[talk-au] OSM licence change article

2011-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
An article on the OSM licence change on O'Reilly Radar blog. http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/06/openstreetmap-creative-commons-open-database-license.html -- Craig Feuerherdt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http

[talk-au] Flood prone areas

2011-01-05 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
John, Would it not be better to map the extent of the flood plain rather than tag individual road segments? I know they have mapped the 'floodplain' across Victoria and then categorised it into probabilities ie 1:5, 1:10, 1:20, 1:50 and 1:100 chance of flood. Obviously its another thing getting

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-31 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
This is exactly my point and gets back to another thread from a few weeks back regarding tagging schools and the sometimes multiple uses that each building can have (ie after hours classes, church groups on a weekend etc etc). From memory I believe that discussion was resolved by tagging start/end

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-30 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
to the predominant use of the area. The Melbourne showgrounds aren't a recreation_ground, likewise with Bendigo. Well unless recreation includes purchasing showbags and eating fairy floss :) Craig On 30 July 2010 17:30, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Craig

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-29 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Well it appears as though people have been tagging them as landuse=recreation_ground (as per Melbourne Showgrounds) which seems the closest approximation to what it is. On 30 July 2010 13:21, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 July 2010 12:06, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe

Re: [talk-au] Direction of flow, rivers and streams

2010-07-28 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
The stream direction is very handy if you are doing network analysis, just like one way streets are important to routing vehicles through a street network. As with any data, its always best to code objects correctly in the first instance to save time later. In some cases it is pretty difficult to

[talk-au] Wineries

2010-07-24 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I agree this isn't a uniquely Australian tagging issue. I went to Portugal a few years back and did sample some excellent ports in Oporto. We took a tour through some of the cellars (large buildings where they stored the barrells of port). They used the term 'cellar' to also denote a place where

[talk-au] Wineries

2010-07-23 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Had a bit of a think about tagging wineries (or cellar doors) and have posted my ideas (proposal) onto the wiki - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Cultural_Features tourism

[talk-au] Progress of Victorian efforts

2010-07-10 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Finally got around to updating the data showing progress of road mapping across Victoria as compared to the 'definitive' source from the Victorian Government. The table can be found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia/Road_progress. There is no lack of work to be

Re: [talk-au] Attributing points and/or areas

2010-06-19 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
i much prefer the single object option ie move attributes to the polygon if it is mapped. Just want to make sure that if/when these mass imports are updated (ie caltex service stations etc) that any scripts will check both point and polygon features. Cheers, Craig On 19 June 2010 10:09, John

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-19 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
The only DEM that I know about is the 9second product from Geoscience Australia - http://www.ga.gov.au/meta/ANZCW0703011541.html It does cost $100 and probably has some stringent use/distribution limitations. You want the DEM to produce a hillshade or to derive contours from? If you want contours

[talk-au] Attributing points and/or areas

2010-06-18 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I am starting to map landuse areas across Bendigo. I am wondering what to do when (for instance) a petrol station has been mapped as a point with all the attributes attached. I have now mapped the polygon representing the actual area of the petrol station. Which attribute(s) should go on which

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Stephen, I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for farming and are therefore still residential. In general, these sort of areas are on the periphery of townships and are a transition into

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
across the southern states. Personally I don't like the term, but if it is a majority consensus then I will fall into line :) On 17 June 2010 11:07, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 11:33, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: A farm is an area of land that you derive the majority of your income from. Given the drought of the last decade it could be argued that there are many more hobby farms across the southern states

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
My argument is that a tax purpose is not a land use - you can run a small business (tax purpose) from a residential address but it doesn't make it a commercial property. On 17 June 2010 11:42, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 11:40, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
+1 nothing is ever perfect in everyones eyes, but I can live with it :) On 17 June 2010 15:19, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 14:09, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [talk-au] White Cross painted on road - signifies what?

2010-04-26 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
These crosses are most typically for rectifying aerial photography. They are surveyed locations put in an easy to see location. Hi, Whilst out getting GPS traces north of Brisbane I've noticed quite a few roads, usually at the end of a rural road, there will be a cross in white paint on the

[talk-au] Bendigo VIC (Micro?) Mapping Party

2010-04-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I will put together a wiki page with all the necessary details. Look forward to seeing you in Bendigo! Craig Feuerherdt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Nearmap released over a northern Victoria

2010-03-11 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Have been anticipating this for a few weeks and finally it has arrived. Nearmap imagery now covers a fair portion of Northern Victoria. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-02-28 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
There appears to be some good data in the list. It is commendable that the Victorian Government has released some of its data under the CC license. Some of the datasets are pretty course (VicMap Lite for example) and are probably not worth looking at. On the other hand, the public places

Re: [talk-au] GA national park and state forest datasource - been discussed before?

2010-02-24 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Chris, That GA dataset IMHO would form a good base for national/state forests. Looking at the metadata it is suitable at a 1:5 000 000 scale and therefore a whole heap of small parks will be missing/totally inaccurate, but as I said it would provide a base to start updating/adding missing parks

[talk-au] Duplicate node removal

2010-02-10 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I think all the duplicates are removed in rural Victoria now. Leave someone else to tidy them up in metro Melbourne. I am not going to start on the USA duplicate removal, there is some definite time effort required there :) Craig ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Duplicate node removal

2010-02-10 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
such as the Melbourne tram stops) in OSM and that the attributing is 'correct' or 'agreed' prior to importing. The exact reason for discussing any data import through these lists. On 11 February 2010 13:01, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2010 11:44, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-08 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I agree that the interface on could be better on http://www.osmfuel.org/ seems strange to me why they use google maps as background!? But that is definitely off-topic! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

[talk-au] OSM Fuel

2010-02-08 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
The underlying map in OSM Fuel is definitely Google. Compare http://www.osmfuel.org/?lat=-36.73lon=144.29 with the same area in OSM - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.7336lon=144.2994zoom=13 I agree the servo data isn't up-to-date. Reading the about page it sounds like it is simply about

Re: [talk-au] Question about lanes

2010-01-22 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Mark, The number refers to the total number of lanes of the way. Refer to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes for more information. They should be tagged with lanes=2 although AFAIK it is meaningless not required if it is a bi-directional road (as per the second example on the web page

[talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-15 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Have begun adding OD routes (oversize vehicle routes) to the existing page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. I also note there have been a few changes made to the page. Would appreciate all the help I can get on this, probably mapping the unmapped

[talk-au] Naming bridge on a road

2010-01-14 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I know I have seen a thread on this but I can't find it again. I am wanting to name a bridge on a road. Current keys for the road are; highway=unclassified name=River Road layer=1 For the bridge section I have added; bridge=yes layer=1 How do I capture the bridge name Noel Tuohen Bridge? Do I

[talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-14 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
This is exactly how I envisaged that it would be done - well done. Will use the same methodology for the Alcohol Free Zone in central Bendigo (when I get the chance). I decided tonight I might try and play around with alcohol-free zones using a few relations using North Sydney as an example.

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-04 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
The info should be available in other states form your roads authority. It would be easiest to create from a CSV, but as previous discussed there may be copyright issues. I manually compiled the list from the stated sources referenced both sources. Don't assume anything when it comes to the

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
As Jim points out this is a 'hairy' issue (having had some experience with it when working in the Victoria state government). The name is not sufficient to distinguish the different categories of parks/reserves etc. John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is

Re: [talk-au] Mapping progress in Victoria

2010-01-04 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia/Road_progress It is mentioned under major highways / roads 2010/1/5 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a table summarising

[talk-au] Fwd: Mapping progress in Victoria

2010-01-04 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
data set some knowledge of data processing. Cheers, Craig 2010/1/5 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:24 +1100, Craig Feuerherdt wrote: I have created a table summarising the length of roads by postcode. The table compares the State Government data with OSM data (from

[talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
come back and attribute them as National, State etc parks later. Craig 2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming national/state/other

[talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. It is a work in progress, however I have gone through a reasonable portion of the rural areas of the state. Hopefully this

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
if the VicRoads data was copyrighted. Will post outcome once it is known. Craig 2010/1/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
makes editing difficult), hence the reason I suggested a relation. I am not beholded to 1 method over the other, it all comes down to consistency. 2010/1/1 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Craig Feuerherdt

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
:) I notice you haven't made any changes to the page yet - what have(n't) you been doing :D 2010/1/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Even though the route numbers were sourced from the VicRoads Main Roads, I

[talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2009-12-29 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just need to define a new relation 'type' (Alcohol Free Zone) and 'restriction' (alcohol?).

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2009-12-29 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
flexibility to cover both scenarios. It is therefore easier for renders to look at just relations when it comes to rendering them rather than tags and relations. 2009/12/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2009-12-29 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
for discussion. 2009/12/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: The same thing happens here as well John. So you are saying that specific playgrounds etc are AFZ's as well. So in those instances they would be part of a relation (with a single

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
As per email below, intersection_simple.jpg is the method I have adopted. Agree with multiple nodes on straight roads, I have been fixing them up as I find them. Separated ways is an interesting one and people do it differently. I am of the opinion that they have to be 'physically separate' ie

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I have been watching the discussion with interest. My perspective on mapping is getting the topology absolutely correct. All routing is driven by the topology of the underlying data (and the routing engine of the specific manufacturer). What I say below is said without criticism of the original