Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Jan 2017, at 09:53, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Indipendentemente sarebbe forse da aggiornare la pagina > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence > per la sezione Italia. mi sembra inutile questa pagina perché in osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 January 2017 at 09:11, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > To my knowledge, there is no site where one could add a set of OSM IDs that > need attention There is, and you can edit it yourself: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 10:11, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Wikidata tags in OSM are already of low quality because of mindless > mass-addition by people with zero local knowledge Oh, please stop with this FUD. Unless you have evidence* to support this assertion, you should

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 11:09 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > Io nel caso di quest'ultime incongruenze mi comporto così: > - ref cambiato ma non sui cartelli: "ref" rimane quello dei cartelli, > "official_ref" per la versione amministrativa > - ref cambiato, nella realtà si trovano

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2017-01-04 at 12:20:51 +0100, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > +1 > Una piazza é descritta a sufficienza con highway pedestrian/living Street, > area yes e una piazza che è adibita a parcheggio? magari con invece un lato che è una tertiary e altri due lati che sono sempre usati come strada, ma

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Francesco Pelullo
Il 04 gen 2017 10:06, "Federico Cortese" ha scritto: > L'idea dell'import non mi ha mai sfiorato, mi sembrava solo una risorsa utile per eventuali controlli in alcune zone. Certamente essendo un dato riferito al dicembre 2015, non contiene i cambiamenti avvenuti nel 2016.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Imre Samu
>.. this coordinates correction ... Before this correction it had wrong coordinates placing it erroneously on absolutely another mountain. ... As I see there is a tool for detect distance differences : *OpenStreetMap - Wikidata Validator* Each circle is an OpenStreetMap feature with a Wikidata

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Una "piazza" adibita a parcheggio IMHO è un parcheggio. Ciò che connota una piazza è l'aspetto sociale e quindi pedonale... per fortuna non abbiamo ancora le piazze drive-in. Il giorno 4 gennaio 2017 13:00, Elena ``of Valhalla'' < elena.valha...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 2017-01-04 at 12:20:51

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Thank you. Great tool! It makes an inconsistency visible to people to make a final decision. It is probably like in chess. It is not a man alone, neither a supercomputer, but a team of strong human players with usual computers who win no-holds-barred championship. On 04.01.2017 13:22, Imre

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-04 12:18 GMT+01:00 Federico Cortese : > Sull'aggiornamento mensile non saprei risponderti, non credo abbia > alcun significato in questo caso, ma forse è un campo richiesto > obbligatoriamente dal software per la pubblicazione dei dati, ma > compilato in modo

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 12:19, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 4 January 2017 at 10:11, Frederik Ramm wrote: Wikidata tags in OSM are already of low quality because of mindless mass-addition by people with zero local knowledge Oh, please stop with this FUD. Unless you have evidence* to

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread mbranco2
Vale quanto ho detto sopra ad Alessandro, spiegami come si giustifica mettere highway pedestrian/living street in piazze come quelle che ho già mostrato in precedenza [1] [1] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/PiazzaRepubblica_night.jpg Il giorno 4 gennaio 2017 12:20, Cascafico Giovanni

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-04 12:11 GMT+01:00 Alessandro : > Suggerisco di riscrivere però le descrizione della chiave: > > Places include populated settlements, including city, town, village, > suburbs, neighbourhoods and hamlets etc and also unoccupied identifiable > places ranging from very

[Talk-it] OSM nello smartwatch Casio WSD-F20?

2017-01-04 Thread mircozorzo
Ho letto la notizia che Mapbox fornirà le mappe per il nuovo smartwatch WSD-F20 http://www.digitaltrends.com/wearables/casio-wsd-f20-smartwatch-ces-2017/ Qualcuno ne sa di più? In particolare se i dati saranno OSM. Non mi interessa l'orologio ma l'uso dei nostri dati. Ciao, Mirco -- View this

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread mbranco2
Mi spiace Alessandro che tu risponda così. Non ho nessuna pretesa di imporre qualcosa, sono prontissimo a cambiare il mio punto di vista, mi interessa imparare da chi ne sa più di me. Se scrivo: *tutte le highway riguardano la viabilità, ma mappare il perimetro di una piazza non c'entra niente

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread mbranco2
place=city_block direi che è un'area più piccola di una piazza. 2017-01-04 12:11 GMT+01:00 Alessandro : > Suggerisco di riscrivere però le descrizione della chiave: > > Places include populated settlements, including city, town, village, > suburbs, neighbourhoods and hamlets

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-04 12:20 GMT+01:00 Cascafico Giovanni : > +1 > Una piazza é descritta a sufficienza con highway pedestrian/living Street, > area yes > come fai quando c'è un aiuola sulla piazza? Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] Mappa dei ripetitori radioamatoriali (su openstreetmap)

2017-01-04 Thread Giuliano
Il 04/01/2017 09:04, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: > Il 04/gen/2017 08:34, "Martin Koppenhoefer" ha > scritto: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 4 Jan 2017, at 08:27, Fabrizio Carrai > wrote: >> >> Pongo un domanda a tutti: sarebbe corretto

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Wikidata tags in OSM are already of low quality because of mindless > > mass-addition by people with zero local knowledge > > Oh, please stop with this FUD. Back at you. It is fairly obvious that the majority of wikidata tags in the OSM

[OSM-talk] have you heard the news already?

2017-01-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Hello, Hav eyou heard the latest news already? You definitely need to read this Best Wishes, Paul Johnson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Mikel Maron
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Ok I hear you. Let me walk this back a step. Not the same standard, but a standard beyond now that gives some visibility to

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/2017 11:24 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > Ok I hear you. Let me walk this back a step. Not the same standard, but > a standard beyond now that gives some visibility to the process. I know > there is a process of monitoring, analysis, communication and action > followed by the DWG. Let's

Re: [Talk-it] A proposito di qualità degli edit

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 22:31 GMT+01:00 Marco_T : > pierluigi de rosa wrote >> Grazie a tutti della disponibilità e mi dispiace per il disguido > > Pierluigi, > assolutamente non devi dispiacerti per il disguido, anzi, il semplice fatto > che hai fatto conoscere OSM è encomiabile.

Wochennotiz Nr. 337 27.12.2016–02.01.2017

2017-01-04 Thread Wochennotizteam
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 337 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/01/wochennotiz-nr-337/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami
Il giorno 4 gennaio 2017 14:55, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > > 2017-01-04 12:20 GMT+01:00 Cascafico Giovanni : > >> +1 >> Una piazza é descritta a sufficienza con highway pedestrian/living >> Street, area yes >> > > > come fai quando c'è un

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Rory McCann
On 04/01/17 16:45, Andy Mabbett wrote: > And where is the link I requested? https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wikidata#values Go to page 429. That shows that the first ~22,000 wikidata values have 2+ occurrences. There are hundreds with 10+ values the number of actual duplicates is much

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
2017-01-04 17:00 GMT+01:00 Luca Moiana : > > ok, come fai a verificare le coordinate? > Io le ho ricavate da un tag data-lat e data-lng contenuto nella pagine Solitamente lo fai inserendo gli indirizzi o i nomi dei locali su Google Maps Ho preso questo indirizzo

Re: [Talk-it] A proposito di qualità degli edit

2017-01-04 Thread pierluigi de rosa
Gentile Marcello, mi chiamo Pierluigi De Rosa e sono un utente storico di OSM ma molto poco attivo. Da circa tre anni tengo il corso di GIS presso l'Università di Perugia e lo faccio con strumenti Open. In particolare uso QGIS ma non solo (anche gdal, geopaparazzi, GRASS, spatialite gui, ecc...).

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 13:22, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> Oh, please stop with this FUD. > > Back at you. My request was for evidence to support the original claim. Do you have any? > taginfo tells us that there are more than 22000 wikidata values that are used > more than

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 15:24, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 04/01/2017 15:08, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> On 4 January 2017 at 13:09, Andy Townsend wrote: >> >>> Do my comments on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43749373 count >>> as >>> "evidence" or

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
Io contatterei le persone del consorzio Inoltre, sei certo che le coordinate dei punti non siano calcolate usando il geocoder di google? 2017-01-04 16:53 GMT+01:00 Luca Moiana : > Ciao, > > > è la prima volta che mi capita, > > per un progetto ho dovuto fare lo scraping

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > Then you'd need to change the tag definition on the wiki to reflect > > that (and to explain what these circumstances are). > > You - and thus I - were talking about "Wikidata values", now you're > talking about a single tag. Which is it,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 13:09, Andy Townsend wrote: > Do my comments on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43749373 count as > "evidence" or "anecdotes" in your book? It is evidence that /one/ tag is wrong. It is an anecdote so far as the claim "Wikidata tags in OSM are

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno mer, 04/01/2017 alle 12.18 +0100, Federico Cortese ha scritto: > > A proposito di name delle statali, secondo voi è corretto inserire il > ref nel name o andrebbe messo solo nel ref, come si fa di solito con > tutti gli altri oggetti? > Esempio: "Strada Statale 16 Adriatica" oppure

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Luca Moiana
Si, stasera provo a mettre giù un'email di richiesta da spedire. From: Maurizio Napolitano Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:11 PM To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati? 2017-01-04 17:00 GMT+01:00 Luca

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Tomas Straupis
There was a flow of undiscussed automated wikidata additions in Lithuania with problems. I asked for discussion before automated changes. I was given a promise that a discussion will follow. But there was no discussion. And automated changes resumed. I see it as violation of automated edit rules

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
* I think MapRoulette is actually the tool we should use to fix these issues. I am not yet sure how to build an OT query that gets relations for the challenge, but this approach should automate the whole process. Any ideas? https://github.com/maproulette/maproulette2/issues/259 * Wikidata tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote: > There are circumstances where it is legitimate for a > Wikidata value to be used more than once. Then you'd need to change the tag definition on the wiki to reflect that (and to explain what these circumstances are). -- Christoph Hormann

[Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Luca Moiana
Ciao, è la prima volta che mi capita, per un progetto ho dovuto fare lo scraping dei dati del Consorzio del Franciacorta [1] e ora mi trovo con un file geografico con tutte le informazioni. Vi chiedo: 1 è legale fare l'import su OSM ? 2 se si, quale strumento è il più adatto a caricarli?

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 15:55, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 04/01/2017 15:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> Please quantify that; against the total number of Wikidata tags. > 214 changes in that changeset; at first glance 82 civil parishes in there > likely to be in error if they have the

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Simone
Il 04 gennaio 2017 17:00:54 CET, Luca Moiana ha scritto: >ok, come fai a verificare le coordinate? > > >Io le ho ricavate da un tag data-lat e data-lng contenuto nella pagine Ci sono buone possibilità che siano coordinate google maps, dal link da te fornito, ogni

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 15:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: Please quantify that; against the total number of Wikidata tags. 214 changes in that changeset; at first glance 82 civil parishes in there likely to be in error if they have the "Dunham on Trent" problem - about 38%.

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Luca Moiana
ok, come fai a verificare le coordinate? Io le ho ricavate da un tag data-lat e data-lng contenuto nella pagine grazie From: Maurizio Napolitano Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:57 PM To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re:

Re: [Talk-it] Scraping dati?

2017-01-04 Thread Luca Moiana
ok, carico il mio shape su josm e vedo cosa esce, di sicuro non sono taggate come craft=winery perchè da overpass non risulta nulla. grazie L From: Simone Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:13 PM To: openstreetmap list - italiano;

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
2017-01-04 12:18 GMT+01:00 Federico Cortese : > A proposito di name delle statali, secondo voi è corretto inserire il > ref nel name o andrebbe messo solo nel ref, come si fa di solito con > tutti gli altri oggetti? > Esempio: "Strada Statale 16 Adriatica" oppure "Strada

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 15:08, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 4 January 2017 at 13:09, Andy Townsend wrote: Do my comments on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43749373 count as "evidence" or "anecdotes" in your book? It is evidence that /one/ tag is wrong. To quote from the

Re: [Talk-it] Mappa dei ripetitori radioamatoriali (su openstreetmap)

2017-01-04 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
Ciao Giovanni, Il giorno 4 gennaio 2017 12:26, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto: > Il 04/gen/2017 08:28, "Fabrizio Carrai" ha > scritto: > > > > Pongo un domanda a tutti: sarebbe corretto importare/usare le coordinate > QTH dei ponti radio anche se

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 15:38, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> There are circumstances where it is legitimate for a >> Wikidata value to be used more than once. > > Then you'd need to change the tag definition on the wiki to

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dino Michelini : > Salve listra, ho aperto il file con Google Earth Pro e le strade riportate > sono solo quelle di competenza ANAS prima del passaggio di quelle regionali. > Ad es. per il Lazio il file è incompleto e non aggiornato: infatti, nel

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 10:04 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> On 4 Jan 2017, at 08:44, Federico Cortese wrote: >> >> Ritengo potrebbe essere molto utile per correggere inesattezze o >> incompletezze nella mappatura eseguita su OSM. > > per verificare operator

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Jorge Gustavo Rocha
Hi Yurik, Nice work. I'm interested in make such validation a service, to identify and fix any inconsistencies between OpenStreetMap and Wikipedia/Wikidata. I'll be working on that on the next days. Regards, J. Gustavo Às 09:11 de 03-01-2017, Yuri Astrakhan escreveu: I have been steadily

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-04 10:11 GMT+01:00 Federico Cortese : > Esattamente, oppure anche per correggere alcune relazioni route di > strade statali. > I dati sono aggiornati al dicembre 2015, come espressamente citato: > > http://dati.mit.gov.it/catalog/dataset/grafo-stradale-anas > >

[Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Francesco Pelullo
Ciao a tutti Oggi il mio smartphone perde e riaggancia continuamente il segnale GPS, non era mai successo prima. Succede anche a voi? O devo comperare un telefono nuovo? Sono in provincia di Bari. Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

2017-01-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Just a question which no one seems to have addressed - is there any > evidence that Go is actually using a *feed* of OSM data, rather than just a > one-off dump? It's really rare, IMHO, for anyone to bother with a feed

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Volker Schmidt
sul sito trovo: " Informazioni supplementariUltimo aggiornamento sconosciuto Creato sconosciuto " Non promette bene! Indipendentemente sarebbe forse da aggiornare la pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence per la sezione Italia. Ho visto sulla pagina citate

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Jan 2017, at 08:44, Federico Cortese wrote: > > Ritengo potrebbe essere molto utile per correggere inesattezze o > incompletezze nella mappatura eseguita su OSM. per verificare operator e ref (se i dati sono aggiornati, cosa non si sa). ciao,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/2017 10:27 AM, Jorge Gustavo Rocha wrote: > Nice work. > I'm interested in make such validation a service, to identify and fix > any inconsistencies between OpenStreetMap and Wikipedia/Wikidata. > I'll be working on that on the next days. Please ensure that you do not

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-03 19:18 GMT+01:00 Alessandro : > > Non intendo dire che non vada bene mappare un luogo come una piazza nella > sua intierezza e complessità. > E' l'uso della chiave 'place' che considero una porcata, tanto vale usare > amenity o man_made ... anzi, queste due chiavi

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > > Well - in OSM use of and reliance on this expensive resource is the > > core of the whole project and we use automated edits only when they > > are deemed desirable by the expensive humans on a per case basis. > > I agree with this idea

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 04.01.2017 19:52, Christoph Hormann wrote: It is not the check that needs to be manual, it is the edit. In other words: finding errors can often be automatized to a high degree with good reliability - just look at the OSM Inspector coastline and area views which are very useful for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Yves
This all conversation confort my (un-educated, I confess) idea of the uselessness of cross referencing the Wikipedia ecosystem with OSM with OSM tags. Automated addition of wikidata id to OSM objects seems worthy, so why not doing it on the fly instead of writing it to the database? Next

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Marc Gemis
I'm now trying to clean up the wikidata / wikipedia tags on administrative boundaries in Belgium. One of the problems seems that nyuriks automatically (?) added wikidata tags [1] without making sure the wikipedia tags were placed correctly in OSM. And now that same person asks to help him clean

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > [...] > Humans are a VERY > expensive resource, lets use it only when necessary. Well - in OSM use of and reliance on this expensive resource is the core of the whole project and we use automated edits only when they are deemed desirable by

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 16:43, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: * I think MapRoulette is actually the tool we should use to fix these issues. Hell no. Let's consider that when MapRoulette users have fixed all problems with the TIGER data in the USA - a task that it is far better suited to. MapRoulette's great

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread AJ Ashton
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, at 08:22, Christoph Hormann wrote: > "The ID of the Wikidata item about the feature" > > suggests a one-to-one relationship and having the same wikidata ID on > more than one feature would always be an error but taginfo tells us > that there are more than 22000 wikidata

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, AJ Ashton wrote: > > "The ID of the Wikidata item about the feature" > > > > suggests a one-to-one relationship and having the same wikidata ID > > on more than one feature would always be an error but taginfo tells > > us that there are more than 22000 wikidata

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2017-01-04 at 18:16 +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote: > There was a flow of undiscussed automated wikidata additions in > Lithuania with problems. I asked for discussion before automated > changes. I was given a promise that a discussion will follow. But > there was no discussion. And automated

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Tom Lee
Like many conversations about Wikidata tagging, I think this one suffers from varying levels of stringency -- and perhaps letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. At the risk of stating the obvious, it is often the case that Wikidata's conceptual model of places does not exactly match

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 16:05, Andy Mabbett wrote: Third time of asking: would you accept a single random bad tag/changeset on OSM as evidence that "tags in OSM are already of low quality"? What's that got to do with the price of fish? To be clear, this isn't one single changeset. It's just

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 04.01.2017 18:05, Christoph Hormann wrote: Well - in OSM use of and reliance on this expensive resource is the core of the whole project and we use automated edits only when they are deemed desirable by the expensive humans on a per case basis. I agree with this idea completely. At the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread nebulon42
I would revert it then. Violations of the automated edits policy should not be tolerated. Michael Am 2017-01-04 um 19:17 schrieb Philip Barnes: > On Wed, 2017-01-04 at 18:16 +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote: >> There was a flow of undiscussed automated wikidata additions in >> Lithuania with

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Certainly a tool to check and correct obviously broken or duplicate wikipedia=*, wikimedia_commons=*, wikidata=* links from the OSM map would be very useful. However, I've met inconsistencies which could be noticed only by a knowledgeable human on the ground. For example, this coordinates

Re: [Talk-it] Grafo strade ANAS

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 11:09 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > Bo, io non capisco come si deve leggere, ci sono questi indicazioni: > > Ultimo aggiornamento 3 Gennaio 2017, 21:39 Creato 15 Novembre 2016, 15:29 > Categoria Trasporti Frequenza di aggiornamento Mensile Estensione

Re: [Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Davide Mangraviti
Anche a me viene da rispondere, se c'è in ballo qualche attacco missilistico.. No, comunque, il GLONASS è sempre un pò più instabile del GPS. Ad ogni modo io nessun problema, che sia problema di tellefono, fai un bella pulizia della cache e tieni chiuse altre app. ciao -- View this message

Re: [Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Francesco Pelullo
Il 04 gen 2017 12:07, "Martin Koppenhoefer" ha scritto: forse stanno attaccando da qualche parte. ;-) Possibile. Hai fatto un update recentemente? Non in maniera consapevole. Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Francesco Pelullo
Il 04 gen 2017 11:10, "Francesco Pelullo" ha scritto: Ciao a tutti Oggi il mio smartphone perde e riaggancia continuamente il segnale GPS, non era mai successo prima. Per la precisione, non si tratta di un problema del segnale GPS, ma di quello GLONASS il segnale si

Re: [Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Jan 2017, at 11:47, Francesco Pelullo wrote: > > il segnale si accende e di spegne come un albero di natale forse stanno attaccando da qualche parte. ;-) Hai fatto un update recentemente? M ___

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Alessandro
Il 04/01/2017 11:16, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: perché le piazze sono più estese (talvolta) delle aree calpestabili, comprendono cose tipo statue, edifici, aiuole, giardini, ecc. Rinuncio a discutere e assisto inerme ___ Talk-it mailing

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Alessandro
Suggerisco di riscrivere però le descrizione della chiave: Places include populated settlements, including city, town, village, suburbs, neighbourhoods and hamlets etc and also unoccupied identifiable places ranging from very large (continents and oceans) down to very small features are

Re: [Talk-it] Segnale GPS perso

2017-01-04 Thread Alessandro
Il 04/01/2017 11:47, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto: Per la precisione, non si tratta di un problema del segnale GPS, ma di quello GLONASS il segnale si accende e di spegne come un albero di natale Se il problema è solo su una flotta di satelliti non mi preoccuperei

Re: [Talk-it] Novità sulle piazze

2017-01-04 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
+1 Una piazza é descritta a sufficienza con highway pedestrian/living Street, area yes Il 03/gen/2017 19:19, "Alessandro" ha scritto: >>> place=square la considero una porcata perchè si va a inquinare una >>> chiave che aveva un suo significato preciso. > Non intendo dire

Re: [Talk-it] Mappa dei ripetitori radioamatoriali (su openstreetmap)

2017-01-04 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Il 04/gen/2017 08:28, "Fabrizio Carrai" ha scritto: > > Pongo un domanda a tutti: sarebbe corretto importare/usare le coordinate QTH dei ponti radio anche se la loro precisione non è quella dei survey o del tradizionale GPS a cui siamo abituati ? No, sarebbe sbagliato

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Tomas Straupis
> This all conversation confort my (un-educated, I confess) idea of the > uselessness of cross referencing the Wikipedia ecosystem with OSM with OSM > tags. > > Automated addition of wikidata id to OSM objects seems worthy, so why not > doing it on the fly instead of writing it to the database?

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Rob Nickerson
Frederik, Please don't revert the ones near me. We spent considerable time with a contributor (not Yuri but someone else) to ensure that my local community were happy with the proposed edit before it was completed. All, May I remind, that whilst we have no mechanism to *properly* vote on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 04.01.2017 20:04, Yves wrote: This all conversation confort my (un-educated, I confess) idea of the uselessness of cross referencing the Wikipedia ecosystem with OSM with OSM tags. Automated addition of wikidata id to OSM objects seems worthy, so why not doing it on the fly instead of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/2017 07:25 PM, nebulon42 wrote: > I would revert it then. > Violations of the automated edits policy should not be tolerated. Some automated Wikidata additions have been reverted by me in the past, mainly where they came from an algorithm that used proximity (and not existing

Re: [Talk-it] A proposito di qualità degli edit

2017-01-04 Thread Marcello
On 04/01/2017 17:30, pierluigi de rosa wrote: > Gentile Marcello, > mi chiamo Pierluigi De Rosa e sono un utente storico di OSM ma molto > poco attivo. Pierluigi, io ho conosciuto OSM solo nel 2013, quando scoprii che uno dei primi mapping party fu a Perugia mi rammaricai molto perché abitavo a

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 20:41, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Please don't revert the ones near me. We spent considerable time with a > contributor (not Yuri but someone else) to ensure that my local community > were happy with the proposed edit before it was completed. This is

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Mikel Maron
Reverts should be held to the same standard as imports (outside of obviously urgent problems). That means a well documented and visible plan, community discussion. Rob's comment shows that it is not possible for someone eyeing a revert to judge this from a quick look at the data or discussion

Re: [Talk-it] Parco Nazionale dell'Appennino Lucano

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2016-12-28 9:58 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > aggiungerei in questo caso, come sempre nei casi analoghi, un relativo > commento al changeset, così l'informazione rimane legato alla mappa e al > edit, ed è visibile a livello internazionale (non solo in talk-it, anche

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 January 2017 at 19:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: > there's quite a few people in OSM who think that > low-quality Wikidata tags are better than no Wikidata tags at all Are there? Or is this more FUD? > we can afford to wait until someone who actually knows the area they

Re: [Talk-it] A proposito di qualità degli edit

2017-01-04 Thread Federico Cortese
2017-01-04 21:52 GMT+01:00 Marcello : > > Per concludere vorrei riportare una mia impressione, non so se condivisa > anche dagli altri, mi sembra che chi inizia a mappare usando JOSM introduce > errori grossolani più raramente rispetto a chi utilizza gli editors online. > I vari

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread nebulon42
Are your continuous claims of FUD more FUD? Or is me questioning this more FUD of FUD of FUD? You see this can go on towards infinity. Am 2017-01-04 um 22:01 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On 4 January 2017 at 19:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> there's quite a few people in OSM who

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/01/2017 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 4 January 2017 at 19:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: we can afford to wait until someone who actually knows the area they are working in has the time to add Wikidata tags. As has been made clear in other discussions in which you have

Re: [Talk-it] A proposito di qualità degli edit

2017-01-04 Thread Marco_T
pierluigi de rosa wrote > Grazie a tutti della disponibilità e mi dispiace per il disguido Pierluigi, assolutamente non devi dispiacerti per il disguido, anzi, il semplice fatto che hai fatto conoscere OSM è encomiabile. Per il resto sono daccordo con gli altri: gli errori/imprecisioni un po'

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Gillet
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > All, > > May I remind, that whilst we have no mechanism to *properly* vote on the adoption of new tags, we also have no mechanism to *properly* vote on whether a mechanical edit can go ahead or not, including mass

Re: [Talk-it] Mappa dei ripetitori radioamatoriali (su openstreetmap)

2017-01-04 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Umap può importare csv ed altro e permette la visualizzazione su diversi stili di OSM, inclusi quelli con curve di livello. Ciò aiuta l'aggiustamento delle posizioni. Una volta impostato il file, al clic sul singolo nodo (rappresento da una puntina) puoi far in modo che ti esca un popup con i

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Chris Hill
I disagree with this. A revert is putting right the wrong of an undiscussed mechanical edit or automated import. *All* undiscussed imports should be reverted. That will be part of the enforcement of the mechanical edit guidelines. If we want high quality data (and I certainly do) we must

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Mikel Maron wrote: > Reverts should be held to the same standard as imports (outside of > obviously urgent problems). Definitely not - if the only way to counteract an undiscussed mechanical edit that goes against the community principles is to have a discussed

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mikel Maron wrote: > Reverts should be held to the same standard as imports (outside > of obviously urgent problems). Where a revert of an import (or other automated edit) is done by DWG because an import did not follow the rules, reverting that import just goes back to the status quo ante.

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