subject. How about talk-local? Can we have it now! +100 Why are people being excluded from these decisions when I've repeatedly told/emailed you that 6pm BST is

[OSM-talk] Canada Chapter

2009-08-28 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, On the talk-ca list it's still in the works (i put forward the idea, but no responses yet). Once the Canada Import is done... that'll be a BIG difference in Map quality. :-) But anyway, being a local foundation might let us work closer with Natural Resource Canada, and with Non-profits and

Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Nick Black
Peter, John + list, Not sure where the details of payment have gone - I'll try to take a look at the history over the weekend, but I might not get the chance. The info is definitely on the wiki discussion page, which seemed a good place to hold the contentious issues. Totally agree regarding a

[OSM-talk] OSM in Wired

2009-08-28 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
OSM is featured in Wired Magazine today: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/gps-hackers/ Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
2009/8/28 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Peter Childs wrote: The Canal way will need to be split at the lock gates, (or in some cases where a diversion starts (due to some rivers going over weirs) while there is a lock for boats. (UK-specific tagging stuff follows) Ideally I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very common to play futevôlei (footvolley, volley played with the foot, not with the hand) in the volleyball pitches. :) Cheers, 2009/8/28 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com I'd tag it something like this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Matt Williams
2009/8/28 Arlindo Pereira nig...@nighto.net: Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very common to play futevôlei (footvolley, volley played with the foot, not with the hand) in the volleyball pitches. Indeed. However, in most cases they *are* (beach) volleyball

[OSM-talk] Trace type

2009-08-28 Thread Tomas Straupis
Hello During a meeting of Lithuanian mappers we raised an idea, that it would be useful to have type of track recorded along access/security details. That is currently you only specify how your traces can be accessed (public, private, intermediary). It would be nice to be able specify how were

Re: [OSM-talk] Trace type

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com:  This could later be used in editors to use different colours for different types of traces. This way we would rather approximate street track along motorcar traces (if available) rather than foot-traces done walking alongside the street. in

[OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-28 Thread Pieren
Hi, I would really appreciate if the JOSM presets dictators could remove the option about motorcar in the JOSM presets dialog. We get on the french ML more and more complains about the confusion between unclassified, tracks, footway, path, etc. If in addition, the JOSM presets about highway=path

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread Cosmic Charade
could be the Java implementation on my installation. I don't mind terribly much - I can use my desktop PC if I need to - but I just like the idea of live GPS trackign and POI tagging (if this is possible). For example - miss a traffic light and pop it on the map or whatever - or a road

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread Cosmic Charade
how much better? I have heard kernel tuning can make a substantial difference... Maybe this is worth considering for the netbook - but I hear Debian is very conservative and slow to update with new applications? And would the eeePC branch work on an MSI Wind? Their basically identical as

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Cosmic Charade cosmichar...@gmail.com: could be the Java implementation on my installation.  I don't mind terribly much - I can use my desktop PC if I need to - but I just like the idea of live GPS trackign and POI tagging (if this is possible).  For example - miss a traffic light

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Cosmic Charade cosmichar...@gmail.com: how much better? I can't really make comparisions because I didn't use a stock kernel, however some sites I read while installing said there was gains to be had so I took that option :) I have heard kernel tuning can make a substantial

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: I develop a commercial surveying package for powerline design and of course use Qt, it is ideal for low power CPU's in the field with almost all of my customers using a panasonic toughbook which is quite slow but can last a whole day in the field,

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: I had an eee701 and would beg to differ on the screen readability, but LCD 's have been improving at about the same rate that my eyes are failing! (lenses getting thicker) Yea well I have so far had the good fortune of not needing glasses or other optical

Re: [talk-au] More on highway shields

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
I've been thinking about the network=* tag when it comes to alphanumeric numbering, I'm starting to think this shouldn't be added in the alphanumeric numbering case, but should be used where a non-alphanumeric system is used, eg NR, NH, MR, DR. Does this sound sane to anyone else?

[talk-au] Hey from a newbie!

2009-08-28 Thread Jason Oakley
Hi everyone! I downloaded the MotionsX GPS app for my iPhone. I'd like to help out by doing my home town and nearby small towns which don't seem to be on OSM as yet. I visit about once every 1-2 months so can update over time. Has anyone written a HowTo for iPhones? I think that'd be cool to

[talk-au] More on highway shields

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
Travelling about the other day I noticed 'DR' on some QLD signs, NSW uses Dnumber, and here I was thinking the states were supposed to be unifying road rules and signage. I added a note about this to the aussie tagging guidelines. ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Highway page and Aus tagging guidelines page is inconsistent

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 16/08/2009, at 12:17 PM, Liz wrote: While looking at the wiki page describing the highway tag[0] recently, I noticed that the Australian entry in International Equivalence doesn't match what is on the Australian Tagging Guidelines page, and what actually gets mapped. I used to get

Re: [talk-au] Hey from a newbie!

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Ross
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jason Oakleywau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I downloaded the MotionsX GPS app for my iPhone. I'd like to help out by doing my home town and nearby small towns which don't seem to be on OSM as yet. I visit about once every 1-2 months so can update over

Re: [talk-au] Hey from a newbie!

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/29 Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com: After it's uploaded use JOSM, potlatch or merkatoor to consume the gpx file and turn it into OSM artifcats. The problem with doing this is you loose timing information, which I find useful for some things to show speed in different colours.

Re: [Talk-de] planet files etc auspacken - probelm

2009-08-28 Thread Christoph Wagner
Gary68 schrieb: :-) naja, tage dauert es nicht. und das planet will ich auch nicht wirklich auspacken, aber doch mit einer perl lib lesen. und eben das geht nicht. und das auspacken kann geschwindigkeitsvorteile bringen, wenn ich die datei mehrfach verwende. plattenplatz vorausgesetzt.

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 28. August 2009 01:20 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Martin Simon schrieb: Das will ja auch keiner. Wo in meiner Mail liest du das? Wo habe ich behauptet dass Du das geschrieben hast? Es wäre - frühzeitig berücksichtigt-ein geeigneter Weg die OSM typischen Probleme zu lösen in dem man

[Talk-de] OT: neue Unit Software für eTrex Legen d HCx, Ver. 3.10

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Habe ich gerade auf der Homepage gesehen [1]. Hat es ein Linux-User unter Linux hinbekommen das (oder ein anderes) Update einzuspielen? Mit wine ist es mit nicht gelungen. Es gibt auch ein Update der FW des GPS-Empfängers auf 2.90, aber nur über den WebUpdater [2], keine separate Datei zum

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 28. August 2009 07:42 schrieb Adiac teamad...@gmx.de: ... indem man es nicht taggt - meine Meinung. Analog zu OSM erwartest Du von der StVO das an jedem Ortsschild auch ein 50er Schild hängt und auf der anderen Seite das 100er? Das Ortsschild trägt diese Aussage schon in sich... dafür muss

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 10:21:12 schrieb Martin Simon: Das Ortsschild trägt diese Aussage schon in sich... dafür muss keine Zahl draufstehen - die steht halt in der StVO und an den Schildern an der Staatsgrenze. ;-) Dann brauchen wir es ja nicht zu taggen. Das halte ich für eher

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 10:21:12 schrieb Martin Simon: Das halte ich für eher unwahrscheinlich dass jemand aufbricht um gemappte Straßen zu mappen nur weil die kein maxspeed haben. Bereits mehrmals durchgeführt. Brachte in meiner Stadt eine enorme Verbesserung des routings. Interesse

Re: [Talk-de] maxspeed update (was: re: Umgehung sstraße vs. Landstraße)

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 27. August 2009 16:30 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Nun hat es mich doch in den Fingern gejuckt. Also: Werte für maxspeed und meine vorgeschlagene Ersetzung (sollen wir einen Bot machen?) : Hi! Ich hätte nichts gegen einen _vorsichtigen_ Bot in einem begrenzten Gebiet

Re: [Talk-de] maxspeed update

2009-08-28 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Martin Simon schrieb: Nun hat es mich doch in den Fingern gejuckt. Also: Werte für maxspeed und meine vorgeschlagene Ersetzung (sollen wir einen Bot machen?) : Ich hätte nichts gegen einen _vorsichtigen_ Bot in einem begrenzten Gebiet nach abstimmung über Liste und Forum, aber bei dingen

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Mirko Küster
... indem man es nicht taggt - meine Meinung. Analog zu OSM erwartest Du von der StVO das an jedem Ortsschild auch ein 50er Schild hängt und auf der anderen Seite das 100er? Karten haben die Aufgabe mir in Gebieten wo ich mich nicht auskenne zu zeigen was mich da erwartet. Wenn ich direkt vor

Re: [Talk-de] planet files etc auspacken - probelm

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Körner
Gary68 schrieb: :-) naja, tage dauert es nicht. und das planet will ich auch nicht wirklich auspacken, aber doch mit einer perl lib lesen. und eben das geht nicht. Du kannst doch bestimmt mit Perl von STDIN lesen und mit bzcat dorthin pipen. und das auspacken kann geschwindigkeitsvorteile

Re: [Talk-de] planet files etc auspacken - probelm

2009-08-28 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Peter Körner schrieb: Man kann übrigens sogar den Download noch mit inlinen: wget -O - -q http://planet.openstretmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2 | bzcat | less Yepp, wobei man unter Windows dafür die cygwin Tools nutzen sollte. Die nativen wget.exe, die ich probiert hatte, haben bei

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 12:01:34 schrieb Mirko Küster: Karten haben die Aufgabe mir in Gebieten wo ich mich nicht auskenne zu zeigen was mich da erwartet. In welcher Karte steht, dass in dem Ort wo Du hinwillst 50 ist? Wofür auch? Ändert das was? Wenn ich direkt vor Ort bin dann dann sehe

[Talk-de] Worldfile vom 26.8.09

2009-08-28 Thread Carsten Schwede
Hallo, rechtzeitig zum Wochenende ncoh die neuen Daten vom 26.8.09 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] OSMdoc.com - Update

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Krückel
Lars Francke schrieb: Ah... OAuth ist seit einer Woche für OpenStreetMap verfügbar, du kannst der erste sein, der es nutzt :-) ...mist. Ich wollte doch eigentlich ins Bett :( Aber vielen Dank für den Hinweis! Nicht, dass ich mich nicht darüber freue aber woher zur Hoelle erfahre

Re: [Talk-de] planet files etc auspacken - probelm

2009-08-28 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Peter Körner schrieb: wget -O - -q http://planet.openstretmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2 | bzcat | less WTF, ehrlich? Genial. Super. Verdammt, die Linux-Welt hat doch ein paar schöne Dinge :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Mirko Küster
In welcher Karte steht, dass in dem Ort wo Du hinwillst 50 ist? Wofür auch? Ändert das was? OSM ist ja keine Karte sondern eine Datensammlung. Und aus der lassen lässt sich vieles auswerten. So auch Routinganwendungen. Und um geeignete Wege und Fahrtzeiten zu berechnen, ist die ermittlung

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 28. August 2009 11:09 schrieb Adiac teamad...@gmx.de: Am Freitag 28 August 2009 10:21:12 schrieb Martin Simon: Das Ortsschild trägt diese Aussage schon in sich... dafür muss keine Zahl draufstehen - die steht halt in der StVO und an den Schildern an der Staatsgrenze. ;-) Dann brauchen wir

Re: [Talk-de] planet files etc auspacken - probelm

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 13:19:12 schrieb Tobias Wendorff: Peter Körner schrieb: wget -O - -q http://planet.openstretmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2 | bzcat | less WTF, ehrlich? Genial. Super. Verdammt, die Linux-Welt hat doch ein paar schöne Dinge :-) Boah ey!! EIN PAAR?? Jetz abba :D

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 28. August 2009 12:01 schrieb Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de: 19 Wasserwirtschaftliche Einrichtungen Hallo Mirko! Hast du ein vernünftiges Schema, um die wasserwirtschaftlichen Einrichtungen zu taggen? Ist das an mir vorüber gegangen? Ich ärgere mich hin und wieder, wenn ich diese

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Donnerstag, 27. August 2009 schrieb Marc Schütz: Es gibt viele diskussionswürdige Ansätze, aber es absichtlich *wegzulassen* wäre wirklich dumm. Die Verfechter von kein maxspeed=50 können das jederzeit durch ihren bevorzugten Tag des Tages ersetzen, aber so lange keine

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-28 Thread Guenther Meyer
aeroway=runway war nie für Modellflugplatz-Wiesen gedacht, sondern für Landebahnen. sagt wer? eine wiese ist aber auch eine landebahn, eben fuer modell- oder kleinflugzeuge. irgendwo im kongo ist eine fuer dortige verhaeltnisse richtige landebahn vielleicht nur eine schotterpiste, so what...

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:19:06 +0200 Von: Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße OSM ist ja keine Karte sondern eine Datensammlung.

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Garry
Adiac schrieb: Am Freitag 28 August 2009 01:37:53 schrieb Garry: Hab’ ich das richtig verstanden, dass alle Ortsstraßen mit maxspeed=50 (wenn denn nicht anders angegeben) getaggt werden sollen? Natürlich nur die auf denen auch 50 gefahren werden darf - in z.B. 30er Zonen wo auch

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Garry
Adiac schrieb: indem man gleich Maxspeed einfach durchgehend taggt. -1 ... indem man es nicht taggt - meine Meinung. Analog zu OSM erwartest Du von der StVO das an jedem Ortsschild auch ein 50er Schild hängt und auf der anderen Seite das 100er? Der Hintergrund ist der, dass man

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. August 2009 13:32 schrieb Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: aeroway=runway war nie für Modellflugplatz-Wiesen gedacht, sondern für Landebahnen. sagt wer? eine wiese ist aber auch eine landebahn, eben fuer modell- oder kleinflugzeuge. irgendwo im kongo ist eine fuer dortige

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Simon
Am 28. August 2009 11:11 schrieb Adiac teamad...@gmx.de: Am Freitag 28 August 2009 10:21:12 schrieb Martin Simon: Das halte ich für eher unwahrscheinlich dass jemand aufbricht um gemappte Straßen zu mappen nur weil die kein maxspeed haben. Bereits mehrmals durchgeführt. Brachte in meiner

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 13:22:10 schrieb Martin Simon: Du kennst also einen Ort, um diese Information zuverlässig zu hinterlegen? Leider nein. Die Fläche der Ortschaft fände ich gut. Und viel schwieriger: eine Methode, zuverlässig den innerörtlichen Bereich zu bestimmen. dito Das halte

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Krückel
Sven Anders schrieb: Am Saturday 22 August 2009 20:47:05 schrieb Jonas Krückel: Hi, seit heute gibt es Walking Papers in deutscher Sprache. Details zur Meldung von Fehlern und Verbesserungsvorschlägen findet ihr oben neben den Links zu den einzelnen Sprachen. Manche Texte sind bestimmt

Re: [Talk-de] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-28 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Moin Johann, please take a look at, contribute and fwd. to your local lists: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_key_voting_importance Ich tagge nach wie vor gern das was ich sehe, wenn ich mir die Straße anschaue. Die Bedeutung/Funktion können andere dann über eine darübergelegte

Re: [Talk-de] OSMdoc.com - Update

2009-08-28 Thread Lars Francke
Normalerweise gibt es auf einer der unzähligen OSM-Mailinglisten eine Ankündigung, meist dev oder osm-talk. Ansonsten steht es natürlich auf der Wikiseite, die in diesem Fall jedoch von mir erst gestern angepasst wurde. Erfahren habe ich es über die SVN-Logs und hab dann nochmal im osm dev

Re: [Talk-de] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-28 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:59:36 +0200 Von: Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: please take a look at, contribute and

Re: [Talk-de] OSMdoc.com - Update

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Krückel
Lars Francke schrieb: Normalerweise gibt es auf einer der unzähligen OSM-Mailinglisten eine Ankündigung, meist dev oder osm-talk. Ansonsten steht es natürlich auf der Wikiseite, die in diesem Fall jedoch von mir erst gestern angepasst wurde. Erfahren habe ich es über die SVN-Logs und hab dann

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-28 Thread Adiac
Am Freitag 28 August 2009 13:19:06 schrieb Mirko Küster: Ohne verlässliche Daten kann keine vernünftige Berechnung zustande kommen. +1 Wenn ich das vor start weiß dann kann ich die 70 aber schon einplanen und entsprechend in die Berechnung mit einfließen lassen. Wenn das eine längere 70

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