Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-15 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: this is what you say. I say sharing nodes of the forest and the road is actually the correct way to do it. In the beginning, I thought the same. Now I keep the node separate. It is just too cumbersome if you have to separate them later on. And you often have too.

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread Jannis Achstetter
Stephen Gower schrieb: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:31:32PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: I subscribe to the view that areas should correspond to the real area on the ground and mostly be kept clear of roadways. Placing an Area's Nodes near the adjacent Way's nodes helps make the

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jannis Achstetter wrote: Sent: 14 May 2008 8:05 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] area topology Stephen Gower schrieb: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:31:32PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: I subscribe to the view that areas should correspond to the real area

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Stephen Gower wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:31:32PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: A road is represented by a single way. Although the way has zero width in the database, it represents the whole width of the carriageway (pavement) and well as the pavement

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:25:39 +0200 Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the boundary of the forrest run in parallel to the road is actually the correct way to do it. this is what you say. I say sharing nodes of the forest and the road is actually the correct way to do it. Why can't people

[OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Ulf Mehlig
Please excuse me if this is a FAQ, I just didn't find an answer in the wiki (possibly because it is obvious) ... In topological GISses like grass, borders are shared between adjacent (vector) areas. However, I wonder how adjacent areas should be digitized in OSM (let's say, forests and

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Ulf Mehlig wrote: I think that using a street as a border of a plaza (or a block of buildings) is not wanted. Does one digitize double ways, leading along the same nodes, or does one make a separate area in a small distance to the existing line (street/stream), which might be topologically

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 13 May 2008, at 14:06, Ulf Mehlig wrote: Please excuse me if this is a FAQ, I just didn't find an answer in the wiki (possibly because it is obvious) ... In topological GISses like grass, borders are shared between adjacent (vector) areas. However, I wonder how adjacent areas should be

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Am I right in assuming that OSM ways always belong to one single area? Yes and no. Normally we don't map the borders between areas - we map tha areas themselves. So you would have one way that encloses the forest, and one way that encloses the adjacent farmland, and they would meet

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Shaun McDonald wrote: If you have a road and stream running parallel they would be entered as 2 ways that are parallel. The same happens for the carriageways of a motorway that are separated by a barrier. Well, let's say that this is also controversial and we had that discussion before.

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:31:32PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: I subscribe to the view that areas should correspond to the real area on the ground and mostly be kept clear of roadways. Placing an Area's Nodes near the adjacent Way's nodes helps make the map easier to maintain.

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, The issue is especially contended when it comes to linear features   straddling areas, like a road that forms the forest boundary for a   bit. I would re-use the same nodes here, but there are people who say   that this would indicate the forest stretching up to the road   centreline

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, The issue is especially contended when it comes to linear features straddling areas, like a road that forms the forest boundary for a bit. I would re-use the same nodes here, but there are people who say that this would indicate the forest stretching up to

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Stephen Hope
Says who? The boundary of the forest IS the road. :) This is one of religious discussions - both sides KNOW they are right, and no amount of discussion is going to change things. Unless we have a central decision making force of some sort lay down the law, (in OSM - hah!) you'll continue to