Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-13 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Brian Quinion wrote: island=yes|no I like the idea of marking this, but may I suggest traffic_island or pedestrian_refuge instead? Does this mean any pedestrian refuge in the road, or just those with some other crossing stuff like traffic signals or zebra striping? I'd love to be able to re-use

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Brian Quinion wrote: I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Brian Quinion
I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if you have already split out the various

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: Oh, I can think of a way. Yep, I can definitely think of some shorthand tags for the most common crossing types. Trouble is, as soon as I mention it, everyone starts uncontrollably ranting. But that's the problem right? That no-one outside the UK

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: Seems sensible to me to have a shorthand. So where you have a type of crossing that's for cyclists and pedestrians but not horses nor canoes, and it's controlled by traffic lights (as opposed to not being controlled at all), we could do with a shorthand way to tag it because

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: Oh, I can think of a way. Yep, I can definitely think of some shorthand tags for the most common crossing types. Trouble is, as soon as I mention it, everyone starts

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Seems sensible to me to have a shorthand. So where you have a type of crossing that's for cyclists and pedestrians but not horses nor canoes, and it's controlled by traffic lights (as opposed to not

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Dave Stubbs wrote: You just said that to the one guy who's actually writing rendering rules which use this tag. Well done there. Yeah, he's free to make use of his shortcuts on his own rendering system. That doesn't make those shortcuts globally useful. -Alex Mauer hawke

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Brian Quinion wrote: The only problems I can see is that because it is centralised it is somewhat out of user control - so maybe it should make sense to pull the list of presets from a wiki page (once a day?) and there would be a small amount of server side load to implement it. That would

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Dave Stubbs wrote: Some of us really couldn't care less either way. Frankly, please stop talking about it -- you're not getting anywhere. Actually, I think some fairly insightful suggestions have been made and it is a useful discussion. You don't _have_ to read this thread if you don't care

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Brian Quinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll have a go at implementing a local macro system in JOSM and see how well it works then it can be extended to pull from the server if it seems worth having. Well, JOSM already supports preset files which can be

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Quinion wrote: The only problems I can see is that because it is centralised it is somewhat out of user control - so maybe it should make sense to pull the list of presets from a wiki page (once a day?) and there

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-08 Thread Alex L. Mauer
Steve Hill wrote: It seems to me that instead of referring to a crossing by name, we should just list its properties. e.g. something like: highway=crossing crossing=uncontrolled|traffic_signals island=yes|no bicycle=yes|no foot=yes|no horse=yes|no +1. This is almost exactly what the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-07 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not interested in tagging animal crossings. Naturally I'm not going to try to document the intricacies of british naming conventions for their road crossings when: I will never have occasion to use them as I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Heh. While in london someone tried to explain to me what was so special about all these crossing types. They have names for crossings that here in NL would normal. A crossing with a separate light for bikes, that's like every crossing in NL.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Road crossings proposal[0], appears to be in limbo, and I'm wondering if the correct procedure as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features has been followed. It appears

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, * Some people started tagging *and rendering* crossings, using a particular tagging scheme. * Some other people, who weren't actually out doing the work, started complaining about what was going on [1] May I take this as a cue to suggest a complete overhaul of the whole RfC/vote/etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: [2] Another brilliant example of how people make themselves feel useful by doing the trivially easy bit, c.f. tracing from Yahoo with no intention of naming the roads. I'm just going to voice an opinion (feel free to ignore it :) - putting roads on the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
11:28 Para: Andy Allan CC: osm Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status? On Tue, 6 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: [2] Another brilliant example of how people make themselves feel useful by doing the trivially easy bit, c.f. tracing from Yahoo with no intention

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally agree. A map is basically a drawing, so the most important thing is the shape of the ways themselves. I would sooner say that the trivial part is adding the place-names. No. Quite simply No.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advice would be to document the predominant use of the tag first, Putting my wiki skills where my mouth is: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:crossing - hopefully useful to show what's in the db as we debate the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: * Some people started tagging *and rendering* crossings, using a particular tagging scheme. * Some other people, who weren't actually out doing the work, started complaining about what was going on [1] * This second group made an extremely detailed (or overcomplicated,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I see it differently. As I recall: *Some people said this is the way it will be. Since they have dev access, they also added their method to the rendering system, Let me be blunt: I don't have dev access, and I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I see it differently. As I recall: *Some people said this is the way it will be. Since they have dev access, they also added their method to the rendering system, Let me be blunt: I don't have

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Let me be blunt: I don't have dev access, and I don't have SVN access either. So stop with the moaning, and get your facts straight. I didn't say you personally did that. But if the group of people

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I see it differently. As I recall: *Some people said this is the way it will be. Since they have dev access, they also

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
Fair enough; I missed that because I didn't read below your signoff (which happened to be at the break in my mailreader). So, OK, there's another 60 beyond what I found in tagwatch. Who wants to bet they're all in the UK, and those 60 were added since tagwatch was updated on 12 April?

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Alex Mauer
Dave Stubbs wrote: Some more stats for you on the end of the mail. looking at your stats, I count the same 478 tags following Andy's original mailing list post consisting exclusively of the animal-based system. (+refuge, but that was apparently never used at all.) And I count 157 following