Re: [OSM-talk] Entances (was Layers and landuse)

2015-07-01 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 03:47:14PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: On 30/06/15 11:36, Richard Z. wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 04:14:07PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: On 29/06/15 15:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The step from 2D to 3D would add a lot of complexity on the mappers, narrowing

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical edits

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:12:24PM +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: A large bounding box of a changeset is not a proof that the edit is mechanical. There are also users at OSM who first edit an object in Europe and afterwards in America before they upload their changes. (This usually happens if

Re: [OSM-talk] Layers and landuse

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 04:14:07PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: On 29/06/15 15:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The step from 2D to 3D would add a lot of complexity on the mappers, narrowing down the mass of contributors potentially willing and able to participate. Everyone would have to deal

Re: [OSM-talk] Layers and landuse

2015-06-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:40:52AM +0200, Ture Pålsson wrote: I recently taught my rendering hack about the ’layer’ tag, and immediately encountered a set of new problems. For example, consider this ditch: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243331898 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243331898

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: Adblock blocks Wikimedia Commons images

2015-06-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 02:45:54AM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: I was pretty annoyed recently, because every now and then a wikimedia image I used in a ValueTemplate would not work. For some reason I decided to check Privacy Badger today and after that disable Adblock. Well, that did the job.

Re: [OSM-talk] a, b and c.tile.openstreetmap.org refer to the same server?

2015-05-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 05:09:59PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: On So, Mai 17, 2015 at 04:46:24 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: Is it normal that the a, b and c.tile.openstreetmap.org IP-adresses refer to the same server? For me, they all refer to amsterdam.tile.openstreetmap.org and for some

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:31:52PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: On 5/7/15 16:40 , Richard Z. wrote: indeed my intention was to use contact:twitter exactly when a company explicitly recommends it as a way to contact them whereas twitter=* could be used to mean anything else. 1. That's not how

Re: [OSM-talk] Looking for maps with rendered toll status

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:27:54AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I am looking for examples how toll status of roads is displayed on existing maps. I am considering rendering toll status in openstreetmap-carto. But I have no good ideas how it may be done and I failed to find maps displaying

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 11:37:41PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? So what would you do with those tags? If we don't use contact for phone, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:49:40PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: This page is an excellent example of what can go wrong with the OSM wiki. Yet another example why the wiki needs some love. If random edits like this are allowed to continue*** it'll devalue the wiki even more as a resource. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 04:20:22PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 07.05.2015 um 13:50 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: then contact:twitter is also flat out wrong, because many companies will not reply and maybe not even read what you tweet them. this is one

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:20:42PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-05 17:21 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? have

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 11:17:35AM -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: The reason is that the contact: tags are unnecessarily verbose (we should use simpler tags whenever possible) and the simpler tags are much more popular (there are 98865 contact:phone tags but 490328 phone tags). Why do we need

Re: [Talk-de] HTTPS auf overpass-api.de

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:24:18PM +0100, Roland Olbricht wrote: Im Gegensatz dazu verbreitet sich mit Certificate Pinning [6] ein Verfahren, das inhärent große Anbieter bevorzugt: man muss sich wieder mit dem Browser-Hersteller gutstellen, damit er für die eigene Seite nur die Zertifikate

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding a user from a tag/value?

2015-03-01 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 06:23:19PM +1100, Warin wrote: Hi, I'd like to find out which user has contributed a key to the map ... the key has no wiki page and I'd like to know what was meant by the key and its' value. The key has low numbers .. so while there may be more than one user .. I

Re: [Talk-de] heise berichtet ueber osm.org-Routing integration

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:31:55AM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! Am 19. Februar 2015 um 10:46 schrieb Eifelhunde eifelhu...@gmx.de: Sehe ich weniger problematisch, oder werden kurvenreiche Strecken auch berücksichtigt? Häufig sind doch diese nicht beschränkt, erlauben aber wegen

Re: [OSM-talk] Big Lakes

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:45:31PM +0100, malenki wrote: I am working on Lake Nasser* and can predict that after enhancing it's shore the resulting MP will be quite big. Based on what I have done so far I'd expect an Multipolygon (MP) with about 10.000 Members and an outline of 14.000 km

[OSM-talk] OSM contact for complicated licence violation investigation

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, came across a pretty major license violation and need technical help and another pair of eyes to figure out what is going on. Semi-confidential at this point. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Android Network Location Providers?

2015-02-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 02:36:13AM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: As I've experienced unusually poor performance with Google's NLP in Android, I was wondering if anybody knew of a dropin replacement I can install that cuts Google's NLP while still allowing NLP through some kind of open means, even

Re: [OSM-talk] Android Network Location Providers?

2015-02-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 06:00:29AM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: I'd be curious if you have specific links. one that I was looking at is this: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=locationfdid=org.fitchfamily.android.gsmlocationfdpage=2 Richard

Re: [Talk-de] Wehr - Schleuse

2015-01-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 10:22:59AM +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: Ich habe in waterway=sluice_gate benutzt. bitte keine falsche Scheu das auch mal im wiki zu Dokumentieren. Im wiki steht nur http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate wo das tagging ganz anders aussieht?

Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-04 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 05:22:17PM +, Chris Hill wrote: On 03/01/15 16:50, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: in accordance to the mechanical edit policy, I'd like to open the discussion on this list: a recently approved proposal introduced new tags for pipelines and marker [1] and changed an

Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-04 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 09:18:57AM -0200, Lists wrote: May I suggest the following work flow: 1) Agree upon 2 dates sufficiently spaced i.e. 2 weeks apart 2) First date, add the new tag, leave the old tag in the system. This will not break anything, and from that date data consumers know

[Talk-de] 663 Bäume mit identischer Internetaddresse..

2014-12-21 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, sieht fast nach einem spam-Versuch aus? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=contact%3Awebsitevalue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruheforst-vogelsberg.de%2Findex.php%3Fseite%3DKonzept%26h%3D2#overview Richard ___ Talk-de mailing list

[OSM-talk] wiki history function problem?

2014-12-20 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, since some time the wiki history (show diffs between versions) always displays empty changesets for me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Date_namespacediff=1119628oldid=1119586 displays an empty box and says (Nessuna differenza) which is clearly wrong. Did anyone else

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse vs Vegetation vs Landcover proposed cleanup at wiki

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:04:28AM +0400, Никита wrote: We have highly inconsistent content at wiki (feature pages http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Features). Inconsistency is not limited to landuse=wood/natural=forest. Another example is landuse=meadow (Landuse

Re: [Talk-at] Objekte mit start_date/end_date

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:34:39PM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 10.11.2014 19:13, Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote: Nun, ich stimme zu, dass es trivial ist. Das heisst aber noch nicht, dass es auch getan wird. Nur als Beispiel, openstreetmap-carto, der Standardstil der OpenStreetMap,

Re: [Talk-at] natural=valley (war: Namen von Objekten ohne Schild)

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 02:04:11AM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Im Deutschen ist es umgekehrt: Grat kennt jeder, Gratrücken ist Fachsprache. Was ist mit den rest-ridges, also den weniger scharfen bis sanften Bergrücken. Soll man da nur den Namen rendern? Den Bergrücken kann man

Re: [Talk-at] natural=valley (war: Namen von Objekten ohne Schild)

2014-11-03 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 08:09:23AM +0100, Andreas Labres wrote: On 02.11.14 22:30, Holger Schöner wrote: Leider verwenden tatsächlich auch nach meiner Erfahrung nur sehr wenige die Tags natural=ridge und natural=valley ... natural=ridge ist mir schon mehrmals untergekommen, das liegt

Re: [Talk-de] Bettelampeln / Anforderungsampeln

2014-10-31 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:33:26AM +0100, DarkAngel wrote: Hi, gibt es eigentlich Tags für Bettelampeln d.h. Fuß/Radfahrer Ampeln die nur auf Anforderung grün werden? Die Dinger heißen Bedarfsampel und damit finden man sie auch unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:crossing

[OSM-talk] Download source of all wikipages?

2014-10-24 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, is it possible to download the complete source of all wiki pages from wiki.openstreetmap.org - preferably as highly compressed tarball? I am frequently finding that without a full regexp search it is very easy to miss important bits of information and related/similar tags so a copy at home

Re: [OSM-talk] Download source of all wikipages?

2014-10-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:54:38AM +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Hi Richard, https://dump.wiki.openstreetmap.org (currently offline) had daily exports of the wiki. I will try bring it back online in the next few days. ok, thanks for trying. Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto tag a prominent dead tree?

2014-10-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:26:40AM +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote: Subject: [OSM-talk] Howto tag a prominent dead tree? Hi, this must have come up before... any ideas? What does prominent mean? in this case local landmark visible on google sat (Bing is clouded in that place) and

[OSM-talk] Howto tag a prominent dead tree?

2014-10-21 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, this must have come up before... any ideas? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-de] Unbenutzbare Wanderwege - was tun?

2014-10-18 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:28:39PM +0200, Norbert Wenzel wrote: On 09/25/2014 01:03 PM, thsMD wrote: Noch eine Zusatzfrage: Welche Attribute verwendet man, wenn Radfahren auf dem Weg explizit nicht verboten ist (kein Schild), ich aber der Meinung bin, dass dort keiner mit seinem Rad

Re: [OSM-talk] regexp search over wiki pages?

2014-09-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 02:30:05PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: I am trying to search something like \w+:description in wikipages, is there some method or search engine to do that? Have you tried with google and site:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ ? yes, maybe I have forgotten something from

[OSM-talk] regexp search over wiki pages?

2014-09-13 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, I am trying to search something like \w+:description in wikipages, is there some method or search engine to do that? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Own wikipage for every single speed limit??

2014-09-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:37:33PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: Redirect pages can have a bad effect, though. Taginfo will show if a wiki page exists for a key or tag. Taginfo can't know why there is a redirect. Is this a case where the redirect directs from a typo page to the real page or is

Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 02:09:34AM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. strange ... :( maybe timeout when generate JOSM data? my impression was that the problem was on

Re: [Talk-de] Anforderungen des API verletzt - Fehler

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:17:07PM +0200, Andreas Schmidt wrote: hallo Liste, ich bin gerade in Brasilien am mappen. Da komme ich in Gegenden, wo noch kein Mapper war und zeichne u.a. lange Stra0en und noch längere Flüsse. Jetzt habe ich erstmals eine Meldung von JOSM, von der ich nicht

Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
Imre 2014-08-28 12:39 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing

[OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated):

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:08:31PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https

Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:12:08PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? I have used the code and instructions from this 2 repo https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium (

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:39:27PM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:32, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29

Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script

2014-08-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: Hi Imre, I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. When I share the query the shorturl looks like the one bellow so it seems to be somehow an

[OSM-talk] Own wikipage for every single speed limit??

2014-08-28 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, noticed that there is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:maxspeed%3D20redirect=no and a few more speeds - does it make any sense to have such pages around? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script

2014-08-28 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing. To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort

Re: [Talk-at] Brücken

2014-08-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 03:04:37PM +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: Friedrich Volkmann schrieb: Kann sein, dass die Liste auch Zeilen enthält, wo es sich um keine richtigen Brücken handelt, aber die komischen Namen müssen nicht unbedingt falsch sein... Ich finde trotzdem nicht, dass sie

Re: [OSM-talk] New mapping satellite

2014-08-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 03:14:32PM -0700, Kevin Bullock wrote: With our partnership with Mapbox, the OSM community will start seeing this imagery through the Mapbox satellite layer; this will be of huge value for mapping new areas and updating OSM. just looking at the Seychelles, anything in

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging natural or informal swimming holes?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 02:07:15PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:03 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: How best should I tag informal swimming areas? These typically have no lifeguard or facilities. An example deep-content site for these types of holes is:

Re: [Talk-de] Baum der Woche: Kastanie

2014-04-15 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 09:54:19AM +0200, Falk Zscheile wrote: Am 15. April 2014 09:37 schrieb tumsi tu...@gmx.de: zu taggen. Vielleicht gibt es dann im Herbst eine Kastaniensammelkarte? Sollten wir nicht auch die Bärlauchfelder im Wald mappen, damit man auch in unbekannteren

Re: [Talk-de] Baum der Woche: Kastanie

2014-04-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:49:17PM +0200, Ralf GESELLENSETTER wrote: Der milde März hat dazu geführt, dass bereits jetzt viele Kastanienbäume ihre fünffingrigen Blätterfächer entfalten und sogar ihre ersten Blütenkerzen entfachen... Auf diese Weise sollte es auch botanischen Laien leicht

Re: [OSM-talk] Azimuth measurement

2014-04-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 02:44:46PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: on iPhones you can change this in settings (geographic vs magnetic north) not sure for other devices but my guess is there will be settings as well... Unless you're in northern Canada I really wouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Offset Database turns 1

2014-04-02 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 07:23:23PM +0400, Ilya Zverev wrote: Hi! On this day a year ago I announced the Imagery Offset Database. Since then mappers have uploaded around 6 thousand offsets, and the number of editors supporting the database has doubled. I hope we are still teaching beginner

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:05:21PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 21, 2014 4:59 PM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: Example of a problem this should catch: I have seen cases where someone wanted to tag a simple bridge with layer and added the layer to the wrong segment - tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 03:33:03PM +0100, colliar wrote: On 22.03.2014 11:01, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:05:21PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 21, 2014 4:59 PM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: Example of a problem this should catch: I have seen cases where

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 07:17:26AM +0100, Stefan Keller wrote: Hi Richard, hi Simon At 2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole wrote At 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb Richard Z.: is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 03:41:45PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: This seems like a solution looking for a problem than anything actually pragmatic and worth doing. It would also needlessly overcomplicate cities that have large areas underground on multiple levels, such as Kansas City. Example of

Re: [Talk-de] 3D: Wie Gebäude am Hang taggen?

2014-03-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 04:19:06PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 17. März 2014 13:44 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de: Gibt es denn wenigstens einen Renderer, der bereits irgendwelche Geländedaten mit einbezieht? bei den bisher frei verfügbaren Quellen wie SRTM

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 06:12:10PM +, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 15/03/2014, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: I now agree that the layer tag should be used as locally as possible, so I think Richard had good intentions when proposing this. At the same time, I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 05:12:08PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 15.03.2014 14:44, Richard Z. wrote: I think it would be good to agree on something... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:layer#Maximum_recommended_segment_length_of_ways_tagged_with_layer I think

[OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, I think it would be good to agree on something... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:layer#Maximum_recommended_segment_length_of_ways_tagged_with_layer Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? There are at least 2 tickets open which could help a lot: *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5116 *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3898 I

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which should make it a lot easier Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 07:12:13PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs:

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:23:18AM +0100, Andreas Neumann wrote: Am 14.03.2014 08:56, schrieb Andreas Schmidt: [...] Die Herren Hobbyschlachter [...] Ich verbitte mir eine solche Ausdrucksweise in öffentlichen Diskussionen. Man mag zur Jagd stehen wie man will, aber man sollte auch

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 09:06:41PM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Pieren writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Frank Little frank...@xs4all.nl wrote: Richard Z wrote As mapped, the waterway=stream (Way #138911739) runs underground (layer=-1), probably through a culvert given

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:51:22PM +0100, Falk Zscheile wrote: Worauf die betreffende Person aber vermutlich hinaus will: Radikale Tierschützer nutzen die Daten unter Umständen, um die jagdlichen Einrichtungen zu beschädigen. Die Beschädigung ist eine Straftat (§ 303 StGB). Für einem Mapper

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 01:32:40PM +0100, Falk Zscheile wrote: Am 13. März 2014 13:20 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:51:22PM +0100, Falk Zscheile wrote: Worauf die betreffende Person aber vermutlich hinaus will: Radikale Tierschützer nutzen die Daten

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 02:51:23PM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 12:21, Richard Z. wrote: In practice this rule is broken more often than you would think: Hamburg is full of waterways connected with roads on bridges through a tag obstacle. France is full of bridges sharing a node

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 10:26:59PM +, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 9 March 2014 10:30, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: for some time now I have been working on the wiki page to state the rules as clearly as possible.. hope that most of the improvements are fairly uncontroversial

[OSM-talk] isolated odbl=clean nodes with no other tags?

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, this caught my attention some time ago: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/307673868 we could not figure out how it happened and what it was originaly. It seems none of the validators complains about the existence of such nodes so this may be an isolated mishap or a widespread problem.

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 02:52:02PM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, but adding a layer=1 to a lake in a park isn't clearer or more accurate, they are both on the same layer, the lake is in the park, not above (usually). Which confirms my point

Re: [OSM-talk] isolated odbl=clean nodes with no other tags?

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 06:32:01PM -0500, Toby Murray wrote: It was probably a member of a way that got removed. Maybe they forgot to add the odbl tag to the way. that was our idea but the OSM Inspector or some other tool would have warned about that case.. so a little mystery. I am not

[OSM-talk] layer and pylons

2014-03-10 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, I did think a bit more about the situation and think it makes no sense to try to rescure the meaning of layer for ways at different levels connected with pylons or similar constructions. For simple cases such as pylons of aerial tramways it is defined so, that the tramway is above ground

[OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, for some time now I have been working on the wiki page to state the rules as clearly as possible.. hope that most of the improvements are fairly uncontroversial. Some of the changes: * the vertical ordering established by the layer values is valid exactly only in the point where the ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of Key:* as wiki web page titles

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:11:35AM +, Dave F. wrote: Hi Prompted by the discussion on the Layer tag I've just noticed there's two separate pages for it: 'Layer' 'Key:Layer' What's the reason for the 'Key:' prefix? IMO it can only lead to confusion. Haven't checked all, but Landuse

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:47:32AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 09/mar/2014 um 11:30 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: * the vertical ordering established by the layer values is valid exactly only in the point where the ways cross or objects overlap actually

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 01:05:18PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 09/mar/2014 um 12:43 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: It is broken by definition in at least one case: waterways ar supposed to share a node with the dam they are crossing, which means the highway

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:35:20AM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 10:30, Richard Z. wrote: Hi, for some time now I have been working on the wiki page to state the rules as clearly as possible.. hope that most of the improvements are fairly uncontroversial. Some of the changes

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:35:20AM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 10:30, Richard Z. wrote: Hi, for some time now I have been working on the wiki page to state the rules as clearly as possible.. hope that most of the improvements are fairly uncontroversial. Some of the changes

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 12:34:31PM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 12:24, Richard Z. wrote: it says point, not node the difference probably needs to be emphasized very strongly. There is a difference between mathematicaly precise and intuitive formulations:(( https://www.google.co.uk/#q

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 12:34:31PM +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/03/2014 12:24, Richard Z. wrote: it says point, not node the difference probably needs to be emphasized very strongly. There is a difference between mathematicaly precise and intuitive formulations:(( https://www.google.co.uk/#q

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 02:00:36PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 09.03.2014 13:21, Richard Z. wrote: the same conceptual problem exists with pylons where they are shared by two bridges or aerial tramways. Actualy every pylon breaks the rule by definition because it connects ground

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 04:55:51PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 09.03.2014 14:18, Richard Z. wrote: Pylons must share a node with the waterway bellow in my opinion. They are a pretty relevant part of it. Pylons will often be somewhere within the riverbank area - based on their exact

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 10:26:59PM +, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 9 March 2014 10:30, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: for some time now I have been working on the wiki page to state the rules as clearly as possible.. hope that most of the improvements are fairly uncontroversial

Re: [OSM-talk] No Changeset Comments from iD

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 10:53:09PM -0800, Clifford Snow wrote: Why do I see so many new mappers make edits without a commit comment? Is it because iD doesn't prompt for a commit message? iD issue 1488 is open but not acted upon. I wonder why. Is it because the developers don't think commit

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, after all the discussion, the list has been created and I need a break from discussions about new tags:) ### Outdoor sports, wilderness and natural features mapping. Everything from scuba diving to paragliding, from undersea volcanoes to Mount Everest, related software and talk. Main

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:54:35AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: In the case of climatic zones and vegetation zones you could overlay / mash the osm data with an external dataset. Nobody will draw a map of climatic zones in a 1:500 scale, it doesn't make sense, but it is a scale where OSM

[OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, I want to propose a new mailing list. Currently we have serious gaps in modeling vegetation zones, climatic zones, geology, oceanography and most other natural phenomena. Also a mailing list for outdoor enthusiasts and outdoor sports does not seem to exist. So for the beginning I would

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:44:39PM +, SomeoneElse wrote: I want to propose a new mailing list. Currently we have serious gaps in modeling vegetation zones, climatic zones, geology, oceanography and most other natural phenomena. Also a mailing list for outdoor enthusiasts and outdoor

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 01:59:33PM +, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 05/03/2014 13:42, Richard Z. wrote: climatic zones vegetation zones soil biology vegetation layers Are any of these things verifiable? of course. Tons of literature about it. Are they relatively static or do

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 01:52:50PM +, Dave F. wrote: IMO that should be amalgamated back into the general lists. Occasionally tagging procedures get changed after brief discussions between very small select groups metaphorically huddled together in the corner of a room, that turn out to be

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:59:17PM +0100, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 05 March 2014, Richard Z. wrote: climatic zones vegetation zones soil biology vegetation layers Are any of these things verifiable? of course. Tons of literature about it. That is not what

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:04:10PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-03-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: As an example, we are having repeated discussions how to tag forrest but did not even start thinking about a generic concept how to map vegetation

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 07:16:36AM -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: How is this different from other tagging discussions? tagging discussion is only the last step. Before it can happen we need to have a pretty good model of what we want to map and then decide how it could be mapped. Most of us

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 08:44:54PM +0100, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 05 March 2014, Richard Z. wrote: oh yes. You can say the same about a forrest and almost anything in the real world. No, continuously changing properties exist for many features including for example

Re: [OSM-talk] new mailing list request - OSM outdoor/natural phenomena mapping

2014-03-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 08:41:06PM +, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 05/03/2014 20:30, Richard Z. wrote: despite beeing sometimes tricky I still consider it pretty important to know that a certain area is eg part of the tundra climate, permafrost or monsoon. ...and as I said, five messages

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