Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Jo
spaetz schreef: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:11:18PM +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Jo
Cartinus schreef: On Thursday 12 June 2008 16:44:04 Sven Geggus wrote: We have a whole lot of them here in germany and they are usually paved or asphaltic ways, and they are different from unclassified, because they are usually narrow and have access for tractors and bykes only. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Jo
Sven Geggus schreef: Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... According to Map_Features, tracks are ALWAYS unpaved If this would be the case, what should be use for an agricultural serviceway (probably bad word by word translation of the german term Landwirtschaftlicher Weg)?

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Sven Geggus
spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use highway=track for paved roads sometime. In Switzerland these agricultural roads are sometimes of very high quality. Same in Germany Sven -- We don't know the OS that God uses, but the Vatican uses Linux (Sister Judith

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Karl Newman schrieb: Ah, so I only need 6249 more loonies! :-) Thanks for the data to back this up. I'm actually okay with the change, but I'm concerned with the cavalier manner in which it was done. The original Map_Features was put up in the same way. I don't see any problem here. It's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Tomáš Tichý
I´d like to point up proposal of new smoothness tag, which seems to solve the problems with tracktype and surface tags. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Smoothness It would be IMHO great solution for the track rendering problem, rendering could be also altered for special

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Martin Simon
Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 07:42:25 schrieb Karl Newman: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM, spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:34:06AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote: So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Michael Collinson
At 09:50 AM 6/13/2008, Sven Geggus wrote: spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use highway=track for paved roads sometime. In Switzerland these agricultural roads are sometimes of very high quality. Same in Germany An alternative is to use highway=service, surface=paved since they are access

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Marc Schütz
At 09:50 AM 6/13/2008, Sven Geggus wrote: spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use highway=track for paved roads sometime. In Switzerland these agricultural roads are sometimes of very high quality. Same in Germany An alternative is to use highway=service, surface=paved since they

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 13 June 2008 03:54:42 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, If there is some legal reason for it to be only accessible by bikes and tractors, then you'll need to use access restrictions (access=no;agriculture=yes;bicycle=yes;foot=yes) anyway, as there is nothing that says normal cars are

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Alex Mauer
Marc Schütz wrote: An alternative is to use highway=service, surface=paved since they are access roads within a property(?) just the same as universities, hospitals and industry. No, they are usually public ways, not within a property. I don't think that's necessarily true, and has no

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-13 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 23:24 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Frank Sautter wrote: i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a lot of people think having an arbitrary scale isn't very OSM-like, and that it's better to tag specific characteristics.

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Frank Sautter
Nick Whitelegg wrote: i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a lot of people think having an arbitrary scale isn't very OSM-like, and that it's better to tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Alex S.
Andy Allan wrote: Meh. It's on my list of things to do, but to be honest I don't see it as very important. There's lots of things that the cycle map doesn't render at all, and for one I see distinguishing onroad/offroad cycle routes as more important than the difference between tracktypes;

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 04:43:36AM -0700, Alex S. wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Meh. It's on my list of things to do, but to be honest I don't see it as very important. There's lots of things that the cycle map doesn't render at all, and for one I see distinguishing onroad/offroad cycle routes

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Alex S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Meh. It's on my list of things to do, but to be honest I don't see it as very important. There's lots of things that the cycle map doesn't render at all, and for one I see distinguishing onroad/offroad

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Umm... According to Map_Features, tracks are ALWAYS unpaved: unpaved/unsealed roads for agricultural use; gravel roads in the forest etc. There, your problem's solved--just avoid all tracks. I have fixed Map_Features. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ##

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Sven Geggus
Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... According to Map_Features, tracks are ALWAYS unpaved If this would be the case, what should be use for an agricultural serviceway (probably bad word by word translation of the german term Landwirtschaftlicher Weg)? We have a whole lot of them here in

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Martin Simon
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 12:11:48 schrieb Frank Sautter: Nick Whitelegg wrote: i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a lot of people think having an

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Ben Laenen
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved descriptions before having a discussion and a vote first... Greetings Ben On

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Sven Geggus wrote: We have a whole lot of them here in germany and they are usually paved or asphaltic ways, and they are different from unclassified, because they are usually narrow and have access for tractors and bykes only. They are simular to a highway=service, which I tended to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved descriptions before having a discussion and a vote first... Map Features is

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Ben Laenen schrieb: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved descriptions before having a discussion and a vote first... Most

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Karl Newman schrieb: So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's used, I'm going to change Map Features to reflect that. Okay, that's a bit extreme, but really, care should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's used, I'm going to change Map Features to reflect that. Okay, that's a bit extreme, but really, care should be taken when changing

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's used, I'm going to change Map Features to reflect

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Dirk-Lüder Kreie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Newman schrieb: So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's used, I'm going to change Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, It also shouldn't play host to graffiti. well, it's wiki so you can revert it. Some call it edit war, though :-) . Best regards, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Karl Newman schrieb: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course map features defines a kind of lingua franca for all mappers. But any language is subject to change. It's not a bible. It also shouldn't play host to graffiti. Funny that you think

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, What if I get a bunch of other nutters to help me? :-D What's the threshold for widespread use? You could hold a vote on that ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 12 June 2008 16:44:04 Sven Geggus wrote: We have a whole lot of them here in germany and they are usually paved or asphaltic ways, and they are different from unclassified, because they are usually narrow and have access for tractors and bykes only. If it is wide enough to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, If there is some legal reason for it to be only accessible by bikes and tractors, then you'll need to use access restrictions (access=no;agriculture=yes;bicycle=yes;foot=yes) anyway, as there is nothing that says normal cars are not allowed to use tracks of grade1 I don't know if this

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:11:18PM +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:highway=track and the map features mentioned track is only for unpaved/unsealed roads. To me it looks like it was approved like that, so please don't fix approved descriptions before

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:34:06AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote: So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's used, I'm going to change Map Features to reflect that. Okay, that's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-12 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM, spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:34:06AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote: So now I decide that since I drive really fast down my driveway, I should call it highway=motorway and start tagging driveways that way. Since that's how it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Sven Geggus
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. Despite of this it would IMO be still much mor appropriate to render tracktype=grade1 in the same form as highway=service. If we don't want to have mapnik render

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Frank Sautter
Frederik Ramm wrote: I am wondering why mapnik is makeing no attempt to render the different tracktypes we have in our mapdata. It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. well, i think obeying the tracktype would make the map nicer, as all those

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Sven Geggus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. Despite of this it would IMO be still much mor appropriate to render tracktype=grade1 in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frank Sautter wrote: i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a lot of people think having an arbitrary scale isn't very OSM-like, and that it's better to tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Frank Sautter: my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service grade2: continous brown line (maybe less bold than tracks are currently rendered) grade3: dashed brown line (the current style for tracks, maybe less bold) grade4:

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Frank Sautter wrote: i agree with you! my idea of how this should be rendered is: grade1: just like highway=service [...] It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a lot of people think having an arbitrary

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Andy Allan: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Sven Geggus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. Despite of this it would IMO be still

[OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-10 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello, I am wondering why mapnik is makeing no attempt to render the different tracktypes we have in our mapdata. What surprises me even more is that cyclemap is differentiate the tracktype in the renderer... This was probably discussed before, if yes, has anybody a pointer? Many thanks,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I am wondering why mapnik is makeing no attempt to render the different tracktypes we have in our mapdata. It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. This was probably discussed before, Very true: