Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com wrote: Creating another instance of the OSM database and server is a very good idea. I would propose we make the purpose of this database to allow people post ANY geo data that is NOT part of the base map. It would be an open

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09/apr/2013 um 16:17 schrieb Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com wrote: Creating another instance of the OSM database and server is a very good idea. I would propose we make the purpose of this database to allow people

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-07 Thread ingalls
would some kind of meta OSM database be appropriate? +1 on this, I guess the challenge would be finding resources to host it. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think this

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-07 Thread Dave Sutter
Creating another instance of the OSM database and server is a very good idea. I would propose we make the purpose of this database to allow people post ANY geo data that is NOT part of the base map. It would be an open database for general GIS data. Some examples of random things people could do

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-07 Thread LM_1
That idea seems good to me: reasonably simple - not a new database for each usecase, but giving place to all that potentially useful data that is seen as unworthy for the main database. Some categories (category=sport/birds/metadata/...) would likely have to be created to allow filtering only some

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-07 Thread Dave Sutter
Yes, we would need tagging conventions like this so users can identify the data that is of interest to them. And relations would be useful to group geometry that goes together, such as the features associated with a particular bird migration study. On the technical side, I suppose access to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It's not only for outdated outlines. As said, it is not a map feature, it's just for some comfort during edition (would consider the same for mapping party cakes). What was the easiest and most pratical solution can be tolerated

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
We had a deployment of OSM Tasking Manager, and it gives you a possibility to make a task with boundaries taken from a OSM way. We used one of this imagery boundaries. It could be used for aligning imagery offset, for analysis of data frequency based on imagery availability, etc. I think this

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think this boundaries can be useful, but should be in some other database. Are there any other appropriate databases? That is, something with the same form (an OSM database) for stuff related to the OSM project, but not

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-02 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: So storing a few hundred extra ways in the database had been the easiest and most practical solution. The way do no harm to anybody. So just keep them for a while until all functionality has been migrated to

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-02 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 03:56:16PM -0300, ingalls wrote: I'm with everyone who is against adding this to the database although I agree that a mass edit is not the way to get rid of these. I'll go through I didnt mass-edit. I came past 2-3 boundarys which were all broken for a long time. So i

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-02 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 11:37:59AM +0200, Stephan Knauss wrote: Florian Lohoff writes: As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them. A better way of dealing with updated data in OSM is usually to fix and not to delete data. Had you considered mailing the users who created the original

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Stephan Knauss
Florian Lohoff writes: As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them. A better way of dealing with updated data in OSM is usually to fix and not to delete data. Had you considered mailing the users who created the original data before removing their work? In contrast to eg. underground

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Robin Paulson
On 2013-04-01 04:57, Clay Smalley wrote: This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way will become obsolete. I dont see a point in mapping this, and Im all data in the database is subject to change and will become obsolete, there is nothing unusual in that

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.dewrote: A better way of dealing with updated data in OSM is usually to fix and not to delete data. Mapping aerial imagery boundaries into OSM has always been controversial. And today, we have an alternative solution with

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/1 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de Florian Lohoff writes: As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them. A better way of dealing with updated data in OSM is usually to fix and not to delete data. Had you considered mailing the users who created the original data before

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread ingalls
Hello everyone, In response to everyone's concerns, as stated in my action plan above, the owner of each way was contacted to ask if removal was ok. As I stated in the pm I sent that, I will only delete the way if they say that I am good to do so or if they do not respond and based on their edits

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Pierre Béland
De : Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com À : Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de Cc : osm talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 1 avril 2013 6h20 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary? 2013/4/1 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de Florian Lohoff writes: As they were

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/1 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de Martin Koppenhoefer writes: Btw.: how many boundaries shall we tolerate? How much of your mapping shall I tolerate? It's always the same answer. Pay respect to other mappers. If the data is of use to other mappers, respect it. Even if you

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.dewrote: How much of your mapping shall I tolerate? It's always the same answer. Pay respect to other mappers. If the data is of use to other mappers, respect it. Even if you would not map it this way. I personally thing that

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-04-01 Thread ingalls
I'd like to reaffirm the following statement: +1, that's what I wrote. I thought the only question we're still discussing is how to deal with outdated outlines (better keep/ignore them when outdated so maybe someone can update them, or simply delete them). As I've said several times, I am

[OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread ingalls
Hey guys came across a really weird way. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280 Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it! ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread ingalls
It doesn't look like this is an isolated example, there are over a hundred of these http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/boundary=imagery#overview On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:35 PM, ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys came across a really weird way.

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Clifford Snow
I'd first asked the person that created the polygon before deleting. BTW - We don't have complete hi-res coverage from Bing. While many areas it may not matter, I've mapped in areas where better imagery would have been very helpful. Maybe we need to explore other avenues to obtain imagery in

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Clay Smalley
This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more experience before anything happens. On Mar 31, 2013 10:39 AM, ingalls

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
People use this geometry and get offended if you delete it. There is this page http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/, but vectors can be useful for some scenarios. I think a separate database would be the best solution. Janko ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-03-31 17:57, Clay Smalley wrote: This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more experience before anything happens.

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:35 PM, ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys came across a really weird way. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280 Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:57:41AM -0500, Clay Smalley wrote: This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more experience

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only low-resolution. I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better working

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread ingalls
I'm with everyone who is against adding this to the database although I agree that a mass edit is not the way to get rid of these. I'll go through them and contact the individual owners and see about getting as many as possible removed. If they don't respond after a reasonable time (a month or

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-03-31 19:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only low-resolution. I would not delete them. They serve a

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 31/mar/2013 um 20:56 schrieb ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com: I'll check if they actually represent areas of high-res imagery, if they don't, I'll remove them. If they still represent areas of high res imagery I'll grandfather them until they become outdated. Sound reasonable to

Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

2013-03-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
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