Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-20 Thread Tirkon
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: ... They would like to link to us directly but don't think a) we can handle the load and b) don't think it would be a good user experience to dump people on to osm.org, what with the site design. Of those that would like to help us scale the servers, they don't

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
That's great! It's a useful way to present OSM and it demonstrates growing popularity I fully agree. I think we should ask them if we even can name them on the OpenStreetMap web site as reference case (and we might kindly ask them at the same time to put the attribution somemore in the

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tim McNamara wrote: [stuff about scope of share-alike] [stuff about whether a share-alike or an attribution-only licence is better] Hello Tim; you are new here, I think (and welcome!). There is a bit of prior discussion on this. About five years' worth, in fact. :) If you'd like to look

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Weait wrote: Sent: 16 June 2010 8:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote: Sent: 16 June 2010 6:22 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data Hi, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Interesting, they seem to have their own rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
16.06.2010 18:38, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: it might be OK or not, but generally we explain in our wiki how we like to be attributed in the web-context, that is supplying cc-by-sa linked to creative commons and Openstreetmap, not too difficult, is it? Apparently it is counter-intuitive at

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
So I've had phone and email chats with stephen wolfram about everything they're doing because incidentally I had an internship there a decade ago. They love OSM. What's good is we're at a nice tipping point with many who want to use OSM and help it succeed but are having trouble figuring out

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: There is a slight contradiction here though because the other thing I hear a lot is they'd like to try something with us but keep it quiet - i.e. try something small, but that's extremely hard with an open community. I find

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: There is a slight contradiction here though because the other thing I hear a lot is they'd like to try something with us but keep it quiet - i.e. try

[OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Frank Sautter
WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Cool. Is the license attribution they are using OK? Not according to the FAQ:

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 05:47:05PM +0200, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin I can't see anything about OSM on that page!? What does it show you? Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.comwrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? Down at the bottom of every W|A page they have a Source Information link. In there,

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
16.06.2010 17:47, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin That's great! It's a useful way to present OSM and it demonstrates growing popularity. If we want to reach a larger audience, we need to be present on search engines and the

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Imo, it is. They name OSM as a data source directly below the image and let you access osm.org when you click on the image. They also give more detailled attribution (with the license abbreviation and another link to osm.org) on the Source

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Joseph Reeves
It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: +1 It's really good to see OSM being used for something that isn't a pet project of someone in this community. It was great to go to WolframAlpha, type in my home town and see a map that I had

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Interesting, they seem to have their own rendering as well. A little yesterday perhaps with no slippy map and zooming via a dropdown but surely a good start. Should like to find out how

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Jörg Ehrichs
Am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010, um 18:41:36 schrieb Joseph Reeves: It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: +1 It's really good to see OSM being used for something that isn't a pet project of someone in this community. It was

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 18:00:11 Ian Dees wrote: Down at the bottom of every W|A page they have a Source Information link. In there, under the Mapping data source information they show OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA). » http://www.openstreetmap.org/ with a link to OpenStreetMap.org. Yeah. And that

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Cool. Is the license attribution they are using OK?

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Nice catch. That's super. Is the license attribution they are using OK? It looks good to me. Different from what we recommend for

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Tim McNamara
On 17 June 2010 03:47, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? I think it depends on whether you can seperate the map that Wolfram|Alpha have created from

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tim, Tim McNamara wrote: The whole thing creates a single creative work. The term single creative work is not used in the CC license text. Displaying OSM content and other content side-by-side does not form a work derived from OpenStreetMap according to community consensus. You need to do

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Tim McNamara
On 17 June 2010 10:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: The whole thing creates a single creative work. The term single creative work is not used in the CC license text. Displaying OSM content and other content side-by-side does not form a work derived from

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 June 2010 23:09, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Sorry if I've neglected to look into this issue in more detail. May I ask, which community consensus are you referring to? OSM or CC? My understanding was the intention behind a share-alike clause is to compel people using

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Thursday 17 June 2010 00:41:43 Grant Slater wrote: Things beyond the map data I am not interested in. Aw, c'mon. You ARE interested in beer and map cakes. :-P -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___