Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The

[OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Hi all, I'm aware that this topic is somehow delicate, but I was quite astonished when I had a look at Cloudmade's Terms and Conditions http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions espescially Part 6: * ### 6. Ownership; Proprietary Rights.* As between the Parties, the CloudMade Site including the

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available. But if you do choose to distribute it, or anything derived from it, it

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The claim copyright on graphics and design and restrict just the map data to cc-by-sa. IMHO that inhebits e.g. that I take a screenshot of their map and put it on my website. Looking at the legal faq in the

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com If so, that's just silly. really? This term here: (but excluding the Map Data, which are governed solely under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 2.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/) seems to do

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:58:35 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: fine, but to me it seems it doesn't care for the viral aspects of our current license, that is: every derived work (derived from our data) must have the same license: cc-by-sa 2.0 A website is no derived work

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com A website is no derived work of a map presented in it. It is not adding any data to the map or changing the map itself in a significant way. Merely including something is not relevant. Just like Linux-Distributions containing non-free software and

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: really? Ja rly. If every website that wanted to use OSM data was forced to open license the entire rest of their site, all their artwork etc, it would be a massive disencentive to using it. Also, don't

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns
2009/12/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer Ja rly. If every website that wanted to use OSM data was forced to open license the entire rest of their site, all their artwork etc, it would be a massive disencentive to using it. If I

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.comwrote: If I understand him correctly he is not talking about website or any additional tools but about rastered MAP tiles! but excluding the Map Data It's pretty clear. Steve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafriks at gmail.comwrote: If I understand him correctly he is not talking about website or any additional tools but about rastered MAP tiles! but excluding the Map Data It's pretty clear. Martin is correct.

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available.