Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Therefore I would explicitly recommend that the way starts at the turn-stile following the direction of passing through it, as you will never turn back once passed, while you might always turn back before you pass it. You can add this to the wiki as a recommendation

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Vikas Yadav schrieb: I made this icon for JOSM. My not an artist. This is the top with walls on both sides. Hi Vidas! I'm not an artist as well. Anyway, I've took your icon as an inspiration (your icon looked blurred when scaled down to 16*16 pixels) and added a similar one to the JOSM

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Markus Lindholm
2009/8/8 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Mike Harris wrote: And I still don't think turnstile is in any way a type of stile any more than a stile is a type of gate. +1 The English word for turnstiles may end with stile for some reason I don't understand, but that doesn't mean it

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:03, Markus Lindholm wrote: 2009/8/8 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Mike Harris wrote: And I still don't think turnstile is in any way a type of stile any more than a stile is a type of gate. +1 The English word for turnstiles may end with stile for some reason

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/11 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A footway going through it with the tag oneway=yes? yes, or a

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Aug 2009, at 17:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/11 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A footway

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Shaun McDonald wrote: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A footway going through it with the tag oneway=yes? oneway=yes isn't a good idea, as oneway is

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Shaun McDonald wrote: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A footway going through it with the tag oneway=yes?

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Aug 2009, at 17:39, Tobias Knerr wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A footway going through it with the tag

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/11 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: On 11 Aug 2009, at 17:39, Tobias Knerr wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: Another property that turnstiles have is that usually one can pass in only one direction. But how that is going to be tagged if a turnstile is just a node I have no idea. A

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd therefore use something like foot[backward]=no (or whatever syntax for conditional tagging is your personal favourite) on that footway leading through the turnstile. does this imply to split the way on the stile? Do you split it on either side? This can be

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:01, Tobias Knerr wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: oneway=yes isn't a good idea, as oneway is generally assumed to / not/ affect pedestrians. (Or how many of you actually add an exception for pedestrians when mapping a highway with oneway=yes?) The exception being

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd therefore use something like foot[backward]=no (or whatever syntax for conditional tagging is your personal favourite) on that footway leading through the turnstile. does this imply to split the way on the stile? Do

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: This can be applied to any way as long as that way needs to be used when passing the stile. The stile should be a node on that way, but whether it is the first/last node or any node inbetween doesn't matter at all. I see this differently as the restriction does not

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Shaun McDonald wrote: oneway=yes isn't a good idea, as oneway is generally assumed to /not/ affect pedestrians. (Or how many of you actually add an exception for pedestrians when mapping a highway with oneway=yes?) The exception being highways that are for pedestrians, i.e. footway and

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: This can be applied to any way as long as that way needs to be used when passing the stile. The stile should be a node on that way, but whether it is the first/last node or any node inbetween doesn't matter at all. I see

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-08 Thread Mike Harris
If I understand rightly, this sounds like barrier=turnstile? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:delta_foxt...@yahoo.com] Sent: 26 July 2009 16:16 To: osm-talk; vi...@thevikas.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier --- On Sun, 26/7/09, ヴィカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-08 Thread Mike Harris
_ From: Vikas Yadav [mailto:vi...@thevikas.com] Sent: 26 July 2009 17:35 To: Karl Newman Cc: osm-talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier Exactly this: Full-height turnstiles in the same wikipedia page. Ones here are just a metre high without a roof. Ill use barrier=stile

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-08 Thread Mike Harris
'. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:delta_foxt...@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 July 2009 06:26 To: Vikas Yadav; Shaun McDonald Cc: osm-talk; Karl Newman Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier --- On Sun, 26/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: I think

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-08 Thread Mike Harris
...@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 July 2009 08:47 To: Shaun McDonald Cc: Vikas Yadav; osm-talk; Karl Newman Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 27 Jul 2009, at 04:43, John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 26/7/09, Vikas Yadav vi...@thevikas.com wrote: btw, JOSM does not recognize turnstile while it had an icon for stile. Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. there is no official turnstile tag

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need to file bugs on all types of stiles? or would it be better to list it as barrier=stile and subtype? Remember that in OSM you can

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need to file bugs on all types of stiles? or would it be better to list it as

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Vikas Yadav
I made this icon for JOSM. My not an artist. This is the top with walls on both sides. 2009/7/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, ヴィカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a park barrier like this: Like its made of metal, circular in shape, two perpendicular diagonals separator, rotates and prevents any sort of vehicles including cycles to be brought in. Only one person can enter

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread Chris Hill
Sounds like a turnstile. It's not yet in the list of barriers, but the list can be extended. Cheers, Chris (vikas yadav) wrote: Hi, Is there a park barrier like this: Like its made of metal, circular in shape, two perpendicular diagonals separator, rotates and prevents any sort of

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread Karl Newman
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 26/7/09, ヴィカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a park barrier like this: Like its made of metal, circular in shape, two perpendicular diagonals separator, rotates and prevents any

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread Vikas Yadav
Exactly this: Full-height turnstiles in the same wikipedia page. Ones here are just a metre high without a roof. Ill use barrier=stile for these gates. Thanks a lot. Vikas 2009/7/26 Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.comwrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread Shaun McDonald
I think that you should use barrier=turnstile, otherwise data users will think they are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile Shaun On 26 Jul 2009, at 17:34, Vikas Yadav wrote: Exactly this: Full-height turnstiles in the same wikipedia page. Ones here are just a metre high without a roof. Ill

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread Vikas Yadav
Thanks. changed my gates to turnstile. btw, JOSM does not recognize turnstile while it had an icon for stile. 2009/7/27 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk I think that you should use barrier=turnstile, otherwise data users will think they are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile Shaun

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Vikas Yadav vi...@thevikas.com wrote: btw, JOSM does not recognize turnstile while it had an icon for stile. there is no official turnstile tag with OSM, stile is the same thing. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: I think that you should use barrier=turnstile, otherwise data users will think they are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile Turnstiles were originally used, like other forms of stile, to allow human beings to pass whilst