Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Have you not noticed how your posts are becoming repetitious? If by that you mean, Thanks Steve for your insights on moderation, I think you have now clearly communicated your point of view, then, good, I'll stop. If it was

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: You realize tightly moderate and issues of all nature are somewhat contradictory, do you? Not at all. Personal attacks, repetition, off-topic remarks, spamminess, me-tooism - none of this comes under issues of all natures.

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-25 Thread Dave F.
On 25/08/2010 07:45, Steve Bennett wrote: Not at all. Personal attacks, repetition, off-topic remarks, spamminess, me-tooism - none of this comes under issues of all natures. Picture the town hall meeting style that has become popular in politics. Questions on almost any topic are allowed, but

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-23 Thread Chris Browet
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 05:21, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: But every opinions should have a place to voice themselves, shouldn't they? No. Not all opinions are helpful. And certainly, sheer volume of

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: But every opinions should have a place to voice themselves, shouldn't they? No. Not all opinions are helpful. And certainly, sheer volume of opinions is unhelpful. If Talk becomes moderated/censured, where would that be?

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Chris Browet
A well-moderated list can be a valuable forum for achieving consensus, rather than just a soapbox for every opinion to be voiced. But every opinions should have a place to voice themselves, shouldn't they? If Talk becomes moderated/censured, where would that be? Wouldn't it better to create

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0200, Chris Browet wrote: If Talk becomes moderated/censured, where would that be? Wouldn't it better to create specific, on-topic moderated lists (and moderate the existing ones) rather than moderating Talk, whose topic is not obvious? Then people who

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Chris Browet
Most of the topic‐focused lists are sane. I think the point is, legal discussion is swamping the talk list, and there are already lists specifically for legal discussion and therefore better suited to the topic. Is this moderating stuff all about the license change? If so, and I know

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread 80n
Simon The license change is the biggest single issue facing OSM at this time. There are frequently complaints that people have not been aware that it was happening. Shunting it off to legal-talk@ could be construed as a way of helping the process to happen by stealth and attrition. For the

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
Am 20.08.2010 12:36, schrieb Chris Browet: Do you honestly think the Nearmap announcement should have been posted to Legal, with only a fraction of OSM'ers aware? I don't think so. Not the announcement but the discussion, I think. Peter ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:36:18PM +0200, Chris Browet wrote: Is this moderating stuff all about the license change? No, that’s just the current example. If so, and I know others agree, it should certainly NOT be moderated on Talk. I disagree. (Although, seeing as there is call for an

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:01:02PM +0100, 80n wrote: The license change is the biggest single issue facing OSM at this time. There are frequently complaints that people have not been aware that it was happening. Shunting it off to legal-talk@ could be construed as a way of helping the process

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-20 Thread Chris Browet
This thread should be moved to legal. I saw the words ODbL and Contributor Terms :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-19 Thread 80n
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions. So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions.  So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate moderation

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Avis
We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions. So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate moderation mechanism until it is proved to be necessary. -- Ed Avis

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:34 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The list has become sane again, and I've not had to use any Evil Powers. But, is this what you want going forward? My own inclination is that list moderators are elected per list for, say, a one year period. But I suspect