[Diversity-talk] Community track at SOTM

2020-02-08 Thread Heather Leson
Hi I chatted briefly with Trudy. Who would like to help me curate a track on community for SOTM? Last weekend I went to FOSDEM. There were some great talks that relate to our work - I curated a list (videos and slides are online) https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Heather%20Leson/diary/392119

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Re: "Similarly, type=route relations (road, bicycle, hiking, equestrian...) > enter OSM from ODbL-compatible government-published maps, yet remain unsigned > (or poorly signed) in the real world." Please do not add this section. Most types of route relation should only be mapped if they are

Re: [Talk-it] CAI non attribuisce?

2020-02-08 Thread Lorenzo Perone
Ciao, nei credits c'è. Lorenzo Il sab 8 feb 2020, 23:02 Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto: > Mi sembra che questo sito [1] non abbia attribuito la mappa OSM... > forse è un problema del mio browser? Mi chiedo anche se sia > controllato dal CAI o meno. > > > [1] https://mappasentieroitalia.cai.it >

[Talk-it] CAI non attribuisce?

2020-02-08 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Mi sembra che questo sito [1] non abbia attribuito la mappa OSM... forse è un problema del mio browser? Mi chiedo anche se sia controllato dal CAI o meno. [1] https://mappasentieroitalia.cai.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Acknowledgement for the wiki documentation

2020-02-08 Thread Daniel Capilla
Hi, I've been working on the translation of the wiki into Spanish for a long time, both creating new translations and updating the translations that become obsolete. In all this time I have been able to check the evolution of some pages of documentation in English, the way in which they have

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread stevea
Done: https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice#Supplementing_and_clarifying_the_On_The_Ground_.22rule.22 Follow it there, if you like. SteveA > On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > I am in favor of this or similar language. I think for a more vote-like > discussion it

Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

2020-02-08 Thread Sebastian S.
I agree that putting the building on the map should rank higher than giving it a lifecycle or damaged attribute that hard to assess from the image quality. This is also the approach I recall from HOT disaster mapping. Roads and building from satellite, destruction details from ground crew.

Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee

2020-02-08 Thread Mikel Maron
There’s really no good time that works universally. These won’t be the only meetings or way to get involved, they’re just to get things moving. Mikel On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 1:40 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:12 +, Mikel Maron wrote: To accommodate time zones,

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I am in favor of this or similar language. I think for a more vote-like discussion it might be better to use the wiki talk page (easier to add +1s and short comments). On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:59 PM stevea wrote: > I don't know if here or https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice is a >

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread stevea
I don't know if here or https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice is a better place to discuss and eventually insert these suggested improvements into https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability (and its first section, "Map what's on the ground"). I suggest adding these essences

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Phillip Barnett
And in fact David Earl deserves recognition for pretty much single-handedly doing the original basic mapping of Cambridge at street level. (I did about 1% of it at the time, but had the excuse of very young children taking my attention) Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Feb 2020, at 14:30, Richard

Re: [talk-ph] is_in tags in the Philippines

2020-02-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Just another data point to add to the discussion: JOSM currently warns that is_in=* tags are deprecated: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/14917/josm Generally, tagging suggestions in JOSM are not usually controversial (unlike some of iD's tagging suggestions). Therefore, I usually delete

Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee

2020-02-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:12 +, Mikel Maron wrote: > To accommodate time zones, we’ll hold this initial meeting twice, the > second at 1700 UTC on the same day, Wednesday February 12. I’ve > blocked out an hour for each, but if you can only attend a portion > that’s fine too. Hi Mikel Would it

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread stevea
Very well stated, Colin. I agree that "independent verifiability" is at the heart of OTG and what we mean to distill from it as crucially important and a tenet of OSM that we can all agree upon (well, I hope so, anyway). By explicitly stating that John Random Public can "consult the source"

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-08 18:03, stevea wrote: > See, "the on the ground rule," to the best of my ability to determine it (an > exception is your opinion as you explicitly express here, and that's part of > the problem with it), isn't clearly defined and it needs the elasticity of > such ad hoc

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread stevea
On Feb 8, 2020, at 2:58 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > On 07.02.20 20:12, stevea wrote: >> A well-known example is (national, other) boundaries, which >> frequently do not exist "on the ground," > National borders don't exist on the ground? huh? Have you ever actually > _crossed_ an international

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/LondonOSM | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thanks Rory, that's an interesting case. One thing of note is grouping names by language/dialect is fairly common but still arbitrary division -- i.e. it assumes that a group of people speaking one language/dialect have no contradictions in naming something. But just like we should not assume

Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee

2020-02-08 Thread Mikel Maron
To accommodate time zones, we’ll hold this initial meeting twice, the second at 1700 UTC on the same day, Wednesday February 12. I’ve blocked out an hour for each, but if you can only attend a portion that’s fine too. Expect we’ll discuss the scope of work laid out by the Board, sketch initial

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM at LoveDataWeek 2020 - Maynooth University

2020-02-08 Thread Dave Corley
Umap is another good one to use for those who want to overlay additional data / information onto a base map On Sat 8 Feb 2020, 14:51 Peter Mooney, wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm giving a general overview talk about OpenStreetMap in Maynooth > University next week, as part of Love Data Week

[OSM-talk-ie] OSM at LoveDataWeek 2020 - Maynooth University

2020-02-08 Thread Peter Mooney
Hello everyone, I'm giving a general overview talk about OpenStreetMap in Maynooth University next week, as part of Love Data Week 2020. Details are here [1]. I only have an hour so I want to show attendees what kinds of applications OpenStreetMap is being used for in Ireland and beyond. This

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/02/2020 16:49, Phillip Barnett wrote: And here is the email from the guy who did the original mapping, the last time this came up, including his reasoning for the amenity Tag rather than building tag https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017457.html Note the time

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] stabilité et stat sur la disponibilité du fond OSM org

2020-02-08 Thread Jacques Lavignotte
Impressionnant ! Le 08/02/2020 à 13:57, Baptiste Jonglez a écrit : https://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap.org/tile.openstreetmap.org/squid_times_http.html Si tu veux savoir où est chaque serveur : https://hardware.openstreetmap.org/#tile-caches Et quel serveur(s) de cache est

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F wrote: > CU wanted a new site map. They paid someone to provide it for > them. Which is fine, but please don't suggest they're > contributions are superior to those of any anybody else. > Especially when they decided to knowingly go against accepted > tagging procedures. I think that's

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/02/2020 15:48, Brian Prangle wrote: "OSM is not beholden to data consumers. They take the data 'as is'. That includes any amendments My planned amendment can always be reversed if there is a valid reason. Upsetting CU isn't one" Not a great way to build a community when the data user

Re: [Talk-GB] "British Islands" (was "OSMUK-in-a-box")

2020-02-08 Thread Andy Townsend
> I've been looking at IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey which AFAIK have no coverage in the Community Index. As you say, it uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 country codes via the countryCoder so I'm expanding coverage to ["gb", "gg", "je", "im"]. I believe that there may be an issue

Re: [Talk-GB] "British Islands" (was "OSMUK-in-a-box")

2020-02-08 Thread Jez Nicholson
Great...then as far as Northern Ireland is concerned then I think that the Community Index has it right already. It allows for the overlap or OSMUK and OSMIE, Talk-GB and Talk-IE I've been looking at IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey which AFAIK have no coverage in the Community Index. As you say, it

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] stabilité et stat sur la disponibilité du fond OSM org

2020-02-08 Thread Baptiste Jonglez
Salut, Si tu t'intéresse à la performance du fond de carte OSM.org, une métrique disponible facilement est le temps de réponse médian au niveau de chaque cache Squid : https://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap.org/tile.openstreetmap.org/squid_times_http.html C'est très variable selon le

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Équitation et attributs proposés

2020-02-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.02.20 à 13:21, Arnaud Champollion a écrit : > beaucoup d'attributs "proposés" mais pas validés. > > Est-ce que ça veut dire que pour l'instant on ne les utilise pas ? dans osm, tout le monde est libre d'utiliser n'importe quel tags. un tag validé est simplement un tag qui a fait l'objet

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Équitation et attributs proposés

2020-02-08 Thread Philippe Verdy
note: certains attributs documentés ne sont pas rendus. Exemple les obstacles fixes de saut équestres, il manque la prise en compte de certaines valeurs de barrier=*, pour les pistes de steeplechase; on pourrait tricher en indiquant barrier=gate ou barrier=fence ou barrier=hedge, mais ce serait

[OSM-talk-fr] Équitation et attributs proposés

2020-02-08 Thread Arnaud Champollion
Bonjour, Ma question concerne le thème équestre, mais aussi plus largement les attributs "proposés". Cette page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:%C3%89quitation est justement très complète et documente beaucoup d'attributs "proposés" mais pas validés. Est-ce que ça veut dire que

Re: [Talk-se] Malmö och Örnsköldsvik saknas på vektorkarta

2020-02-08 Thread Essin
Hej! PangoSE, kan du till att börja med be SCB att uppdatera sin hemsida? För närvarande står det visserligen att tätortsgeometrierna är öppna data [1] men också att deras öppna data är CC-BY-licensierade [2] vilket inte är tillräckligt för OSM [3]. Det är ingen bra idé att ladda upp data med

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 08.02.20 11:58, Rory McCann wrote: On 07.02.20 20:12, stevea wrote: A well-known example is (national, other) boundaries, which frequently do not exist "on the ground," National borders don't exist on the ground? huh? Have you ever actually _crossed_ an international border? I assure you

Re: [Talk-GB] Panorama Mapping Party with TrekView - May 23 - Ashurst, New Forest, UK

2020-02-08 Thread Jez Nicholson
Nice hookup with Trek Viewdoes this warrant adding to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_events as a mapping party? I always like seeing UK events on there. On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 5:37 PM Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Hello everyone, > > As some of you may know I am developing

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 08.02.20 12:01, Colin Smale wrote: Absolutely. But we should document our sources! Basic rule of research. And if we choose to promote one alternative above the others, we are skating on thin ice. IMO, the "alternative" OSM promotes is "what's on the ground". Let's nail our colours to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 07.02.20 20:56, Colin Smale wrote: In the case of Crimea, two different authorities have different views of the jurisdiction to which it belongs. That is a fact, that we can safely map. We can represent the border in one place "according to Russia" and in another place "according to

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'intervention de tiers sur un conflit d'édition

2020-02-08 Thread Charles MILLET
Merci pour les conseils :) On 07/02/2020 22:17, Jérôme Seigneuret wrote: Dans ton cas de toute-façon il y a une signalisation verticale... Ca reste de la dégradation sans justification. Après discussion propose lui déjà de faire un revert de son changeset en mettant les liens et notre

[OSM-talk] OSM/LondonOSM | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 07.02.20 20:22, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: (e.g. two fairly large groups of people could refer to the same place/object by different names). ... the map should be able to reflect difference of opinions to some "reasonable" degree (an intentionally vague term). One useful example of that is a city

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-08 11:48, Rory McCann wrote: > It is true that government A might have one opinion, and government B might > have another, and Provisional Autonomous Republic of C might have another > opinion. > > But there can be another way. We go there, and we see what nearly everyone > there

[OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 07.02.20 20:12, stevea wrote: A well-known example is (national, other) boundaries, which frequently do not exist "on the ground," National borders don't exist on the ground? huh? Have you ever actually _crossed_ an international border? I assure you they exist on the ground. From large

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Rory McCann
It is true that government A might have one opinion, and government B might have another, and Provisional Autonomous Republic of C might have another opinion. But there can be another way. We go there, and we see what nearly everyone there calls it. We look at the words on the signs. We

[talk-cz] 18. pravidelný olomoucký mapathon

2020-02-08 Thread Antonin Haas
Ahoj, 19.2.2020 se koná další olomoucký mapathon. Start je v 18h tradičně v učebně LP2.004 na adrese Přírodovědecká fakulta Univerzity Palackého v Olomouci, 17. listopadu 12, 77146 Olomouc, Czech Republic S sebou vlastní notebook a ideálně také myš. odkaz na FB událost

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] stabilité et stat sur la disponibilité du fond OSM org

2020-02-08 Thread osm . sanspourriel
Le 08/02/2020 à 09:35, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Le 07/02/2020 à 23:12, Jérôme Seigneuret a écrit : Je suis déjà parti sur le principe de proposer du Mapbox ou une solution interne. Penses au français aussi... Mapbox commence a être envahissant et les positions

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] stabilité et stat sur la disponibilité du fond OSM org

2020-02-08 Thread Christian Quest
Le 07/02/2020 à 23:12, Jérôme Seigneuret a écrit : Je suis déjà parti sur le principe de proposer du Mapbox ou une solution interne. Penses au français aussi... Mapbox commence a être envahissant et les positions dominantes c'est jamais sain. @Vincent la question de garantie n'est pas