Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-13 Thread John F. Eldredge
Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:41:42 To: Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com Cc: Open Street Map mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) 2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-13 Thread John Smith
2010/1/14 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: I was responding to the definition of an office as somewhere a licensed professional works. I didn't disagree with you, but Steve thinks his definition of a map is the only one that matters and continues to tell people how and what they should

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office. For example, a medical doctor may work at an

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 20:47, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: In Italy JPs are something like a judge, and notary has the same meaning as the one Serge pointed out for France (i.e. part of the Judiciary, not an attorney, but needed for legally binding things) Being this OSM all about

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
2010/1/12 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 20:47, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: In Italy JPs are something like a judge, and notary has the same meaning as the one Serge pointed out for France (i.e. part of the Judiciary, not an attorney, but needed for

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for directories of all kinds, make sure our addressing works, and use

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But in the end, people are going to map what they want to map.  The best we can do is give them a set of tags which are easily ignored. Go stand in a corner. Steve ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it  :) A place where licensed professionals work? Sound good, I'll start

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a service.  But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would consider to be offices. My vet sells

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread John Smith
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a service.  But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office.  For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also work at a hospital. At that point we're really

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread John Smith
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office.  For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Alex S.
Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? In the USA, Notary is a secondary function/service (most bank branches here have notaries public on staff, for example). ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Liz
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Alex S. wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? In the USA, Notary is a secondary function/service (most bank branches here have notaries public on staff, for example). We have here an example of

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Instead of making proposals for office=lawyer and office=notary could someone consider starting a whole set I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Liz
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Pieren wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Instead of making proposals for office=lawyer and office=notary could someone consider starting a whole set I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Alex S. m...@swavely.com Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:25:29 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/8 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: In the USA, a Notary Public merely attests that the person who signed a document showed official identification to prove their identity matched the name on the document. The only notary in Australia that I know of is in the US embassy in Sydney.

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/8 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys. For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is: A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it  :) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/office 1. a room, set of rooms, or building where the business of a commercial or industrial organization or of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Mike Harris
(;) ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: David Paleino [mailto:da...@debian.org] Sent: 05 January 2010 19:48 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) John Smith wrote: 2010/1/6 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Yet the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
office=lawyer should definitely exist if it doesn't exist it should be added, any reason not to add this feature? On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 05.01.2010 17:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: I have found that only Turks have public notary as mapping feature (amenity=notary) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tr:Map_Features Do you think we should make this

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.01.2010 15:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not against amenity=notary, but it really has to be used more often ... I didn't use it BECAUSE it is not listed as legal POI on OSM wiki. Am I doing it wrong? I

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 06.01.2010 15:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: ... I didn't understand that people just use keys that they want no matter it there aren't listed in OSM features list on Wiki... ... If there's no such thing in the

[OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread Valent Turkovic
I have found that only Turks have public notary as mapping feature (amenity=notary) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tr:Map_Features Do you think we should make this a official mapping feature? What is the correct way making amenity=notary an official mapping feature? Cheers! -- pratite me

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread Alex Mauer
On 01/05/2010 11:42 AM, Pieren wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary service? Though that conflicts slightly with the service=* for

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Ah, Pieren touches on an issue which is

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
2010/1/6 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Yet the same English word notary. It gets even more fun in Australia, we have JPs (Justice of the Peace) to stamp/witness documents being signed, but in the US a JP is something like a judge. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Yeah, I agree amenity is overused. Also