Re: [OSM-talk] gosmore weirdness

2009-01-27 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Tanveer, The rebuild only works under Linux, *BSD and MacOS. Also note which SVN version you will need for WinCE compatibility. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Gosmore#Pak-File_generation_on_Windows_platform I'm not distributing files for US states at the moment. But if you want

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New version of the Cape Town import data

2009-01-22 Thread Nic Roets
Thanks Adrian, It imports smoothly into gosmore. Like you explained earlier, many ways are split at the junctions. It would be nice if we had software that could merge them. Otherwise it can be done by hand. I believe the data imported from AND still has the same problem. There are no oneway

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Initial render of Cape Town data

2009-01-17 Thread Nic Roets
Great work Adrian ! On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM, John Grant john@gmail.com wrote: Surely there must be a body(s) responsible for creating street names. These names must be defined unambiguously somewhere and available as a public reference. Does anyone know how street naming happens?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Trust

2009-01-13 Thread Nic Roets
Thoughts on incorporating trust in change monitoring tools? Given eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. My interpretation is we should make it easy for many people to use the data by publishing it on as many devices and websites as possible. Getting our data in the Google index. As opposed to new

Re: [OSM-talk] VDO Dayton PN2050 and OSM

2009-01-12 Thread Nic Roets
Hi Daniel, It looks very similar to the devices on this list : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Gosmore#Devices Perhaps you can peek around with Active Sync ? Perhaps you can rename gosm_arm.exe to mobilenavigator.exe. Place it in a directory called mobilenavigator together with

[OSM-legal-talk] GPS traces and copying of facts

2009-01-08 Thread Nic Roets
It has been said on this list that facts cannot be copyrighted. And IMHO gps traces are facts. Does this mean we can use data from any of the sites mention below ? Or are gps traces subject to the same type of copyright as photos ? http://sportstracker.nokia.com/

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

2009-01-08 Thread Nic Roets
Hi Hein. Thanks for the gpsed site. I hope it's like the sportstracker.nokia.com , where I recently found many good mountain bike routes. Some of them were recorded during special events (e.g. races) for which landowners may have opened their properties / gates. So blindly importing is out of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Gosmore problem

2008-12-30 Thread Nic Roets
Hi David, The prepackaged gosmore binaries were built from version 10694. If you want to create pak files with Linux, checkout that version of from svn, make and rebuild. I only want to upgrade the prepackaged binaries and pak file after I have done all the testing necessary. Regards, Nic On

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-30 Thread Nic Roets
I guess you're right, Lucas. South Africa does not need the TLC that Manning talks about. Consider that street level maps are usually produced by government agencies. And that most African governments simply do not have the skills. So if we map these cities, it may actually improve tourism, city

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: there is a guy in Germany who has been tracing a lot of Indian cities - although I am a bit ambivalent about the results. Sure, the roads *are* being traced, but without names and also with guesses as to the road type.

Re: [OSM-talk] Your whishlist for Debian Packages?

2008-12-28 Thread Nic Roets
Thanks Joerg, If you can update the debian and ubuntu packages of gosmore, I'd be grateful. Andreas Putzo created a debian package by back porting some stuff. The bug that he sidestepped has since been fixed. So creating a debian package should no longer require any patching. Ubuntu.com is

Re: [OSM-talk] Some more shops and amenities for the map features page ...

2008-12-20 Thread Nic Roets
I'm just a little bit disappointed that tag watch does not yet cover the rest of the world. For example, in South Africa we already mapped 40 shop=shoes. But no doctor(s) yet ! On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: mentioned that voting is nuts and we

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to Map Features based on tag usage

2008-12-20 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: Why do people use _ instead of , seems very cumbersome really. Because * it's been an OSM convention (standard) since 2006. No one voted and the wiki wasn't locked. * many of us are programmers * it's easier to spot

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Patch #4 ... Patch #5 If the user merges two ways which has different tagging and of which he is not the original editor, ask him Are you sure ? If he does it again, display a popup with This is your second warning ! And

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Few tips for new mappers

2008-12-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: For gated suburbs that have roads blocked off; I connect the roads and add a highway=gate, access=no . Anyone have a better method? Last time I checked the wiki, highway=gate was obsoleted by (redirected to)

Re: [OSM-talk] Android OSM Navigation (AndNav.org)

2008-12-13 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Kyle Gordon k...@lodge.glasgownet.com wrote: Also, are there any plans for Windows Mobile? Android seems to be in the dark ages when it comes to bluetooth support, so I had to go to the dark side for a PDA/phone :-/ IMHO if Windows Mobile was part of the Dark

Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?

2008-12-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also

Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing

2008-12-05 Thread Nic Roets
: interpolation * layer: -4 Can we tag it with motorcar:yes foot:yes bicycle:yes ? That in itself will not be enough, but the changes to gosmore will eventually follow. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets

Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing

2008-12-04 Thread Nic Roets
Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:41 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I am strongly opposed to automated processing of the restriction ... My guess is that your opposition is based on the fact that some (future) routing system may not have enough information to calculate

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thinking of a T shaped junction where maybe someone adds a sharp right turning service Which can be hacked^H^H^H^H^H^H solved by relaxing the current requirement for angles to be multiples of 90 degrees. So we have 4

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-29 Thread Nic Roets
I think you are right, Ed. A grep of relations-latest.osm.bz2 shows 1930 occurrences of tag k=type v=restriction /. bzgrep 'tag k=restriction' relations-latest.osm.bz2 |sort |uniq -c |less |sort -nr 815 tag k=restriction v=no_left_turn / 550 tag k=restriction v=no_right_turn /

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But using OSM XAPI I still get results that differ from Nics. #curl -gl

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok.. so do you use two via nodes to resolve the left/right turn issue with out using lat/lon? No. gosmore expects exactly one 'via' object and it must be a node. So complicated (multistate) restrictions aren't

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Scott Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Perhaps someone who understands how this feature works should add a few examples of ways that have been properly tagged as turn restrictions. I recently added several turn restrictions in this vicinity, and I admit I was

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Scott Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This is actually quite a complicated intersection. Arroyo Way is a two-way street that Ok, I've read you're description and it looks like my assumptions about southbound traffic on S 17th was correct. The next step would

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-26 Thread Nic Roets
Andy, this is a very good summary of the choices we face. As long as important pages on our wiki contain statements like However, there is no guarantee that a tag listed here will be rendered ..., the public will regard us as amateur map makers. Contrast this with our professional quality

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * When a person signs up to OSM, ask him a few multiple choice questions to make sure he has the mastered the basics. I think the barrier

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-23 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all intra-OSM messaging were public (somewhat like a Wiki talk page), then even if only few people took the time to actually read other people's conversations, it would be easier for the community as a whole to get

Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS is great! ...

2008-11-20 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Vikas Yadav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made my PAK on ubuntu. gosmore started but without any road lines. all it had was place names on left and text on the canvas. but no road lines or colours. Please note that the gosmore package found under ubuntu

Re: [OSM-talk] Price of non-free geodata

2008-11-18 Thread Nic Roets
If you multiply the cost of a private vector license for one of these countries by the number of Sat-Nav devices sold in that country, you may well end up with a number larger than the cost to remap the whole country. This paradox can then be explained by the market segmentation and retail vs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark (was: Copyright of OSM-Logo)

2008-11-16 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: others. I cannot, for example, get away with registering a coca-cola-sucks.org domain or at least I'd be in for some trouble. I don't know about coca-cola-sucks.org but coca-cola-sucks.co.za should not be too difficult.

Re: [OSM-talk] Contour lines from SRTM-Data in OSM format

2008-11-15 Thread Nic Roets
I believe srtm2osm uses void filled data that is copyrighted. So is you do distribute the results make sure that you specify it's only for academic research. IANAL. I used srtm2osm to make an OSM file of over 1 GB and played around with it in gosmore. Distributing gosmore files that include srtm

[OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Nic Roets
According to the wiki redirects, barrier=gate is replacing highway=gate. According to tagwatch, the latter is 10 times more popular than the former. Is the community OK with this ? If yes, why aren't we running a bot to perform the changes ? Can we agree that a barrier=gate node implies that no

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the major problems with the OSM community. Someone proposes or just starts using a particular tagging scheme which has some flaws. When those flaws are pointed out, That is by no means unique to OSM. Unix / C

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: I like this idea of having country specific presets in the editors instead of having renderers to be country sprecific. It's way too late for that for tags like

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only... does that mean you're going to revisit all 30 tracks in Germany to check whether they allow cars or not? The project of No. A German track without a motorcar key will get motorcar=no added, assuming the original

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM to .. Only Garmin

2008-11-05 Thread Nic Roets
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Gosmore should run on most igo and route66 devices, but it's not as fully featured as a commercial product. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a recent user of openstreetmap, and map the Delhi, India area. I was

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-05 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be better to let each country decide for itself in the end I guess. Ben In addition to my previous objections, namely that newbies don't follow standards, and that it make things difficult for OSM members traveling

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
Using the script below I found 219469 tracks of which 202630 did not have a motorcar= tag. My reasoning behind gosmore was that tracks not suitable for vehicles should be tagged as footway. It's flawed because we so many unsurfaced way types. Perhaps we can adopt the following scheme ?

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Rainer Dorsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (except for some special cases like if you own land which is accessible only using such a track or if you have special permission). Then it should be tagged with access=destination It's not yet supported in gosmore, but

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Rainer Dorsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I have a way to tell gosmore that I have a permission or would it also route me there when I want to do a short leissure walk there (maybe by selecting the destination with a click)? If the closest way to click

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
Hi Mark and Paul, I guess our standards are a bit open to interpretation, which is not necessarily a bad thing. It's relatively easy to get it right. It does not work for Rossouw Street M13 which carries a lot less traffic than Louis Botha M33. (And some idiot changed Hans Strydom in Pretoria to

Re: [OSM-talk] Ideas for student project on OSM

2008-10-28 Thread Nic Roets
I suggest the region-based history idea. The source for it's data will be a planet file plus all the subsequent diffs. It must then be able to get the map for any given historic time and any reasonable bounding box. The challenge is to index all that data and provide a reasonable service to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Ideas for student project on OSM

2008-10-28 Thread Nic Roets
Well, I'm really pleased with the performance of the fixed tile size algorithms I implemented in gosmore. OSM data is remarkably flat : Either a tile is empty (sea / rural / unmapped) or has approximately the same number of objects as any other urban tile. So if the tiles are small enough you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BY-SA 2.0 section 3.d allows you to distribute copies or phonorecords of, display publicly, perform publicly, and perform publicly by means of a digital audio transmission Derivative Works

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Nic Roets
In the case where the super-secret database owner does not encourage you to use OSM-ng license data, there is nothing the license can do. The super-secret database owner can simply argue that his software was written for OSM/PD or OSM/CC-by-SA. Another way frustrate SA will be to reduce the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Nic Roets
I wasn't quite sure what exactly was wrong with Rob's comments but you summed it up nicely. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Jonathan Harley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The promise that someone will hold you in higher esteem if you abandon your principles rarely works out. I don't think this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My company (Ito World Ltd) needs to be able to combine Share-Alike data from OSM with copyright data from other sources ... IMHO Other sources are usually incompatible with SA. software and produce rendered images or

[OSM-talk] Undo just got a lot more complicated

2008-10-25 Thread Nic Roets
Let's say a newbie messes up a region near you. A few weeks later you discover it and confronts the user who admits his mistake. So you fire up your undo script (if you're lucky enough to have one). It will work where the newbie was the last user to edit stuff. Except it's impossible for a script

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I +1 for the wikipedia version. http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
Tom, Many OSM contributors indicated that they are interested in a PD alternative (Richard, Frederik, myself etc). I believe that having a PD database (subset) many have a few applications. Like showcasing OSM on website where a viral license will be an issue. Google Earth etc. We all want to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
of my mapping data. If OSM/PD gains popularity, it will only be because that's what the community wants. And that's a big 'if' that starts with someone saying he's willing to host and maintain the database. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nic Roets wrote

[OSM-talk] Administrators (was More vandalism)

2008-10-19 Thread Nic Roets
Well, isn't it time then that we then appoint administrators ? Wikipedia had them since soon after their formal launch : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administratorsoldid=294538 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#History On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Frederik Ramm

Re: [OSM-talk] elephant trekking

2008-10-18 Thread Nic Roets
I'd tag it as tourism=zoo and add a note explaining what's there. It will allow people searching for attractions to find it. As an added benefit, the icon for a zoo is an elephant on mappaint?, gosmore and possibly other renderers. On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what we want is suitable as some kind of ethics/morality stick we can use to beat people who misbehave, even if they misbehave within the envelope of the law. I hope this thread has something to do with punishing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the idea that everything only touched by PD contributors is PD data is easily good enough. It would be a tough sell to say that because your road is next to my road, I have intellectual property rights over the

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Nic Roets
Hi Frederik, I'm glad the issue gets to be discussed, as it will show up more and more frequently. Clearly we need some conflict resolution rules (similar to wikipedia's 3 revert rule), oversight and dispute resolution. We need to strike a balance between giving new users the benefit of the doubt

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Nic Roets
Like Fredik's idea. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/gmails-drunk-emailing-pro_n_132680.html On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tell you what, let's completely ban all editors - that'll eliminate the risk of vandalism. Ban the talk-list, so

[OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-12 Thread Nic Roets
I have previously reported how someone with the screen name 'thebigfatgeek' has messed up a roundabout in Pretoria. Well, yesterday he changed a lot more stuff, most of it clearly being wrong. See for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4259221/history Joining ways with different

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

2008-10-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: A good diff tool or better a diff API call would be helpful as well. With that you could periodically look over the changes in your area. The first step will be a proper way back machine. But it hasn't been discussed

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits

2008-10-03 Thread Nic Roets
To get back to the issue of a bot running in a specific country : Let's say the vast majority of occurrences of Strasse are spelling mistakes and let's say there are a few occurrences of Strasse where it is not a spelling mistake, like a surname. Should we run the bot ? -- Spaeth wrote Those who

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Cloudmade

2008-10-03 Thread Nic Roets
I'm not too worried. Cloudmade received something like $2m at a time when it was easy to raise money. So those investors may realistically expect to make only tens of millions of dollars over the next few years. Compare that with the $10b odd that TeleAtlas and NavTech sold for at the same time.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-02 Thread Nic Roets
Isn't a motorway by definition divided and therefore oneway ? My opinion is that motorway and motorway_link must both default to oneway=true, as the bi-directional varieties are non-existent / very rare. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I assume that

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits

2008-09-29 Thread Nic Roets
Fredrik wrote : 2. Make sure your tools and knowledge are good: You have to be able to revert your changes if something goes wrong, and you need to keep any collateral damage to an absolute minimum. If you cannot guarantee that, ask someone for help who can. If a bot writer sees this, he's either

Re: [OSM-talk] USA and Canada beat Germany to ban Potlatch

2008-09-29 Thread Nic Roets
Richard anticipated this earlier this month (and it turns out he's quite well-read) : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/3250#comments On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, from Wikipedia: Potlatching was made illegal in Canada in 1885

[OSM-talk] Number of Edits Take 2

2008-09-28 Thread Nic Roets
I've written a script to estimate the number of names added by each user. Currently it just looks at who did the last edit on each object with a name. Once again it may allow us to spot errors like mass imports gone bad. Below are the results for 20 August. I'd say that anything above 2 is

Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes -Update

2008-09-28 Thread Nic Roets
AFAIK, ORS is not FOSS. Neither has Lambertus published his source, although I believe it will eventually be done. The gosmore / YOURS API is quite simple. Input is basically the permalink URL and the output is a list of coordinates in CSV format. It includes info about the segments such as way

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggesting that the data be changed to accommodate the deficiency of a particular renderer is very much a case of mapping for the renderer. This is a principle that is important to uphold. Fix the renderer not the data. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Bug: Do not use simplify way

2008-09-21 Thread Nic Roets
Looks like you rediscovered http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/230 and http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/817 On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Sven Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: The Function Simplify Way deletes points which should not be deleted when you have not downloaded the

Re: [OSM-talk] Graveyard not being rendered

2008-09-16 Thread Nic Roets
As Skywave points out many things are not being rendered to avoid clutter : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nic%20Roets/diary/3337 I like it if at least one PoI of a group (cluster) is rendered at most zoom levels, so that there's a hint that I need to zoom in / investigate. I believe Google

Re: [OSM-talk] Need help!

2008-09-12 Thread Nic Roets
Even better would be a review system similar to Page Rank for web pages : If user X downloads n objects edited by Y and does not revert it nor mark it as bad, we assume user X has a good opinion of user Y's work. In terms of web pages, it's like user X adding n links on his page to user Y's page.

Re: [OSM-talk] Need help!

2008-09-12 Thread Nic Roets
] wrote: Unfortunately this won't quite work as we move from a data entry to a data maintenance mode. In the data maintenance mode you will generally be looking to update the data as the world changes. This is where this method appears to fall down. Shaun On 12 Sep 2008, at 19:28, Nic Roets wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] Need help!

2008-09-12 Thread Nic Roets
an accurate picture. It's just an idea. A number of simpler tools may well be of greater benefit. Tools that get more people to use the data and encourage them to correct any mistakes. 2008/9/12 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Nic Roets wrote: I disagree, at least for my approach. Even

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC Attribution Share Alike License with OSMF exception

2008-09-06 Thread Nic Roets
The paranoid people are all on this list. Perhaps 100 ? Which leave a good 49900 who don't really care what the license is. Otherwise we would have seen a fork long ago. A few of the normal checks should suffice : 1. The directors should act in the best interest of the community and disclose any

[OSM-talk] How to revert ?

2008-09-06 Thread Nic Roets
This roundabout used to be perfect, with layers and everything. Now it's rubbish. Even some of the nodes are gone. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.77304lon=28.19906zoom=17layers=B00FTF We badly need a 'wayback machine'. I still have the original data but it's in 0.4 format.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Nic Roets
My opinion on a few things : There are some applications I just can't write with OSM. Particularly, I can't write any application which interacts in a nontrivial way with proprietry data. Not true. You can write an application that reads data in OSM-XML format and any other format and produce

Re: [OSM-talk] mobile_dev mailing list?

2008-09-02 Thread Nic Roets
Or just 'mobile' list ? On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Chris Browet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many might have noticed, almost all the new mobile devices include a GPS chip these days. This is a great opportunity for OSM in general and mappers in particular. To avoid mobile specific

[OSM-talk] Rendering : mini_roundabout supermarket ?

2008-08-29 Thread Nic Roets
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.77154lon=28.23247zoom=16layers=0B0FTF Why does mapmik and osmarender both render mini_roundabouts at lower zoom levels than supermarkets, restaurants and many other more significant features ? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] mkcntr2.pl: perl hackers wanted to fix contours....

2008-08-25 Thread Nic Roets
I've never coded in perl, but this seems to work : B.t.w. is there some way to do very large areas ? hunderds of thousands of km^2 ? print GNUPLOT set terminal table unset surface set contour -set cntrparam level incremental 0, $l, 1000 +set cntrparam level incremental 0, $l, 5000 #set

Re: [OSM-talk] Users' activity feeds

2008-08-23 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about an activity feed for a certain bounding box area? I think this, in combination with the user-specific activity log, would be very useful. There's a simple trick to achieve this : XOR or subtractive rendering.

Re: [OSM-talk] Users' activity feeds

2008-08-22 Thread Nic Roets
We badly need this : Over at legal talk it has emerged that someone is suspected of illegal copying. Similarly and incompetent user near me made many mistakes and I could only find all his changes by grepping the planet. And if they delete stuff, grepping won't help. Even if we just have 1 html

[OSM-talk] gosmore for (nearly) all

2008-08-20 Thread Nic Roets
I generated gosmore data files for nearly all countries (no US at this stage) and I'll update them a few times each month. Visit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Gosmore to get the location. A few of them are quite large, like Canada and Germany. If anyone in those countries want smaller

Re: [OSM-talk] Easy to use system for countryside surveying

2008-08-16 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Nick, And if the walker deviates from the path ? Or comes across an unmapped footpath that he doesn't want to take ? Or spots some POI that needs to be added ? The mobile editor in my gosmore program doesn't do track simplification. And the ways it generates do need to be connected

[OSM-talk] Hosting for gosmore files

2008-08-14 Thread Nic Roets
I'm pleased to say that the gosmore project has made significant progress this winter (|| latitude 0 echo summer ). The data format is already quite stable and the software has been tested on a number of different devices. You may also have seen the web routing service. But I think the largest

Re: [OSM-talk] Map routing quality

2008-08-10 Thread Nic Roets
The same route with osm data. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~lambertus/routing-world/?flat=55.863481flon=-4.427433tlat=55.859127tlon=-4.259269v=carfast=1 At first glance it look better... On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the subject of

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-02 Thread Nic Roets
For the last few months I've been wondering if OSM isn't more of a software project than a database. I know everyone is spending more time mapping than writing their software, but coding, testing and documenting high performance and / or cutting edge software commercially will cost a lot more per

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Temporary upload of sat images for evaluation (WMS)

2008-07-23 Thread Nic Roets
Let's just distinguish between the types of data : 1. The commercial partner can keep ownership of the original raster data (photos). 2. Derived vector data that is uploaded to the OSM servers will be placed under the OSM license. So there are many options A. He sets up his own server and

Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC

2008-07-16 Thread Nic Roets
I must admit I'm also a ROTFWL at fake SteveCtard. You can always start a you own blog and call it Fake Steve C(hilton / lark / alcott) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fake SteveC, liked your work a lot. Not surprised that you're throwing in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [review] Sparc systems gps data logger gdl-3204

2008-07-09 Thread Nic Roets
What's the price range going to be ? The reason I'm asking is that a variety of WinCE Core based GPSs (like mine) is now on the market for around 85 Euro (See http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/8392125/_R_1_Auction_JNC_Navig8_GPS_System_CrAzY_Wednesday.html ) Most of them have 64MB RAM, car charger,

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map - less than one week to go

2008-07-06 Thread Nic Roets
I wouldn't be attending, but if anyone who is wants to hand out Gosmore Live DVDs for Europe, let me know. Happy Mapping, Nic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Gosmore Live DVD for Europe

2008-06-30 Thread Nic Roets
Recent improvements in the gosmore file format allows for reasonable operation when the data is stored on bulk devices like DVDs. I created such a DVD from yesterdays Europe extract (thanks Frederick). It also contains gosmore.exe and all the DLLs necessary for Windows XP (256 MB or more

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
I've create an proposal for turn restrictions. It's at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation:xrestriction ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
Ways NS and EW cross at X. Tell me how to encode all these combinations : 1. I travel North in NS and turn left at X 2. I travel North in NS and turn right at X 3. I travel North in NS straight through X 4. I travel North in NS and make a U-turn at X Now replace 'North' with 'South' and you have 8

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I hope you at least see a few small problems : 1. Mappers may not think about coming from the other side and forget to split. (unless the validator flags it). 2. The more split ways we have, the more difficult it is to keep all the tags up to date (esp outside

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release

2008-06-26 Thread Nic Roets
My experience says that an institution like the foundation should not get involved in trying to give advice or otherwise comment on the product of a competitor. The reader will either know who we are and does not need to be informed about GMM, or the reader will think that the press release does

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-24 Thread Nic Roets
... # Cyprus # Grenada # Iceland ... No Germany ? Looks like peoplesmap 2.0 to me ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Low water crossings

2008-06-23 Thread Nic Roets
No scheme that I know of. There are many similar problems throughout Africa and we can't have a special tagging scheme for each one. An example can be that the ferry that takes vehicles across the Zambezi ( Zambia / Botswana) will frequently be out of order, so tourists should use the bridge at

[OSM-talk] Gosmore for Windows CE Core

2008-06-21 Thread Nic Roets
I made a number of improvements to gosmore during the last few days : * It's now possible to do everything with finger taps * Added a very robust NMEA to GPX converter so that it can be used as a datalogger. * Solved a number of WinCE issues. I tested it on my WinCE 4.2 Core based GPS receiver

Re: [OSM-talk] KML tiles

2008-06-11 Thread Nic Roets
The current Google Earth maps for South Africa are supplied by Tracks4Africa and AND. Both of them only show major roads and are useless for routing. In contrast, OSM has all the roads and many footways for Pretoria (Cape Town and Johannesburg nearly done). If I post a KML to a 4x4 newsgroup,

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