Re: [Talk-hr] i-gotU GT200 GPS na Fedori

2009-12-12 Thread Tomislav Parčina
Valent Turkovic kaže: Iako duze vrijeme imam i koristim i-gotU gt200 tek sam sada uhvatio vremena napraviti upute kako koristiti igotu2gpx alate na Fedori. Kost je napravio i ubuntu paket... probat cu ugurati ovaj paket u Fedora pozozitorije a do tada evo malo bezobrazne samopromocije ;)

Re: [Talk-hr] i-gotU GT200 GPS na Fedori

2009-12-12 Thread Vlatko Kosturjak
Tomislav Parčina wrote: Vidio sam na stranicama da je implementirano sljedeće: - GPX export of tracks and waypoints - clearing the memory of the GPS tracker - display of the GPS tracker configuration - dump of the internal flash memory Da li to znači da se trenutno i-gotU, pod Linuxom, ne

Re: [Talk-hr] i-gotU GT200 GPS na Fedori

2009-12-12 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:32:09 +0100, Tomislav Parčina wrote: Da li to znači da se trenutno i-gotU, pod Linuxom, ne može koristiti za navigaciju? To su samo funkcije softvera za manipulaciju gpx logova u internoj memoriji igotu-a, za navigaciju ti je to potpuno nebitno. IGotU se ponasa kao

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL Enforcement (Re: OBbL and forks)

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, James Livingston wrote: Which brings us on to enforcement - at some point a user is going to use ODbL licensed data, not comply with the licence, and not respond to asking nicely. Who is going to sue them to enforce the ODbL and for what? I am certainly not going to sue anybody. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL Enforcement (Re: OBbL and forks)

2009-12-12 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/12/09 11:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: but even with ODbL in place and considering the best interests of the project as a whole, for me it would be perfectly sufficient to be able to say publicly that X is using OSM illegally. Rather than naming and shaming, the FSF and the SFLC always

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL Enforcement (Re: OBbL and forks)

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Rob Myers wrote: Rather than naming and shaming, the FSF and the SFLC always work quietly to get compliance from people who break the GPL. They don't call them out in public or drag their asses to court to make an example of them. Legal action and the publicity that brings is a last

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, OdbL has this requirement where, if you publish a produced work based on a derived database, you also have to publish either (a) the derived database or (b) a diff allowing someone to arrive at the derived database if he has the original, publicly available database or (c) an algorithm

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL Enforcement (Re: OBbL and forks)

2009-12-12 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/12/09 12:27, Frederik Ramm wrote: Agreed, although this of course requires determined and capable people to do the work. If there are such people in OSM who do that voluntarily then that's good. If there are no such people then I would object to spending money to hire them from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread 80n
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, OdbL has this requirement where, if you publish a produced work based on a derived database, you also have to publish either (a) the derived database or (b) a diff allowing someone to arrive at the derived

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi,    OdbL has this requirement where, if you publish a produced work based on a derived database, you also have to publish either (a) the derived database or (b) a diff allowing someone to arrive at the derived

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On what basis can you demand from company B that they release their intermediate database?  You don't know (for sure) that they have an intermediate database.  The ODbL doesn't give you any rights to ask company A to warrant that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread 80n
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On what basis can you demand from company B that they release their intermediate database? You don't know (for sure) that they have an intermediate database.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread 80n
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:30 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of duck test

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:20 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:30 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: a lack of attribution is evident, but whether they're using OSM data isn't. you have no grounds for suspicion, but you might have a gut instinct. what do you do?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread 80n
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: a lack of attribution is evident, but whether they're using OSM data isn't. you have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: let's assume it's known that this company is definitely using OSM data - determining that can be difficult, depending on exactly what it is they're doing with the data. in general, it's very difficult to do anything directly from the planet file alone, so i'd suspect that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: I think you've lost the thread. Now, you are arguing that you can't spot a derivative database. My original question was aiming at whether or not there are ways to weasel yourself out of the requirement release derivative databases or the algorithms leading to them. I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think we have now established that whenever you do something with OSM data that involves a derivative database, but just to make things simpler for you and not as an absolutely necessary component, then nobody can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Where does one draw the line between a Derivative Database, a Collective Database, and a Produced Work anyway? Can a Produced Work also be a Derivative Database? If not, which definition overrides the other? An image qualifies

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: Where does one draw the line between a Derivative Database, a Collective Database, and a Produced Work anyway? Part of the answer is, in almost salomonic fashion, here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Produced_Work_-_Guideline There's also tons of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:45 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: are there easter eggs in OSM? i thought we followed the on the ground rule? ;-) The two are not mutually exclusive.  Ordnance Survey are well known for having

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: How obscure/inaccessible can published algorithms be?

2009-12-12 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:45 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: are there easter eggs in OSM? i thought we followed the on the ground rule? ;-)

Re: [OSM-talk] indic fonts in mapnik, JOSM and Potlatch

2009-12-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I have been searching for a way to render indic fonts in OSM/mapnik for some months and have posted here and elsewhere without result. Today I discovered something called GNU unifont which has glyphs for all known languages. Apparently this is used in the official

Re: [OSM-talk] Replacing Google with OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Dec 2009, at 11:42, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 11 de Diciembre de 2009, Steve Chilton escribió: A little while ago I saw a note somewhere about some neat code to replace Google maps with OSM in a web application. I think you mean either the osmify bookmarklet:

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
Anthony, I realise no analogy is perfect. In this case a problem is that if somebody breaks into the OSM data, he is not depriving the previous owners of it. And it is an Open street map after all - we're *inviting* people into the house! By the way I'm not sure why Copyright law is the big

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
The momentum within Australian Governments is now to foster an environment of 99% free with 99% coverage. Best of both worlds, but requires a shift to CCBY thinking. On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:56:12 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-12 Thread Shalabh
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.auwrote: Anthony, I realise no analogy is perfect. In this case a problem is that if somebody breaks into the OSM data, he is not depriving the previous owners of it. And it is an Open street map after all - we're *inviting*

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
Arc would make a certain amount of sense since the design of the built environment (e.g. road construction) is basically broken down into segments of lines, arcs and spirals (i.e. the transition from straight to curved sections). But then all associated tools would have to start acting like

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
If the intent of OSM is to represent the centerline of a road as accurately as possible (and presumably other land features too) then this is another reason to consider dropping the SA requirement - or dual licencing or dual databases or being able to assign a licence per-object. Australian

[OSM-talk] Measuring success of OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
In the interests of healthy debate, I disagree with some of the sentiments around imports. In particular that imports reduce the amount of OSM contributors, and that that is a Bad Thing. IMHO success should be measured by the accuracy of the data (to reality) and to the pervasiveness of its

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
I just assumed street maps was its original purpose that it outgrew as it became more popular. However, there's great value in having everything with a position on the Earth in the one true geofabric. Assuming the OSMF is happy to have the database be populated with said objects. I'm sure

Re: [OSM-talk] A table of cross-renderer tag support

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, I'm on a roll now, I added Kosmos to the table. There are now three renderers (Mapnik, Osmarender and Kosmos) and one editor (Josm) represented. Starting to have some big problems storing the complete (500kb) table though. The wiki is timing out. I've now converted it to wikitable syntax

Re: [OSM-talk] Measuring success of OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Gregory Williams
-Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Brendan Morley Sent: 12 December 2009 14:03 To: Talk OSM Subject: [OSM-talk] Measuring success of OSM In the interests of healthy debate, I disagree with some of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Replacing Google with OSM

2009-12-12 Thread John McKerrell
On 12 Dec 2009, at 09:08, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 11 Dec 2009, at 11:42, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 11 de Diciembre de 2009, Steve Chilton escribió: A little while ago I saw a note somewhere about some neat code to replace Google maps with OSM in a web application. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/11 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: Ok, heres a question I have been meaning to ask for long. What is the big deal if the big, bad G takes a chunk of data from OSM and uses it? Do I care? No. If anything, I would be happy that we created something worthy to be used by a corporation. As

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Shalabh
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:18 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/11 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: Ok, heres a question I have been meaning to ask for long. What is the big deal if the big, bad G takes a chunk of data from OSM and uses it? Do I care? No. If anything, I

Re: [OSM-talk] A table of cross-renderer tag support

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Potlatch added: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport (P:pre means it's a preset, P:au means it's an autocomplete.) Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A table of cross-renderer tag support

2009-12-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 12.12.2009 19:06, schrieb Steve Bennett: Potlatch added: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport (P:pre means it's a preset, P:au means it's an autocomplete.) Ah, you also like to add presets. You'll find the JOSM presets at:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: It is a big deal to me, it's some kind of dream of a better world where practically all geospatial data (also software if you're a FOSS programmer) has to be free if you want to tap into the huge knowledge base all

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: It is a big deal to me, it's some kind of dream of a better world where practically all geospatial data (also software if you're a FOSS programmer) has to be free if you want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Sure, but what does it mean for geospatial data to be free? In short that I can improve it and send to friends. In detail I will take the definition from http://opendefinition.org/1.0 Could be just the same as the law and medical knowledge When

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 13 Dec 2009 2:55:10 am Liz wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Sure, but what does it mean for geospatial data to be free? In short that I can improve it and send to friends. In detail I will take the definition from http://opendefinition.org/1.0 Could be

Re: [OSM-talk] indic fonts in mapnik, JOSM and Potlatch

2009-12-12 Thread Peter Körner
Kenneth Gonsalves schrieb: hi, I have been searching for a way to render indic fonts in OSM/mapnik for some months and have posted here and elsewhere without result. Today I discovered something called GNU unifont which has glyphs for all known languages. Apparently this is used in the

Re: [OSM-talk] indic fonts in mapnik, JOSM and Potlatch

2009-12-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 13 Dec 2009 5:06:51 am Peter Körner wrote: hi, I have been searching for a way to render indic fonts in OSM/mapnik for some months and have posted here and elsewhere without result. Today I discovered something called GNU unifont which has glyphs for all known languages.

Re: [OSM-talk] indic fonts in mapnik, JOSM and Potlatch

2009-12-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday 12 Dec 2009 1:34:27 pm Richard Fairhurst wrote: compile support for this in JOSM and Potlatch, it would be of extreme help to us - currently all we see is little boxes when entering text. Potlatch (via Flash Player) just uses your system fonts. If they're correctly installed

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/12 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: If the intent of OSM is to represent the centerline of a road as accurately as possible (and presumably other land features too) then this is another reason to consider dropping the SA requirement - or dual licencing or dual databases or being

[OSM-talk] View CSV file data from a GPS on a map

2009-12-12 Thread wonderling
Where are there instructions for viewing data points? The format is: ., ., ., comments The need is to evaluate the validity of the points before publishing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] View CSV file data from a GPS on a map

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 wonderling em...@verizon.net: Where are there instructions for viewing data points? The format is: ., ., ., comments The need is to evaluate the validity of the points before publishing. Convert it to an osm file and load it in JOSM as a new layer

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The problem I have with that is my labour is used to commercially benefit others and in turn nothing they do would have to be returned to the community. So you want to be given something in return for your labor?

Re: [OSM-talk] View CSV file data from a GPS on a map

2009-12-12 Thread Andrew Errington
On Sun, December 13, 2009 11:24, wonderling wrote: Where are there instructions for viewing data points? The format is: ., ., ., comments The need is to evaluate the validity of the points before publishing. If you just want to view your data on a map try GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I have with that is my labour is used to commercially benefit others and in turn nothing they do would have to be returned to the community. So you want to be given

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the community, but I don't want commercial companies just sucking up all the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend the map, it's

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the community, but I don't want commercial companies just sucking up all the data and not giving hardly anything back in

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:12 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the community, but I don't want

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org: If CC-BY-SA can enforce what?  Attribution?  If geodata isn't copyrightable, then it doesn't matter if the derivative works are released under CC-BY-SA. CC-BY is attribution, CC-BY-SA is Attribution with Share Alike. While geodata might not be, the meta data

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org: If CC-BY-SA can enforce what? Attribution? If geodata isn't copyrightable, then it doesn't matter if the derivative works are released under CC-BY-SA. CC-BY is attribution,

[OSM-talk-nl] Nodes met source=AND

2009-12-12 Thread Roeland Douma
Goede morgen, Vrijwel iedereen komt ze tegen tijdens het mappen, nodes met source=AND. Als ik er aan denk knal ik het er meestal af vanwege de simpele reden dat ik vaak de node heb verplaats. Nu gaf een simpele query mij terug dat er in planet-benelux ruim 3,3 Miljoen nodes zitten met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nodes met source=AND

2009-12-12 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ik neem aan dat je dan ook de andnodeid (zoiets) er meteen af haalt? als er meer dan die 2 tags aan zitten dan lijkt het me wel netter om de source=AND te laten staan. dat zijn dan meestal nodes met nuttige info (tankstations of parkeerplaatsen bijvoorbeeld). groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote:

[talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
I've just put a lot of definitions on the wiki stolen from (and attributed to) the Australian Road Rules concerning the various types of footpaths and bicycle paths and lanes We have Shared Path to be tagged 'footway' with bicycle=yes I'd like to suggest that a shared path has been designed for

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Evan Sebire wrote: Why are we still using cycleway/footway, please describe only the properties of the path. If the routing/rendering software is dumb/simple that doesn't mean we must be! The tags for describing paths properties are fairly stable and that is what the

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset? Brendan On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:43:08 +1100, Liz wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: without changing any of the track/cycleway/path stuff mark a shared path as highway=cycleway because then they are visible as cycleways to the renderer and to the router. the presence of a painted line down the middle of the track is the

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Brendan Morley wrote: I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... The Beckom one was so far up the road it had moved to a rest area Others like Young, address on an intersection, were on the intersection literally And if the public dataset is

[talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
I've made a start on the daunting task of documenting the Hume and Hovell Walking Track. I've created a relation to cover the route: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=308594 This track goes from Hume's Cooma Cottage just east of Yass all the way to Albury. Quite a bit of the route is on

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: so i filled the Australian guidelines page with definitions from the road rules hope no one gets offended! Nice work. I'm adding talk-au to this discussion. Liz has updated:

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, you wrote: One question, though, for Australian shared path, shouldn't this be: highway=cycleway, bicycle=designated, foot=designated rather than highway=footway, foot=yes, bicycle=yes ? I was just starting on making it highway=cycleway but I agree with Roy give it

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I've made a start on the daunting task of documenting the Hume and Hovell Walking Track. Call that daunting, wait till someone does the Bicentennial Trail... I feel it might be silly of me to clutter the map of Comur

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Thoughts/ideas/experience welcome. You add all the ways to a relation and tag the relation as type=route More details on the wiki about route relations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/12 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... They probably don't need to know/care about the geo data. And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which geocoder did they use? And is BP

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations. Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some emails about:

Re: [talk-au] National Public Toilet Map released under restrictive licence

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: p.s. I'm surprised OdbL is not called OdbL-BY-SA. What happens if somebody wants to make a non-SA version? The whole point of ODBL is to enforce SA, otherwise just using cc-by? ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: You add all the ways to a relation and tag the relation as type=route Thanks John.  But that's how the relation is set up.  The problem is that the route isn't rendering as an entity in its own right on www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
Alternatively if these routes have route numbers we could do a custom shield and have the shields show on the map similar to tourist routes. Although I've noticed they've started to use picture based tourist routes, rather than numbered. Through Redcliffe in Qld they have a picture of a manatee

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: I have no intention of completing that one though :( It might be could to document such relations on the wiki so that if someone else comes along later finishes it off rather than starting a new relation. I anticipate someone changing highway=path to

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
Ross Scanlon wrote: Should these already be highway=unclassified then. Or if they are 4wd_only=yes then they should be highway=track and tracktype=*. Some maybe. But if I did survey them I'd like to do a thorough job, and the state forest is a real rabbit warren of logging access tracks.

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: It might be could to document such relations on the wiki so that if someone else comes along later finishes it off rather than starting a new relation. I'd had the same thought, although I'd assumed it might be easy to delete a relation after transferring the ways to

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: Alternatively if these routes have route numbers we could do a custom shield and have the shields show on the map similar to tourist routes. Although I've noticed they've started to use picture based tourist routes, rather than numbered. Through Redcliffe in Qld they

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: Taken any photos of it, or Google StreetView images? Take a photo is the next thing to do. It's the two walkers with huge hats at the bottom of: http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/_media/lands/pdf/recreation/P06_06_0036_H_and_H_Poster_Purple.pdf John

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: Some patches would need caterpillar drive in the wet. What's the tag for that? :) dry_weather_only=yes ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: Taken any photos of it, or Google StreetView images? Take a photo is the next thing to do.  It's the two walkers with huge hats at the bottom of:

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: Have you emailed the Dept of Lands about art work? :) Not yet. But I've e-mailed the track manager (who I met on the track several years ago) about mapping it on OSM. His response was luke-warm, and he's yet to respond to my follow-up e-mail. I also intend asking him

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread David Dean
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF - David John Smith-131 wrote: Anyone familiar with the BP at this location? 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread David Dean
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF - David John Smith-131 wrote: Anyone familiar with the BP at this location? 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-12 Thread John Smith
2009/12/13 David Dean dd...@ieee.org: Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF Mmmm that was a tad obvious, dunno how I missed it

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-12 Thread Nick Hocking
so it's not as disgraceful as it was before! Nice wotk on Gundagai, its looking so much better now - maybe almost graceful!! This morning I zoomed in on Marulan and was shocked to find that it too had been Gundagaied. So I hopped in the car and mapped it, plus a few more bits and pieces. As I

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Vitor George
olá flávio, existe um editor mais avançado, que é o josm: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Josm ele tem um plugin de routing, onde se poderia checar se os ajustes que você fez geram a rota correta. infelizmente esse plugin não está funcionando para a ultima versao do josm. o claudomiro e eu

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
O plano de fundo são imagens aéreas cedidas pela Yahoo! para dar uma ajuda ao OSM. São meio antigas mesmo. Só são atualizadas quando alguém consegue imagens mais novas ou melhores de domínio público ou cedidas especialmente para o OSM. 2009/12/12 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Arlindo,

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Eu vi em algum canto que há um limite para o número de pontos numa via. Acho que são 1000 pontos. Acho que não vai ser um problema! 2009/12/12 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org Em Sáb, 2009-12-12 às 16:12 -0200, Flávio Henrique escreveu: Olá pessoal! Boa tarde! Fiquei intrigado com o

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
2009/12/12 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Olá pessoal! Boa tarde! Fiquei intrigado com o projeto Brasil 250 Cidades e resolvi participar. Minha intenção é melhorar as rotas que passam por Goiânia (cidade onde moro) e Brasília (cidade onde trabalho). Analisando as vias (BR-153 e BR-060)

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Arlindo Pereira
2009/12/12 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org Em Sáb, 2009-12-12 às 17:10 -0200, Flávio Henrique escreveu: Arlindo, obrigado! já começou a clarear... aproveitando: 1) saberia me dizer a periodicidade de atualização do plano de fundo (o mapa

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Eu consigo usar o WMS no JOSM no Windows sem problemas. Já no Linux (Ubuntu) eu tenho que usar uma versão antiga do gnome-web-photo, como tem indicado no Wiki [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/WMSPlugin#GNU.2FLinux 2009/12/12 Arlindo Pereira

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Flávio Henrique
é... após ler, ler, testar todos os programas disponíveis acho que o Potlatch é a melhor opção... até consegui colocar o WMS, com o Yahoo! Imagery, pra funcionar no JOSM, mas a resolução das imagens dá até dó (ao menos para a região que pretendo trabalhar). vou fazer o grosso mesmo no Potlatch.

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-12 Thread Aun Johnsen
Para responder sobre dupla vias, acho que [1] diz que voce vai mapear o realidad, duas vias no vias duplicada. O duvida e como mapear onde o duplicao iniciar. Eu decidir um ponto definida com duplicao e um outro, 20 au 100 metres afrente sem duplicao para fazer o merge. [1]

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschlan d

2009-12-12 Thread assetburned
Moin On 12.12.2009, at 08:44, Sven Anders wrote: Jakob Voss schrieb: Hm, und wie werden die Namen getrennt - auch mit Semikolon? Ich finde es einleuchtender, für verschiedene Abteilungen verschiedene Nodes zu erstellen und diese dann in das gleiche Gebäude zu setzen. Für mich ist

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen an Bibliotheksnodes wenn Teil e ines Gebäudes (war Re: Checker für Bibliotheken i n Deutschland)

2009-12-12 Thread assetburned
Moin On 10.12.2009, at 13:23, Sven Anders wrote: Am 10.12.2009 12:48, schrieb assetburned: On 10.12.2009, at 07:33, Sven Anders wrote: assetburned schrieb: wie auch immer. in der stadt bremen sind jetzt erstmal alle in OSM eingetragenen bibs mit ner isil nummer versehen. soweit bekannt.

Re: [Talk-de] Routing auf gesperrter Strasse

2009-12-12 Thread Meinolf Vogt
Erstmal Danke für Eure hilfreichen Antworten. An ein Z250 (ich musste erstmal googlen was das ist :-) ) kann ich mich nicht erinnern. Da momentan hier bei uns alles verschneit ist, glaube ich auch nicht, dass ich in diesem Jahr nochmal dorthin radle. Ich werde also zunächst mal das

Re: [Talk-de] Routing auf gesperrter Strasse

2009-12-12 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Samstag 12 Dezember 2009 13:01:00 schrieb Meinolf Vogt: An ein Z250 (ich musste erstmal googlen was das ist :-) ) Hier auf der Liste hat man gemerkt, dass eine Prosa-Beschreibung der Schilder sehr missverständlich ist, da die gängigen Bezeichnungen einerseits regional unterschiedlich und

Re: [Talk-de] OSMdoc: Fragen für eine neue Version [namespaced tags, multivalued values]

2009-12-12 Thread Markus Stürmer (uboot)
malenki schrieb: Bei niederrangigen Wegen wird oft surface=grass;ground und ähnliches verwendet, Wirtschafts- oder Feldwege wie diesen http://www.malenki.ch/OSM/Bilder/ways/dscf29710_plattenstrasse_wirtschaftsweg_30x60.jpg tagge ich mit surface=concrete_plates_30x60;grass Hallo malenki

[Talk-de] FUD

2009-12-12 Thread SteveC
Hello I've been kindly passed some translations of mails that have appeared here from German to English. I'm going to assume the translations are broadly correct. The mails make a number of accusations about me and CloudMade, most of it familiar conspiracy theory stuff. First, CloudMade

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