Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations
On 6 Jul 2009, at 21:24, Melchior Moos wrote: Hi, 2009/7/6 Brian Prangle bpran...@googlemail.com I've experimented with the section of the West Coast Mainline between B'ham New St and B'ham International: I've added a train (i.e service) relation with ref=WCML and also a railway (i.e physical) relation with ref =17.01 ( the SRS for the section of track) to see how it rendered in opnvkarte. I'd appreciate people's opinions now the render engine has caught up. Personally I don't like it and I think the physical stuff is better tagged on the ways; opnvkarte is a public transport map and should show services My interest in infrastructure relations is not very high, the only reason I'm rendering them is, that there were (or maybe are) some service routes that are tagged with route=railway. Rendering them enables people to see the fault. The main focus of öpnvkarte lies on the service relations. I think the problem is that we are using the term Route for at least two different things. Are there not reasons why one might what to create a relation for the West Coast Main Line 'infrastructure/ physical/track' or the East Suffolk Line 'infrastructure/physical/ track' or a particular SRS section 'infrastructure/physical/track' as distinct from path used by a particular rail operator or by a particular public transport service? Should we not provide a way of doing both even if both are not always populated? Why do we not proposed a different way of coding relations for the railways, SRS sections etc and ensure that these are not rendered on opnvkarte rather than dump the whole idea? Personally I see this being a very useful piece of information about the Peterborough to Ely line and like the way the relation overlays on the slippery map for more detail: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/142758 (relation for Peter to Ely line) I have done something similar for the Cambridgeshire Guided Busway which I have found very useful http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/164711 Regards, Peter regards, Melchior ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[talk-ph] looking GPS POI/icons for OSM-PH garmin gps map
Hi, Sorry for the appeal (not entirely osm related) The next phase for my osm sub-project OSM-PH GPS map, is to create custom icons and other styles for the map. I am currently compiling and creating several icons for this. What I want is to create custom icons for Philippine POIs with the following this basic guide: - very simple and easily recognizable on small screens - size 16 by 16 pixels - for commonly used icons (i.e. Parking), it should conform to international conventions - brand neutral (shell, petron and caltex will use the same icon) Several icons in my wishlist are: - bank with a Peso sign - toll booths - gate - cave_entrance - different icons for grocery, supermarket, shopping mall, convenience - vulcanizing :) - various public buildings If anyone is interested to contribute (any Illustrator/Inkscape expert here?), I (desparately) need your help. If you intend to donate your own icons, I would like to request you to explicitly allow a Public Domain license. This way, we can release the full icon set and allow others to use it. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] adding building address from company websites
Is it copyright violation when I look at company websites and add the address information in OSM buildings added in Makati (most websites have a tiny copyright notice at the bottom of the webpage)? To clarify, I don't want individual tenant's addy, just the building itself. Thanks to neilnacario the Makati CBD building footprints are almost complete. What's missing is address information. disclosure: I've been itching to add address search in the OSM-PH Garmin GPS map, but can't simply because we lack addressing info. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] The transfer application form is currently with the UK Intellectual Property Office and should get processed any day soon. It seems however that all that does is update the IPO's registry records. A separate assignment is required to actually transfer the IP from Steve to OSMF. This is in hand, and will probably be dealt with at Thursday's board meeting. 80n We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Proper_Trademark_Use [1] Satanic Portal might also be a trade mark owned by Steve Coast but I don't see it listed. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/search.htm?words=satanic +portal ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Richard Weait wrote: The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. Yes, recently we (OSI) asked Fedora if we could reuse their trademark guidelines with appropriate modifications for our (OSI) trademark (the green keyhole). I expect that the OSMF would get the same permission. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM map usage
Can someone drop Alan a line with some pointers. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Alan Rowe [mailto:a...@potting-shed-cartoons.co.uk] Sent: 07 July 2009 1:28 PM To: secret...@osmfoundation.org Subject: OSM map usage Hi Andy, I work as an self employed illustrator on the Isle of Wight. I am often asked to draw illustrated maps, these are usually of a 'cartoon' nature or are of privately owned concerns such as this example http://www.cartoons.plus.com/ps68.htm However, recently I have two enquirerys, one for an illustrated cycling book and a town trail, both of which required pretty accurate maps. Having studied the terms of use I am still unclear as to the usage of the OSM maps. Is it the case that I can use the maps as a basis (not reproduced as they are) for a hand illustrated map? and is it also the case that I must give a credit to OSM and make any maps available to whoever wants them? both of these terms seem very reasonable to me and I'd be happy to abide by them. I would be very grateful for some help/clarity with these issues as I certainly don't want to infringe any rights or tread all over the good nature of the whole project. Regards, Al PS. the cycling book would be a commercial, small scale local publication and the Town Trail is a non-profit local organisation. -- Alan Rowe www.potting-shed-cartoons.co.uk t: 01983 520402 m: 07761246478 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM integrated into exhibits at museums?
Hi, Sarah Manley wrote: Does anyone know of any museums (science/art/cultural), or cultural centers that have used/displayed OSM? I am was curious if others knew any work that has occurred or is in the process. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chiulongina/sets/72157614772368973/ I don't have any detail beyond what is on the site though. It's at the ZKM (centre for art and media technology) here in Karlsruhe. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!
My entry, using 5-7-5 metre and traditional kigo (seasonal reference): Morning time, birds tweet In Amsterdam I will too Using @steev8 Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Iván Sánchez Ortega Sent: Fri 03/07/2009 11:21 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!! El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Maarten Deen escribió: Lovely maps, wonderful maps Maps-and-maps-and-maps-and-maps Lovely maps, wonderful maps Ma-a-a-aps Ma-a-a-a-ps Ma-a-a-a-ps MA-A-A-A-APS!!! Maps Bacon and maps Maps, maps, eggs, bacon and maps -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es El que vive no debe luchar con los muertos.- Torcuato Tasso. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
Hi all, what I meant with my proposal is not any sort of an agreesive email to the mapmaker users or anything like that. It's just a message telling them the existence of OSM, their advantages over Google Maps (availability of the nodes, open source license, good for tourism, good for local business, etc) After writing to let's say 10 people , I realized that only 1 if 10 knew OSM and that person had tried long time ago (3 years ago). What i mean is that most of them they used Google Maps because they are willing to contribute but they didn't know any other option. These guys have the spirit of OSM mappers, so you don't need to convince them why they should map, they are already very motivated to. Best Regards. Ivan. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Oh this is a good one. :) -i had to add my 2 sence. OSM is already better than gmaps :) anyway, our aim is not to convince gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better. What we can do is be printing out the map and giving it out to bikeshops, hotels, tourist offices for free. My guess is that in 2 years time, we will have most of the planet covered, and google will be able to can NavTeq. The only reason that they cant right now, is because OSM is not complete enough. -agreed? 'cause right now, we need all 3 -users; mappers and developers. As we all know that its only after the basic things get mapped that more people join in. Happy Mapping! Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 7/6/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote: By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... - Chriis - I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors directly is not the way. Regards Aun Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better. Maybe in your area, but speaking from experience Australia is very poorly mapped out except for metro areas. There is large areas that look empty but really aren't, there is back roads all over the place, they just haven't been mapped out for the most part. The reasons for the lack of mapping is Australian Government not releasing maps made with public funding, poor resolution sat imagery and lack of people and/or resources to map them out with GPS. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip
On 02/07/09 20:53, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
People care because it has been standardized and is being implemented
by major players: http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html
Here's a bookmarklet which will geolocate you using the API, and
redirect you to a map of your location with a marker:
javascript:navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(function(a){c=a.coords;window.location=http://www.osm.org/?zoom=15mlat=+c.latitude+mlon=+c.longitude;},function(){alert(Rejected!)});
(Thanks to Johnathan Nightingale for the inspiration and code:
http://blog.johnath.com/2009/06/24/google-maps-geolocation-bookmarklet/ )
But we should really be doing object detection and adding a Find Me
button for appropriate browsers to the main OSM web page.
Gerv
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Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip
On 06/07/09 10:51, Frankie Roberto wrote: The most obvious implementation we could do would be where users visit the slippy map without having a location set in their cookie. Currently we guess at a location via IP address, but it would be good (and not difficult) to use the geolocation API here instead, falling back on the existing IP-based method if the API isn't present or if the user declines to authorise permission. The trouble with that is that in all supporting browsers, the first thing people will get when visiting OSM is some sort of prompt. Also, I can imagine visiting OSM, starting to find where I want on the map, then noticing Oh, it wants to know where I am, clicking Sure, no problem and being taken _away_ from where I wanted to look. I think a Find Me button is better UI. A final scenario is where the user is in motion, and wants the map to pan so that it 'follows' their movements. Find Me, when clicked, scrolls to the appropriate place and adds a marker. It then, under the covers, keeps asking for an updated location and moving the marker if necessary, but does not scroll the map unless Find Me is pressed again. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM schedules
Hi, did anyone have any luck with printing the schedules from the stateofthemap.org site? It's all some Javascript magick that generates PDFs on the fly it seems but those PDFs are always empty (except the headline) on my machine... are the schedules accessible in plain text/HTML or nonmagic PDF somewhere? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OpenAerialMap service dead?
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:33:05 +0200 (CEST), Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: n others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos? I think the best would be to submit rectified photo's with a World file; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file So, how do you rectify your photos? I tried to find a way quite a while ago but could not find any tools to do it that did not require weeks of intensive learning. Not a single graphical tool that allowed clicking on matching points at all. Marcus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OpenAerialMap service dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:33:05 +0200 (CEST), Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: n others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos? I think the best would be to submit rectified photo's with a World file; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file So, how do you rectify your photos? I tried to find a way quite a while ago but could not find any tools to do it that did not require weeks of intensive learning. Not a single graphical tool that allowed clicking on matching points at all. Marcus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTH4gACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2LZwCaAwae2vyvEsJ8EUmnkInn1vex MDwAn0ZEGkvqUE2EfKtFCGXGE7A7a3cc =Wzvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OpenAerialMap service dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: So, how do you rectify your photos? Hugin is very capable of doing it now; but we are actually planning to extend it to make a more user friendly interface. I tried to find a way quite a while ago but could not find any tools to do it that did not require weeks of intensive learning. Not a single graphical tool that allowed clicking on matching points at all. Did you see the webbased tools th basically show you al already rectified image from for example Yahoo, Google, etc. and you mark this point on your photo? Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTH/8ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1iDwCdHj0gulfVpDHMB4piXhr/hPKv Xa8AoIpX66KOHYBEffZ6UUJ2ub9Tbz2X =6Va2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] travel to SOTM
2009/7/7 Frédéric Bonifas fredericboni...@gmail.com: Hi, I have just registered for SOTM and I will be coming from Lyon (France). I will travel on Friday. Before booking the train (what is quite expensive), I would like to know if someone is coming by car from Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium or western part of Germany by car on Friday, so we can share the travel expenses. I'm having the same issue (that is I'm not going by car myself but am rather hoping that someone is going by car and willing to share). I'm going from Tübingen (South of Stuttgart, South-Western-Germany) probably on Friday but Thursday would be fine as well. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Proper_Trademark_Use [1] Satanic Portal might also be a trade mark owned by Steve Coast but I don't see it listed. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/search.htm?words=satanic +portal ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 12:35 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: We've set up a new web site highlighting prime examples of OSM mapping, basically just as an aid for demonstrating OSM to others (we always end up showing them the same cool spots anyway). Check out bestofosm.org, and tell us if you have any additions! Very nice, Jochen. I like the pedestrian map at University of Maryland. Routing includes filters to avoid steep inclines or steps. Handy for those riding a Segway[1] on campus. http://map.umd.edu/map/ [1] There might be another intended use I suppose. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] The transfer application form is currently with the UK Intellectual Property Office and should get processed any day soon. It seems however that all that does is update the IPO's registry records. A separate assignment is required to actually transfer the IP from Steve to OSMF. This is in hand, and will probably be dealt with at Thursday's board meeting. 80n We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Proper_Trademark_Use [1] Satanic Portal might also be a trade mark owned by Steve Coast but I don't see it listed. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/search.htm?words=satanic +portal ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#History I'm looking forward to seeing New Zealand fully complete. (It looks like it will be done faster than Canada though :( ... with the LINZ data, and other other stuff. I'd sort of expect NZ to be done before AU and CA using GPS only methods simply due to population to land area, AU and CA are both huge land masses with sparsely populated areas. From 1 person mapping in an area.. it grows exponentially as more people see the value and potential in the map... they add it. :) Yes... Everything works in theory :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM schedules
I've added an instruction to the page now. martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: Hi Frederik, Have you set the print range to Ten Days, rather than just today? Shaun On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, did anyone have any luck with printing the schedules from the stateofthemap.org site? It's all some Javascript magick that generates PDFs on the fly it seems but those PDFs are always empty (except the headline) on my machine... are the schedules accessible in plain text/HTML or nonmagic PDF somewhere? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Dear All, I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the magnifier on a map one) for a go to openstreetmap.org button in an iPhone app. It looks like the logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this. Quoting this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm posting here. Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice? please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. cheers, matt PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] camptocamp.org data available !
Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that the french association camptocamp.org [1], which is dedicated to mountain sports, is giving us the right to digitalize data from its WMS server. FYI, the database is worth 9750 summits, 1720 climbing sites, 1060 huts, 2100 parkings (=hiking starting points) around the world, and is being collaboratively edited by more than 20500 users. Since June 1st, all these data are made available under the terms of the CC BY-SA licence [2]. From now on, you may use this URL with JOSM's WMS plugin : http://www.camptocamp.org/cgi-bin/c2corg4osm?service=wmsformat=image/pngrequest=getmapversion=1.1.1layers=osm Note that osm layer aggregates the layers summits, huts, parkings, sites and routes, but you are free to use them independently too. Each feature is represented by a small icon, and a label showing the tags ele, name and c2c:id to use when digitizing. A source:camptocamp.org tag should be added too when the data is merely copied, and not interpreted. Thank's to them for this great contribution ! F. [1] http://www.camptocamp.org/ [2] in french : http://www.camptocamp.org/articles/169461/fr/modifications-des-licences-sur-camptocamp-org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Matt Amoszerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? he would need a (copyright) license to use GPL-covered work in a non-GPL software, and this is what I guess you just gave, and a trademark license to use a trademark that belongs to somebody else is your app closed-source? I believe that the iPhone/iTunes store terms aren't really compatible with opensource licenses, expecially copyleft ones just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. this is very bad advice: trademark owners are forced to sue people who use their logo without authorization, or they risk losing it the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. and this is why most open source communities who own trademarks have guidelines that give automatic permission to use the logo for what is clearly not abuse, so that people can ignore the practicalities of requesting permission and happily use it, while keeping said trademark safe and available to prevent abuse. Am I right believing that after the transfer issue is resolved, we are going to get said guidelines, and it's mostly a matter of time? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Species names (was: Potted plants vs. garden beds)
Ed Avis eda at waniasset.com writes:
Rather than plant_type=orange_tree or similar, I think it would make more sense
to tag plants and trees with the scientific (Latin) name of their species or
hybrid. These are already standardized and the local language translations
('citrus x sinensis' = 'en:orange', 'es:naranja') are also standard, and can
be
looked up by the map renderer rather than duplicated for every orange tree on
the map.
I don't expect individual plants will be tagged very often (even the Germans
have not added the 'unter den' linden trees) but for managed forests and
perhaps
farmland it might be useful.
I thought of mentioning zoo animals but I thought it too silly. But look:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.50826lon=13.33929zoom=17layers=B000FTF
I think this would be better tagged with scientific names for the animals rather
than 'name' holding the local-language names. Then the mapnik rendering rules
can be extended with little icons for penguins, polar bears and so on. We could
even have little fish swimming in the oceans like the maps in olden days.
I'd like to map London Zoo one day so perhaps then a wiki page and vote can be
made for how to tag animal enclosures and wildlife.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:07:03AM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 12:35 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: We've set up a new web site highlighting prime examples of OSM mapping, basically just as an aid for demonstrating OSM to others (we always end up showing them the same cool spots anyway). Check out bestofosm.org, and tell us if you have any additions! Very nice, Jochen. I like the pedestrian map at University of Maryland. Routing includes filters to avoid steep inclines or steps. Handy for those riding a Segway[1] on campus. http://map.umd.edu/map/ Great suggestion. Just added it. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jochen Topf wrote: Great suggestion. Just added it. :-) I would like to mention something that had big coverage aswell before: The Dutch (Amsterdam) Zoo, Artis. http://bestofosm.org/?type=Mapniklon=4.91619lat=52.36590zoom=17 Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTOS8ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3uhQCfYmytVqEnwV7d4woNaApOWHz0 rA4AnRIpqKDqIfUyqfcBI2xhQVFOSB5o =iZlT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
Great! Very useful for presentations and workshops as well. Love it. How about zoos? * Antwerp http://osm.org/go/0EpZNzMEN- * Berlin http://osm.org/go/0MZu8WGXg- * Amsterdam http://osm.org/go/0...@61hts- There's bound to be more micromapped zoos! martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: We've set up a new web site highlighting prime examples of OSM mapping, basically just as an aid for demonstrating OSM to others (we always end up showing them the same cool spots anyway). Check out bestofosm.org, and tell us if you have any additions! Details about the site are in this blog entry: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=24 Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Species names (was: Potted plants vs. garden beds)
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: and so on. We could even have little fish swimming in the oceans like the maps in olden days. Do you mark Ye be dragons here on the map too? :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
Hi Matt, Matt Amos wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecott wrote: Dear All, I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the magnifier on a map one) for a go to openstreetmap.org button in an iPhone app. It looks like the logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this. Quoting this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm posting here. Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice? please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. cheers, matt PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? I interpreted your contact me directly as an invitation to email you, and I found an address that was not your current gmail one. Cheers, Phil. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On 7 Jul 2009, at 13:44, Matt Amos wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Elena of Valhallaelena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: is your app closed-source? I believe that the iPhone/iTunes store terms aren't really compatible with opensource licenses, expecially copyleft ones apple's store says you can't give away the source? i thought they'd removed all that developer secrecy nonsense from their TsCs. They have, open sourcing is fine so long as you're not using any super- secret APIs. John___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. /me waits for the amateur lawyers to descend PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? I interpreted your contact me directly as an invitation to email you, and I found an address that was not your current gmail one. no worries :-) over the years i have collected many email addresses, some of which are now colossal spam-traps. i'm wary of creating more, but gmail seems to be holding up pretty well. i shall amend the wiki page. cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg(or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. Since you addressed this email to talk@ did you intend that you in the above sentence refers to all current subscribers to this list? 80n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
Am 07.07.2009 12:35, Jochen Topf: We've set up a new web site highlighting prime examples of OSM mapping, basically just as an aid for demonstrating OSM to others (we always end up showing them the same cool spots anyway). Check out bestofosm.org, and tell us if you have any additions! Nice job. Could you CSS-change the cursor to a pointer when hoovering the screenshot thumbnails? I didn't discover the zoom-to feature until I read it in your blog post. Maybe you would like to add the Gaza strip as an example of OSM history [1]. Another example in the works (although for sad reasons) might become Ürümqi, the site of violent clashes in eastern China where Yahoo-traced OSM coverage is growing rapidly within the past hours: http://osm.org/go/z...@wxpmx- The area around Roßleben, Germany serves as a very good example that detailed mapping isn't limited to cities: http://osm.org/go/0MBXm7N Claudius [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gaza ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 02:09:32PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: Great! Very useful for presentations and workshops as well. Love it. How about zoos? * Antwerp http://osm.org/go/0EpZNzMEN- * Berlin http://osm.org/go/0MZu8WGXg- * Amsterdam http://osm.org/go/0...@61hts- There's bound to be more micromapped zoos! Cologne zoo, too. I don't want to plaster the whole map with millions of icons, so I'll have to limit myself somehow. So I took the Berlin one, which I think was the first. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License for OSM logo
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Richard Weait wrote: The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. Yes, recently we (OSI) asked Fedora if we could reuse their trademark guidelines with appropriate modifications for our (OSI) trademark (the green keyhole). I expect that the OSMF would get the same permission. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
You could have thematic 'best of' layers then - the first candidate just appeared ;) martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 02:09:32PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: Great! Very useful for presentations and workshops as well. Love it. How about zoos? * Antwerp http://osm.org/go/0EpZNzMEN- * Berlin http://osm.org/go/0MZu8WGXg- * Amsterdam http://osm.org/go/0...@61hts- There's bound to be more micromapped zoos! Cologne zoo, too. I don't want to plaster the whole map with millions of icons, so I'll have to limit myself somehow. So I took the Berlin one, which I think was the first. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
2009/7/7 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Great! Very useful for presentations and workshops as well. Love it. How about zoos? * Antwerp http://osm.org/go/0EpZNzMEN- * Berlin http://osm.org/go/0MZu8WGXg- * Amsterdam http://osm.org/go/0...@61hts- There's bound to be more micromapped zoos! Question is do there zoos know about these maps, They seam a lot better than many maps you see when you visit them. I think that something above zoom level 18 may be needed here. Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Launching bestofosm.org
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 03:28:38PM +0200, Claudius wrote: Nice job. Could you CSS-change the cursor to a pointer when hoovering the screenshot thumbnails? I didn't discover the zoom-to feature until I read it in your blog post. Thats why I wrote Click on image to zoom to this location in every popup box. :-) But the pointer-cursor is a great idea. Just added it. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
I think you guys can do the same, let's try to let know the google mapmakers that there is a project similar of what they are doing named OpenStreetMap where their efforts will not be closed later by any company or similar. I think that there is a certain problem with 'cold calling' anybody on the internet raises the immediate questions are 'what's in it for you' or 'am I being scammed'. Contacting people is great, but you should have at least something in common and should expect to share data. Personally I've taken two recent actions on this sort of thing: 1). Local person here in Calgary is promoting adding footways/cycleways to Google to improve routing. So I emailed promoting OSM and asking to swap data (offering the stuff I have personally collected under suitable licensing). 2). ATV group in Crowsnest Pass. I've just emailed the group to let them know that there's a new version of OSM/Garmin GPS map which they can download and share. Hopefully this will peak their interest to get involved and add/correct trails in the Pass. The key is to tread softly and don't come over too heavy Cheers, Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
Hi, Ivan Garcia wrote: what I meant with my proposal is not any sort of an agreesive email to the mapmaker users or anything like that. It's just a message telling them the existence of OSM, their advantages over Google Maps (availability of the nodes, open source license, good for tourism, good for local business, etc) Would there not be a considerable outcry if Map Maker activists were to mass e-mail OSM contributors telling them about the existence of Map Maker and its advantages over OSM? Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Would there not be a considerable outcry if Map Maker activists were to mass e-mail OSM contributors telling them about the existence of Map Maker and its advantages over OSM? Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative I woudn't call it spamming cause we are not selling frigerators or viagra to google map makers, experience makes me say that 8 of 10 google map makers I've contacted they didn't have no idea about the OSM map project and they are interested in helping with their data, those that didn't want to participated instead they gave their opinions why they don't like OSM which is a good feedback to learn and improve. Best Regards. Ivan. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
Ivan Garcia wrote: those that didn't want to participated instead they gave their opinions why they don't like OSM which is a good feedback to learn and improve. Do share... David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Ivan Garciacapisc...@gmail.com wrote: I woudn't call it spamming cause we are not selling frigerators or viagra to google map makers, IMHO mass or semi-mass mailing people that didn't subscribe to your mailing list is borderline spam, even if you're asking for help in saving the lives of innocent children, and even if you do it so on a mailing list on helping other children (thus probably interested in the topic) -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, 80n80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. s/hear/here/ -- oops. Since you addressed this email to talk@ did you intend that you in the above sentence refers to all current subscribers to this list? i intended it to mean Phil, but sure - why not? we can rely on OSMF's trademark and the community to help make sure it isn't abused. cheers, matt *: ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-lv Latvia mailing list
There is now a talk-lv Latvia-specific topics and discussion mailing list available. Thank you to Gints Polis for initiating and hosting this forum! Mike For details on how to subscribe to this and other country, language, and topic-specific OSM mailing lists, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mailing_lists For details about OSM activity in Latvia: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Latvia About Latvia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On 7 Jul 2009, at 12:56, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/049514.html Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC wrote: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/049514.html I'm not going to apply on talk-de to tell you this: inventing nodes, ways, segments (remember them?) You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give credit to the original inventor Stan Aronoff, in Geographic information systems: A management perspective (1989). After the years of iterations don't you think it sucks that your simple easy REST-based model is now made so difficult in 0.6? Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTvZQACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3CFACfdA210hgoYTcRNUWp+xEBGovp 76sAn1WDFEVDK4B7CvsZxNPvXVXz3j0s =liu2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool
On 7 Jul 2009, at 23:26, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC wrote: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/ 049514.html I'm not going to apply on talk-de to tell you this: inventing nodes, ways, segments (remember them?) You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give credit to the original inventor Stan Aronoff, in Geographic information systems: A management perspective (1989). Well i never read it and they're kind of trivial. After the years of iterations don't you think it sucks that your simple easy REST-based model is now made so difficult in 0.6? Mozart had Salieri, I get you guys. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTvZQACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3CFACfdA210hgoYTcRNUWp+xEBGovp 76sAn1WDFEVDK4B7CvsZxNPvXVXz3j0s =liu2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API - relations
You can now view relations using the Static Map API. e.g. here is one of the underground lines in OSM: http://tinyurl.com/mjcd7o The equivalent slippy-map view is at http://tinyurl.com/klkrkl and its main page http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/relation/ will let you enter a relation ID. To get the relation ID for something, try copying from a potlatch edit session, or look the wiki for some interesing examples. Currently this website only shows 'route'-type relations, and only shows ways (not nodes or hierachical relations) regards, OJW p.s. I'm still trying to figure-out transparency in GD. Anyone know how to put a semitransparent line on a transparent background, and save the result as PNG? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool
On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:53 PM, SteveC wrote: On 7 Jul 2009, at 23:26, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: After the years of iterations don't you think it sucks that your simple easy REST-based model is now made so difficult in 0.6? Mozart had Salieri, I get you guys. Mozart got the better deal. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC wrote: You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give credit to the original inventor Stan Aronoff, in Geographic information systems: A management perspective (1989). Well i never read it and they're kind of trivial. That was the point, at that time it was not trivial; it was an invention to describe m-dimensional objects such as line and polygon only with n-dimensional types such as point and line, where n m. I consider this in the same amount of triviality as REST. 'Why didn't I think of this before?' After the years of iterations don't you think it sucks that your simple easy REST-based model is now made so difficult in 0.6? Mozart had Salieri, I get you guys. Still you live [that was an observation I made without sleeping in front of your door yesterday], and you have influence on the process :) So don't you consider it a waste it got more difficult? Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpTxusACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1WjgCgj0iDfie4h+GR40+zV6EOM/ji xUgAn3Y38XsSmQ1cNkp70o5e/l2mK7ym =ifTZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool
On 8 Jul 2009, at 00:06, Stefan de Konink wrote: Still you live [that was an observation I made without sleeping in front of your door yesterday], and you have influence on the process :) So don't you consider it a waste it got more difficult? No Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API - relations
If my memory is correct you first do a createcoloralpha(r,g,b,a) where r,g,b a are 8 bits values but I don't remember if 0 is full transparent or full opaque. You then use that color as usual. You may have to first create a fully transparent color and use it to fill the entire image otherwise the resulting image ends up opaque. Yann Le 7 juil. 09 à 23:56, OJ W a écrit : p.s. I'm still trying to figure-out transparency in GD. Anyone know how to put a semitransparent line on a transparent background, and save the result as PNG? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Een toegangelijker OSM, deel 2
Een routeplanner voor voetgangers, fietsers en automobilisten. De gebruiker kan op meerdere manieren een route samenstellen. Dat kan gebeuren door een tweetal punten aan te wijzen en de korste of snelste weg te genereren, Dat kan door gepreparereerde routes te bekijken en selecteren (fietsroutes, wandelroutes, etc). Op zich ben ik het met je eens dat OSM veel te gefragmenteerd is. Maar wat ik zelf als een veel groter probleem zie is dat veel van de onderliggende infrastructuur nog in de kinderschoenen staat. Mijn ervaring is dat op OSM gebaseerde routeplanners gewoon speelgoed zijn. Heel leuk speelgoed, maar zeker niet betrouwbaar genoeg voor de gemiddelde consument. Hetzelfde geldt voor de database: het is een enorme brei met data waar je maar moeilijk wijs uit wordt. Hoe meer POI's er in een gebied te vinden zijn, hoe moeilijker het wordt om in JOSM (maar ook via de data layer van de website) te begrijpen hoe de wereld in elkaar zit. Het lijkt me heel goed om na te denken hoe OSM zo toegankelijk mogelijk gemaakt kan worden. Maar ik denk ook dat het belangrijk is om aan een groot publiek alleen die delen van OSM te laten zien die echt heel goed zijn. Om een voorbeeld te noemen, ik ben blij met de ANDNAV2 navigatie software voor de Android. Het is, in ieder geval van wat ik gezien heb, de beste route software voor OSM. Maar in vergelijking TomTom is het gewoon helemaal niets. De embedder stelt een eindgebruiker in staat om met een paar eenvoudige handelingen een kaart op de eigen website te plaatsen. De gebruiker moet een track bestand kunnen opgeven, of zelf punten kunnen aanklikken. De gegenereerde code moet volledig zijn. De gebruiker kan dus aan- of uitvinken of een grote of kleine navigator gewenst is en de licentie wordt automagisch goed getoond. Denk niet alleen aan websites, maar ook aan bijvoorbeeld presentaties (markeren van een polygoon area en dat als jpg kunnen opslaan voor gebruik in Keynote). Ik denk dat dit in ieder geval een goed punt is. Zeker in Nederland is de kaart van OSM erg goed. Hoewel er waarschijnlijk eerst wel eens door een Nederlandse grafisch ontwerper naar het kleur gebruik gekeken moet worden. Zelf heb ik m'n eigen scripts (zie bijv. http://stereo.hq.phicoh.net/biking/maps/2009-06-20.shtml voor het resultaat), maar het zou beter zijn als iedereen gemakkelijk zo'n kaartje zou kunnen maken. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Een toegangelijker OSM, deel 2
++ 07/07/09 15:27 +0200 - Philip Homburg: Een routeplanner voor voetgangers, fietsers en automobilisten. De gebruiker kan op meerdere manieren een route samenstellen. Dat kan gebeuren door een tweetal punten aan te wijzen en de korste of snelste weg te genereren, Dat kan door gepreparereerde routes te bekijken en selecteren (fietsroutes, wandelroutes, etc). Op zich ben ik het met je eens dat OSM veel te gefragmenteerd is. Maar wat ik zelf als een veel groter probleem zie is dat veel van de onderliggende infrastructuur nog in de kinderschoenen staat. [...] Juist. Daarom schreef ik ook: | Een paar van de doelen die ik mezelf zou zetten zijn het verhogen van | gebruiksgemak, het verhogen van de herkenbaarheid en het verbeteren van | de bekendheid van OpenStreetMap. Belangrijke middelen daarvoor zijn, | IMHO, een interface die eenduidig en uniform is, die de gebruiker met | een beperkt aantal heldere stappen de informatie die gebruiker wil | teruggeeft en die correct is. Het gebruiksgemak gaat over mooie buttons die op een praktische manier in een doordachte workflow gepropt zitten, maar ook over de informatie die teruggegeven wordt. Een routeplanner met een goede interface zal niet aanslaan als deze geen bruikbare route teruggeeft. En, het voorbeeld dat ik gaf was niet meer dan dat: een voorbeeld. Ik zeg niet dat we het zo moeten doen. Als we tot de conclusie komen dat routering geen optie is, laten we dan de rest wel al doen (en goed!). En laten we die rest zo doen dat routering er in een later stadium alsnog bij kan. Hetzelfde geldt voor de database: het is een enorme brei met data waar je maar moeilijk wijs uit wordt. Hoe meer POI's er in een gebied te vinden zijn, hoe moeilijker het wordt om in JOSM (maar ook via de data layer van de website) te begrijpen hoe de wereld in elkaar zit. Juist. Dat is dan ook een van de voornaamste problemen die ik noemde. Er zit veel en waardevolle data in de OSM database, maar de ontsluiting is een ramp. Aan de kant van de editors, maar ook aan de kant van de eind- gebruikers. Zelf heb ik m'n eigen scripts (zie bijv. http://stereo.hq.phicoh.net/biking/maps/2009-06-20.shtml voor het resultaat), maar het zou beter zijn als iedereen gemakkelijk zo'n kaartje zou kunnen maken. Ik heb al eens iets gebouwd dat mensen in staat stelt om hun GPX file op snelle en makkelijke manier te tonen (dat is wat je bedoelde denk ik). Zie https://rejo.zenger.nl/topo/embed-osm-and-track-in-webpage.php voor een uitleg. Basically: https://rejo.zenger.nl/topo/osm/?fn=url-of-gpx-file;. Er zijn nog wel wat dingen die uitgebreid moeten worden, waypoints worden nog niet getoond bijvoorbeeld. Maar, het is misschien leuk dat dat er is, meer dan een quick 'n' dirty speeltje is het niet. Het is gewoon weer een semi-handige interface naar die data van OSM. En dat is niet wat nodig is. Ik wil die dingen graag samenvoegen en verbeteren. -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 . https://rejo.zenger.nl GPG encrypted e-mail prefered. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Een toegangelijker OSM, deel 2
Philip Homburg wrote: Een routeplanner voor voetgangers, fietsers en automobilisten. De gebruiker kan op meerdere manieren een route samenstellen. Dat kan gebeuren door een tweetal punten aan te wijzen en de korste of snelste weg te genereren, Dat kan door gepreparereerde routes te bekijken en selecteren (fietsroutes, wandelroutes, etc). Op zich ben ik het met je eens dat OSM veel te gefragmenteerd is. Maar wat ik zelf als een veel groter probleem zie is dat veel van de onderliggende infrastructuur nog in de kinderschoenen staat. Dat is niet waar, de infrastructuur is best solide. Maar net zo gefragmenteerd als de overige initiatieven. Met name onduidelijkheid over teams die verantwoordelijkheid hebben over bepaalde bouwstenen van de OSM infrastructuur is een probleem. Mijn ervaring is dat op OSM gebaseerde routeplanners gewoon speelgoed zijn. Heel leuk speelgoed, maar zeker niet betrouwbaar genoeg voor de gemiddelde consument. Dat ligt niet aan de routeplanners maar aan de data. Werk aan de winkel dus! Hetzelfde geldt voor de database: het is een enorme brei met data waar je maar moeilijk wijs uit wordt. Hoe meer POI's er in een gebied te vinden zijn, hoe moeilijker het wordt om in JOSM (maar ook via de data layer van de website) te begrijpen hoe de wereld in elkaar zit. Dan moeten we met zijn allen zorgen dat we er beter wijs uit worden ;-) Het lijkt me heel goed om na te denken hoe OSM zo toegankelijk mogelijk gemaakt kan worden. Maar ik denk ook dat het belangrijk is om aan een groot publiek alleen die delen van OSM te laten zien die echt heel goed zijn. De kreet OSM is hierin te algemeen. De OSM database is de kern. Die verantwoordelijkheid ligt bij de OpenStreetMap Foundation. De afgeleide producten zoals de xapi, de tileservers, de extracten en de diverse applicaties liggen NIET bij de OSMF. Hiervoor moet je inderdaad af en toe flink zoeken in het oerwoud. Wij, de stichting OpenGeo, proberen maatschappelijk relevante initiatieven te steunen in de weg naar volwassenheid, vertaling naar het Nederlands en faciliteren middels hosting. Om een voorbeeld te noemen, ik ben blij met de ANDNAV2 navigatie software voor de Android. Het is, in ieder geval van wat ik gezien heb, de beste route software voor OSM. Maar in vergelijking TomTom is het gewoon helemaal niets. Dat ligt er zomaar aan waar op de wereld je bent. Wij zijn in Nederland gewoon tot op het bot verwend met het feit dat TeleAtlas ons land economisch interessant genoeg vindt voor het inwinnen en beschikbaar stellen van data. En TomTom heeft hier van geprofiteerd. Met Garmin Mobile XT en de openstreetmap data van Aruba heb ik een routerings applicatie op dat mooie eiland. En op Aruba heb je met TomTom gewoon helemaal niks. Kwestie van perspectief zullen we maar zeggen. Alles hangt of staat met de data. De embedder stelt een eindgebruiker in staat om met een paar eenvoudige handelingen een kaart op de eigen website te plaatsen. De gebruiker moet een track bestand kunnen opgeven, of zelf punten kunnen aanklikken. De gegenereerde code moet volledig zijn. De gebruiker kan dus aan- of uitvinken of een grote of kleine navigator gewenst is en de licentie wordt automagisch goed getoond. Denk niet alleen aan websites, maar ook aan bijvoorbeeld presentaties (markeren van een polygoon area en dat als jpg kunnen opslaan voor gebruik in Keynote). Ik denk dat dit in ieder geval een goed punt is. Zeker in Nederland is de kaart van OSM erg goed. Hoewel er waarschijnlijk eerst wel eens door een Nederlandse grafisch ontwerper naar het kleur gebruik gekeken moet worden. Zelf heb ik m'n eigen scripts (zie bijv. http://stereo.hq.phicoh.net/biking/maps/2009-06-20.shtml voor het resultaat), maar het zou beter zijn als iedereen gemakkelijk zo'n kaartje zou kunnen maken. Deze kartograaf (Ja, ik mag die titel dragen met een ing. er bij ;-)) heeft even naar jou kaart gekeken maar denkt dat ook daar nog wel iets over de labels kan worden gezegd. Kaarten moeten worden toegespitst op het gebruik en zolang we één generieke kaart renderen waar alle andere initiatieven op moeten worden gedrapeerd is nog niet alles optimaal. Hiervan zijn we ons bewust en er wordt dan ook gewerkt aan b.v.: - Tile omgevingen zonder labels - Tile omgevingen in grijstinten - Tile omgevingen zonder POI's Ik zou zeggen sluit je aan! Denk mee, doe mee. Wellicht kun je helpen om uiteindelijk te zorgen dat zaken écht een succes worden want dat is de kracht van de community. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Een toegangelijker OSM, deel 2
Beste Philip, Je hebt bepaalde ideëen over wat er mis is, heb je ook gedachten over hoe dit zou kunnen worden verbeterd? Heb je een bepaald onderdeel waarvan jij zegt; als je daar de focus legt, dan wordt het echt een grandioos succes? Philip Homburg wrote: Dat is niet waar, de infrastructuur is best solide. Maar net zo gefragmenteerd als de overige initiatieven. Met name onduidelijkheid over teams die verantwoordelijkheid hebben over bepaalde bouwstenen van de OSM infrastructuur is een probleem. Solide in de zin dat de database zelf niet down gaat, dat klopt (en dat is natuurlijk ook heel belangrijk). Solide in de zin dat er een duidelijk model is hoe je met OSM data om moet gaan is het denk ik niet. Een heleboel dingen moeten duidelijk nog langzaam groeien. Dat is niet erg. Maar je moet dan wel oppassen welke groepen gebruikers je gaat benaderen. Dat ligt niet aan de routeplanners maar aan de data. Werk aan de winkel dus! Dat klopt niet. Ik heb redelijk veel met http://yournavigation.org/ gespeeld (die natuurlijk gosmore als backend heeft) en recenter met ANDNAV2. En in beide gevallen zie je dat de navigatie software heel veel steken laat vallen. Ook in de data zitten veel fouten maar op route gebied is het model dan ook verre van compleet. De kreet OSM is hierin te algemeen. De OSM database is de kern. Die verantwoordelijkheid ligt bij de OpenStreetMap Foundation. De afgeleide producten zoals de xapi, de tileservers, de extracten en de diverse applicaties liggen NIET bij de OSMF. Hiervoor moet je inderdaad af en toe flink zoeken in het oerwoud. Ik denk dat OSM community meer moet doen dan alleen de database. Het is prima als de OpenStreetMap Foundation alleen de database doet, maar dan moet je een andere wereldwijde organisatie opzetten voor de rest. Juist omdat OSMF geen applicaties doet is het op sommige punten zo gefragmenteerd. Dat ligt er zomaar aan waar op de wereld je bent. Wij zijn in Nederland gewoon tot op het bot verwend met het feit dat TeleAtlas ons land economisch interessant genoeg vindt voor het inwinnen en beschikbaar stellen van data. En TomTom heeft hier van geprofiteerd. Met Garmin Mobile XT en de openstreetmap data van Aruba heb ik een routerings applicatie op dat mooie eiland. En op Aruba heb je met TomTom gewoon helemaal niks. Kwestie van perspectief zullen we maar zeggen. Alles hangt of staat met de data. Ja, ik had het over Nederland. Ik denk niet dat het veel indruk maakt als je zegt dat OSM op Aruba beter is dan TomTom terwijl iedereen die het uitprobeert er achter komt dat in Nederland OSM het veel slechter doet. Deze kartograaf (Ja, ik mag die titel dragen met een ing. er bij ;-)) heeft even naar jou kaart gekeken maar denkt dat ook daar nog wel iets over de labels kan worden gezegd. Kaarten moeten worden toegespitst op het gebruik en zolang we =E9=E9n generieke kaart renderen waar alle andere initiatieven op moeten worden gedrapeerd is nog niet alles optimaal. Hiervan zijn we ons bewust en er wordt dan ook gewerkt aan b.v.: - Tile omgevingen zonder labels - Tile omgevingen in grijstinten - Tile omgevingen zonder POI's Dat is een goed punt. Ik zou zeggen sluit je aan! Denk mee, doe mee. Wellicht kun je helpen om uiteindelijk te zorgen dat zaken =E9cht een succes worden want dat is de kracht van de community. Voor mij is OSM al lang al een succes. Maar een beetje meer focus kan soms geen kwaad. Er zijn in de Nederlandse OSM community heel veel groepjes die allemaal wat anders doen. Op zich niet erg, ieder z'n hobby, maar het gevolg is wel dat het langer duurt voordat bepaalde aspecten echt volwassen zijn. Het alternatief is om te kijken wat haalbaar is en er dan met een zo groot mogelijk groep aan proberen te werken om dat voor elkaar te krijgen. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: They were after Circular Quay in Sydney, they just pronounced it how it's spelt, not how it's written thanks to French influences on the English language. yes, but for an american tour guide i could have sent them off to oxford street darlinghurst for an adventure instead -- BOFH excuse #114: electro-magnetic pulses from French above ground nuke testing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
Elizabeth Dodd wrote: -- A day for firm decisions! Or is it? That got quite a chuckle going here love it !! :D ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Rick Peterson wrote: -- A day for firm decisions! Or is it? That got quite a chuckle going here love it !! :D The program is called 'fortune'. It is a BSD program, and it does not work on Windows (I see Rick is using Thunderbird on Windows). Now if I was using it with the 'offensive' flag set, I might have fewer friends. I've had trouble enough with some over-sensitive Americans on a weather station email list who had an objection to one randomly chosen phrase, so I'm a little more cautious now. -- Just because the message may never be received does not mean it is not worth sending. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: friends. I've had trouble enough with some over-sensitive Americans on a weather station email list who had an objection to one randomly chosen phrase, so I'm a little more cautious now. Oh c'mon you can't leave us hanging like that, do tell us what it was :) If you want to shock an American, although this might work best if you're male, just ask to nurse a baby, they'll think you'll want to breast feed it. However the look on their faces is usually priceless. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
On 7/07/2009 2:33 PM, John Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: How about Tce for Terrace Also, and Drv for Drive, Cct for Circuit - I've seen these around the place. Wy for Way, Mw for Mews I've also seen on signs but never anyone use. If people might enter them, then it would be worth entering I guess, people can always ignore these errors individually or as groups. Also I updated the list to check for a fullstop at the end of the abbv as well. way : W : highway == * name == /.* Ave(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Ave) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Cct(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Cct) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Cir(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Cir) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Cl(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Cl) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Cr(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Cr) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Crct(|\.)$/i# abbreviated street name (Crct) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Cres(|\.)$/i# abbreviated street name (Cres) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Crt(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Crt) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Ct(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Ct) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Dr(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Dr) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Drv(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Drv) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Ln(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Ln) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Mw(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Mw) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Pl(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Pl) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Rd(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Rd) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Sq(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Sq) way : W : highway == * name == /.* St(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (St) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Ter(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Ter) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Tce(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Tce) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Tr(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Tr) way : W : highway == * name == /.* Wy(|\.)$/i # abbreviated street name (Wy) A few more that I have seen around: Blvd - Boulevard Esp, Espl - Esplanade Hwy - Highway Mwy - Motorway Regards, Neale. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: Oh c'mon you can't leave us hanging like that, do tell us what it was :) It was something about Marines in which the war cry or similar had an addendum which noted that most were going to the cemetery -- You're currently going through a difficult transition period called Life. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street Abbv. patch for validator plugin
The JOSM developers have basically forced anyone wanting to use JOSM and download any plugins to upgrade, because they don't pull various revisions of plugins that match the JOSM build from their server. This is an over sight I'm sure, but yea, you will have to upgrade at some point due to this bug that no code will be back ported for, although I should file a proper bug about it if no one hasn't already. Someone beat me to it: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/2859 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Yepoon Area
I anyone is passing that way in about 3 weeks or so then there should be some new roads, open to the public off Torelliana Street. (Lammermoor Beach) There were street signs erected so once access is available, we can again trump the commercial providers by being more up-to-date. Also at Hervye Bay (Point Vernon) one new road is being built.( I think it may be off Cornfield Street). Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping Party Event Diary
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: and the shame of having ridden my bike to the Waters Edge Restaurant and not mapped it :-( I ride along that waterfront twice every weekday. Never mapped any of it, or any other part of my ride. My (poor) excuse is that I don't have a pushbike mount for my n810. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Limites de bairros
Olá, Eu estava dando uma olhada hoje a tarde em um mapa impresso da minha cidade, e nele tem a divisão correta dos bairros da cidade. Muitos deles a divisão é feita nas ruas (um lado da rua é um bairro, o outro lado é outro bairro). Isso deve ser assim em tudo quanto é lugar, né... Agora, como faço para designar os bairros no JSOM? Até o momento, eu estou apenas colocando um ponto, mais ou menos no meio do bairro, com place=suburb e name=nome do bairro. Mas, como devo proceder para separar os bairros usando as ruas? Tem como? Grato. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.eti.br • www.avila.eti.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Limites de bairros
Acho que a lógica seria a mesma usada nos limites de cidades/países (um relation agrupando os ways que formam as fronteiras do lugar) - mas não sei se alguem já está usando nessa escala de bairro... _ From: talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Rodrigo de Avila Sent: terça-feira, 7 de julho de 2009 15:59 To: OSM talk-br Subject: [Talk-br] Limites de bairros Olá, Eu estava dando uma olhada hoje a tarde em um mapa impresso da minha cidade, e nele tem a divisão correta dos bairros da cidade. Muitos deles a divisão é feita nas ruas (um lado da rua é um bairro, o outro lado é outro bairro). Isso deve ser assim em tudo quanto é lugar, né... Agora, como faço para designar os bairros no JSOM? Até o momento, eu estou apenas colocando um ponto, mais ou menos no meio do bairro, com place=suburb e name=nome do bairro. Mas, como devo proceder para separar os bairros usando as ruas? Tem como? Grato. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 * rodr...@avila.eti.br * www.avila.eti.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Limites de bairros
Considerando que é comum haver divisões administrativas dentro de municípios, que agrupam vários bairros, sugiro adotarmos: 6=municípios 8=divisões administrativas dentro de municípios, caso existam (sub-prefeituras, regionais e similares) 9=bairros On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:22:56PM -0300, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: Poder ve no Key:Boundariess no wiki e asinar um nivel pela bairros. Agora so tem nacional, estadual e municipual. Regards Aun Johnsen On 07/07/2009, at 16:03, Junior, Claudomiro wrote: Acho que a lógica seria a mesma usada nos limites de cidades/países (um relation agrupando os ways que formam as fronteiras do lugar) - mas não sei se alguem já está usando nessa escala de bairro... From: talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Rodrigo de Avila Sent: terça-feira, 7 de julho de 2009 15:59 To: OSM talk-br Subject: [Talk-br] Limites de bairros Olá, Eu estava dando uma olhada hoje a tarde em um mapa impresso da minha cidade, e nele tem a divisão correta dos bairros da cidade. Muitos deles a divisão é feita nas ruas (um lado da rua é um bairro, o outro lado é outro bairro). Isso deve ser assim em tudo quanto é lugar, né... Agora, como faço para designar os bairros no JSOM? Até o momento, eu estou apenas colocando um ponto, mais ou menos no meio do bairro, com place=suburb e name=nome do bairro. Mas, como devo proceder para separar os bairros usando as ruas? Tem como? Grato. -- Eduardo ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
Guenther Meyer schrieb: wie waers mit: collection_times = Mo-Fr:1200,1830;Sa:1600 Mir kommt das irgendwie bekannt vor ... ich glaube, ich habe vor einem Jahr collecting_time oder so geschrieben :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
Oh, je. Da ist das Wiki ausnahmsweise mal gut und logisch gepflegt und dann gibt es so viele verschiedene Meinungen. Hier mal meine bevorzugte Variante: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Post_box - mit Linkt zu - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/collection_times Beispiel: collection_times = Mo-Fr 12:00,16:45,23:00; Sa 11:30; Su 18:30 Als Schema sollte wie von Tobias verwendet, das opening_hours-Scheme Pate stehen jedoch ohne Zeiträume nur mit Zeitpunkten. Ciao André Am 7. Juli 2009 08:09 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Guenther Meyer schrieb: wie waers mit: collection_times = Mo-Fr:1200,1830;Sa:1600 Mir kommt das irgendwie bekannt vor ... ich glaube, ich habe vor einem Jahr collecting_time oder so geschrieben :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Eierlegende Wollmilchkarte
Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2009 21:12:10 schrieb qbert biker: Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:53:15 +0200 Von: malenki o...@malenki.ch An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [Talk-de] Eierlegende Wollmilchkarte Einige - ich eingeschlossen - hätten dort gern ein besseres GoogleMaps. Ich eigentlich nicht, mir wäre das zu wenig. Meiner Ansicht nach orientiert sich OSM eh schon viel zu stark an Google Maps, weil viele ein klares Ziel vor Augen haben wollen. Das mit dem klaren Ziel ist etwas sehr Wünschenswertes! Dadurch bekommt ein Projekt Struktur und es wird nicht Moral und Arbeit vergeudet. Auch bei meinem Opensuse Projekt gibt es Ziele (Meilensteine) auf die hingearbeitet wird. Und es ist mir daher eine Freude mit Opensuse zu arbeiten! Heute morgen fand ich im Wiki eine wirklich geniale Seite, die das Zeug dazu hat: http://www.freemap.sk In der Gegend gibts auch eine astreine Datenqualität, die auf einen Datenimport aus professioneller Quelle hinweist. http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.77468565338101lon=16.50371615514 0424zoom=13layers=BF000F Gruesse Hubert ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
OK ! irgendwie habe ich das überlesen - dann werde ich künftig mit opening_hours arbeiten. kann einer von euch ein boot laufen lassen - so heißt dieses Werkzeug glaube ich. Damit sind die Daten schon einmal homogener. Gruß Jan :-) André Riedel schrieb: Oh, je. Da ist das Wiki ausnahmsweise mal gut und logisch gepflegt und dann gibt es so viele verschiedene Meinungen. Hier mal meine bevorzugte Variante: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Post_box - mit Linkt zu - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/collection_times Beispiel: collection_times = Mo-Fr 12:00,16:45,23:00; Sa 11:30; Su 18:30 Als Schema sollte wie von Tobias verwendet, das opening_hours-Scheme Pate stehen jedoch ohne Zeiträume nur mit Zeitpunkten. Ciao André Am 7. Juli 2009 08:09 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Guenther Meyer schrieb: wie waers mit: collection_times = Mo-Fr:1200,1830;Sa:1600 Mir kommt das irgendwie bekannt vor ... ich glaube, ich habe vor einem Jahr collecting_time oder so geschrieben :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
Am 7. Juli 2009 09:24 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: irgendwie habe ich das überlesen - dann werde ich künftig mit opening_hours arbeiten. Nein collection_times ;o) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM als Beispiel für gescheiterte Bas isdemokratie
Hallo Guenther, basistags englisch, international einheitlich +1 die lokalisierung gehoert in die software, nicht in die datenbasis. +1 eine zentrale lokalisierungsdatenbank, aus der sich die programme bedienen koennen, ist absolut sinnvoll. +1 Gruss, Markus PS: vielleicht sollte man mal den Betreff etwas spezifizieren? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
hast recht !!! André Riedel schrieb: Am 7. Juli 2009 09:24 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: irgendwie habe ich das überlesen - dann werde ich künftig mit opening_hours arbeiten. Nein collection_times ;o) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] eingezeichnete Ortsnamen, Dominanz
Johannes Huesing schrieb: ich habe jetzt mal die Dominanz für Orte anhand von OpenGeoDB errechnet und mir meine Gedanken zur Darstellung der Ortsnamen abhängig u.a. davon zu machen. Das Ergebnis steht auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Anzeige_von_Städten#Dominanz Hi, bei den Kanarien ist mir aufgefallen, dass die Inselnamen gar nicht oder nur unprominent dargestellt werden: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=28.2lon=-15.4zoom=8layers=0F0B0F Eventuell fehlt da ein place=island oder so? Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] freie Tonne in Josm
Hallo Dirk, Ah, Die Styles auch noch, ich wusste bis jetzt nur von Vorlagen. Dann etwas dazu: Hier: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/browser/trunk/styles/standard/ele mstyles.xml ist ein Style-File. Genau so ein Ding müsst Ihr auch erstellen (ist eigentlich autoplausibel). Und in JOSM einbinden (einfach auf einen Server laden und die URL in JOSM einbinden - wie das geht steht hier: Wir haben mal zwei verschiedene Files zum Download vorbereitet. Beide referenzieren unsere Symbole. http://www.freietonne.de/index.php?site=96infotyp=1 Kannst Du damit etwas anfangen? Die eine Condition Variante sollte doch sofort funktionieren, oder ist da was falsch dran? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/MapPaint Das ist momentan noch etwas kompliziert, weil es keine externen Styles gibt und deshalb niemand schöne Einstellungsdialoge dafür geschrieben hat. Deshalb haben wir das noch nicht probiert. Ich komme frühestens heute Abend dazu. Velche JOSM-Version sollten wir nehmen (latest hat ja wohl noch Probleme)? Beste Grüße aus Berlin JJ www.freietonne.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Import in Österreich (war: Eierleg ende Wollmilchkarte)
Am 05.07.2009 21:12, qbert biker: In der Gegend gibts auch eine astreine Datenqualität, die auf einen Datenimport aus professioneller Quelle hinweist. http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.77468565338101lon=16.503716155140424zoom=13layers=BF000F Da bist du schon nach Österreich gerutscht und der dortige Detailgrad kommt vom Plan.at-Import: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Import_plan.at Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Ticket für SOTM
Sollte noch jemand ein Ticket für die SOTM benötigen. Bitte hier melden, muss meines leider abgeben. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Ticket für SOTM
The google translation for this is unusable, let me know if I can help. Best Steve On 7 Jul 2009, at 09:48, Claudius wrote: Sollte noch jemand ein Ticket für die SOTM benötigen. Bitte hier melden, muss meines leider abgeben. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Ticket für SOTM
Unfortunetly I can't attend SOTM and am looking for someone whom I can sell it to. Refunding it isn't that easy as Eventbrite already took their fee. Claudius Am 07.07.2009 11:09, SteveC: The google translation for this is unusable, let me know if I can help. Best Steve On 7 Jul 2009, at 09:48, Claudius wrote: Sollte noch jemand ein Ticket für die SOTM benötigen. Bitte hier melden, muss meines leider abgeben. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] freie Tonne in Josm
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Jan Jesse wrote: Wir haben mal zwei verschiedene Files zum Download vorbereitet. Beide referenzieren unsere Symbole. http://www.freietonne.de/index.php?site=96infotyp=1 Kannst Du damit etwas anfangen? Die eine Condition Variante sollte doch sofort funktionieren, oder ist da was falsch dran? Die 1669 kann das noch nicht. Die kann nur lokale Bilddateien lesen. Ich brauche noch eine OSM-Datei zum Testen, damit ich auch etwas sehe. P.S. Generell muss der Link auf die XML so gestaltet sein, dass er mit wget -N nur dann heruntergeladen wird, wenn sich wirklich etwas geändert hat, sonst entsteht unnötige Serverlast :-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/MapPaint Das ist momentan noch etwas kompliziert, weil es keine externen Styles gibt und deshalb niemand schöne Einstellungsdialoge dafür geschrieben hat. Deshalb haben wir das noch nicht probiert. Ich komme frühestens heute Abend dazu. Velche JOSM-Version sollten wir nehmen (latest hat ja wohl noch Probleme)? Ich war gestern abend ganz fleißig und habe Dialoge gebastelt. Ist aber noch nicht ganz fertig. Auch Multi-Conditions habe ich eingebaut (noch ungetestet). Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] freie Tonne in Josm
Hallo Dirk, http://www.freietonne.de/index.php?site=96infotyp=1 Da ist jetzt auch die gewünschte OSM-Datei verlinkt (unten). P.S. Generell muss der Link auf die XML so gestaltet sein, dass er mit wget -N nur dann heruntergeladen wird, wenn sich wirklich etwas geändert hat, sonst entsteht unnötige Serverlast :-) Das bekommen wir dann auch hin :-) Ich war gestern abend ganz fleißig und habe Dialoge gebastelt. Ist aber noch nicht ganz fertig. Auch Multi-Conditions habe ich eingebaut (noch ungetestet). Wir sind sehr gespannt ;-) Beste Grüße aus Berlin JJ www.freietonne.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kindergarten gelöst
Am Montag, 6. Juli 2009 19:29:12 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 6. Juli 2009 19:23 schrieb Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: Kann es sein, dass es am building=no liegt? Wahrscheinlich hat der Mapnik eine Regel, die alle building=* als Gebäude interpretiert... ja, das ist ziemlich sicher ein Problem. Die Regel sollte building !=no sein, nicht jedes building. Es war eines der Probleme. Das andere Problem liegt darin, dass die Renderer amenity offensichtlich nicht über landuse darstellen, wie es bei shop z.B. der Fall ist. Habe landuse=residential unter dem Kiga rausgenommen und nehme an, das es das war. Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DPAG jetzt mit Briefkastensuche
Hallo. Am Dienstag, 7. Juli 2009 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: kann einer von euch ein boot laufen lassen - so heißt dieses Werkzeug glaube ich. ymmd. ;-) Gruß, Bernd -- Immer und immer wieder bitte ich: weniger Zahlen, dafür gescheitere. - Lenin, 1921 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Announce: Bookmarklet für load into josm
Georg Burkhard georg.burkh...@roma-online.de wrote: Ach so, deshalb waren auch meine zwischenzeitlichen Versuche nicht erfolgreich. Ich könnte jetzt aber eine Version als richtiges Bookmarklet zur Verfügung stellen, das keine Javascript-Datei nachlädt. Ich fand das mit der externen javascript-datei eigentlich übersichtlicher. das ist der ganze Grund warum ich das so gemacht habe. Wer nicht auf meinen Server angewiesen sein möchte kann sich die Datei ja einfach runterladen. Gruss Sven -- It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not. (Bill Gates) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kindergarten gelöst
Am 7. Juli 2009 11:41 schrieb Wolfgang o...@kahl-hinsch.de: Am Montag, 6. Juli 2009 19:29:12 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 6. Juli 2009 19:23 schrieb Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: Kann es sein, dass es am building=no liegt? Wahrscheinlich hat der Mapnik eine Regel, die alle building=* als Gebäude interpretiert... ja, das ist ziemlich sicher ein Problem. Die Regel sollte building !=no sein, nicht jedes building. Es war eines der Probleme. Das andere Problem liegt darin, dass die Renderer amenity offensichtlich nicht über landuse darstellen, wie es bei shop z.B. der Fall ist. Habe landuse=residential unter dem Kiga rausgenommen und nehme an, das es das war. das ist m.E. tagging für die Renderer, da das Landuse=residential ja durchaus richtig ist (der Kindergarten gehört zum Wohngebiet). Daher würde ich das landuse residential wieder reinnehmen und im trac ein/zwei tickets für mapnik und t...@h schreiben (renderorder und building ungleich no). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kindergarten
Am 6. Juli 2009 21:33 schrieb Mario Salvini salv...@t-online.de: was sagt den builind=kindergarten aus? das sagt aus, dass sich in dem Gebäude ein Kindergarten befindet (das ist auch nicht selbstverständlich, könnte ja auch der Geräteschuppen oder die Hausmeisterwohnung sein). eigenltich nicht viel. building=pyramide oder sowas würde da schon mehr Sinn machen. m.E. ist das dasselbe, da building nicht die Form sondern die Nutzung ausdrückt (s. proposal advanced values für buildings für tags zur Form). Zur Grundfrage. amenity=kindergarten bezeichnet für mich persönlich nur das Gelände. Falls da Gebäude drauf stehen taggt man die zusätzlich als area mit building=yes dieses building=yes geht natürlich immer, ist aber sehr allgemein. Die Empfehlung ist, lieber einen spezifischen Wert (falls bekannt) eintragen. Alle Werte (leider wohl auch no) werden als building gerendert. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kindergarten gelöst
Wolfgang schrieb: Es war eines der Probleme. Das andere Problem liegt darin, dass die Renderer amenity offensichtlich nicht über landuse darstellen, wie es bei shop z.B. der Fall ist. Hmmm, zumindest amenity=school wird hier problemlos über landuse=residential dargestellt. Alles ohne layer-Angabe. http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.7654lon=7.43988zoom=17 Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Import in Österreich (war: Eierleg ende Wollmilchkarte)
Hi, Claudius wrote: Da bist du schon nach Österreich gerutscht und der dortige Detailgrad kommt vom Plan.at-Import: Der, wenn man talk-at Glauben schenken darf, alles andere als gut bei den Mappern ankam, zumindest beschweren sich dort viele ueber Abweichungen von 100m und mehr etc. (andererseits ist es in .at vermutlich auch nicht anders als in .de, und die Leute sind schnell dabei, auf der Mailingliste zu schimpfen ;-) Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM als Beispiel für gescheiterte Basisd emokratie
Am 6. Juli 2009 19:44 schrieb Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: pub ist nunmal der englische begriff fuer kneipe, und in deutschland ist ein irish pub auch nichts anderes als eine kneipe eines bestimmtes typs. ganz einfach zu taggen: in einem hierarchisch basierten system z.B. so: leisure = pub.irish oder konventionell z.B. so: leisure = pub pub = irish damit findet jeder, was er sucht. das war ja ein Beispiel mit dem Pub. Der Typus Pub ist ein leicht anderer als der Typus Kneipe, mehr wollte ich damit nicht sagen. Klar sind die Unterschiede hier noch gering, aber wenn Du weltweit nachsiehst, wirst Du durchaus wesentlich größere Unterschiede feststellen, wo man bestimmte Dinge nicht mehr gleichsetzen kann, ohne Missverständnisse zu provozieren. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] freie Tonne in Josm
Jan Jesse schrieb: Hallo Dirk, http://www.freietonne.de/index.php?site=96infotyp=1 Da ist jetzt auch die gewünschte OSM-Datei verlinkt (unten). Ich vermute, dass der OSM--file nicht in JOSM v1741 gelanden werden kann ist (noch) normal? ;) Gruß Mario ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM als Beispiel für gescheiterte Basisd emokratie
Am 6. Juli 2009 19:39 schrieb Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: es geht ja auch allgemein um den urlauber... in jedem land der welt sollte es läden geben, in denen es irgend eine art von brot zu kaufen gibt. ja, z.B. Supermärkte? Oder Restaurants? Würde man die dann als Bäcker taggen? Es gibt nicht in jedem Land der Welt Bäckereien, das ist eine falsche Vorstellung. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Launch bestofosm.org
Wir haben eine neue Vorzeige-Webseite fuer OSM eingerichtet - eine Slippymap, auf der eine Anzahl besonderer Orte zum schnellen Auffinden markiert sind. Schaut es Euch mal an: bestofosm.org - und sagt uns, welche Orte noch auf der Karte fehlen! Details ueber die Seite gibt es in diesem Blog-Eintrag: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=24 Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] freie Tonne in Josm
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Mario Salvini wrote: http://www.freietonne.de/index.php?site=96infotyp=1 Da ist jetzt auch die gewünschte OSM-Datei verlinkt (unten). Ich vermute, dass der OSM--file nicht in JOSM v1741 gelanden werden kann ist (noch) normal? ;) Laden und Speichern in einem Texteditor behebt das Problem. Ist scheinbar ein Nullbyte zuviel drin. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Launch bestofosm.org
Hallo, Jochen Topf schrieb: Wir haben eine neue Vorzeige-Webseite fuer OSM eingerichtet - eine Slippymap, auf der eine Anzahl besonderer Orte zum schnellen Auffinden markiert sind. Schaut es Euch mal an: bestofosm.org - und sagt uns, welche Orte noch auf der Karte fehlen! hmm ... die Ortsnamen werden von den Symbolen verdeckt :-( Ich finde das mit dem fully mapped in Karlsruhe *total* irreführend. Wenn ein Newbie dazu kommt denkt dieser, dass dort wirklich alles erhoben wurde. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
