Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4

2009-07-03 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi Peter Bus Routes work like this type=route route=bus ref=50 operator= National Express West Midlands name= NXWM Bus Route 50 Thanks for having a go and helping out in Birmingham - I've edited your relation for bus route 50 to reflect the above. Look forward to seeing it rendered in opnvkarte

Re: [OSM-talk-be] verslag Antwerps OSM-café op 21 juni

2009-07-03 Thread Johan Huysmans
Dat is een heel mooi en uitgebreid verslag, blijkbaar was er heel wat besproken die avond. Deze informatie moet zeker en vast op de wiki worden gezet, want ik zie heel wat afspraken omtrent het taggen van specifieke zaken die ook elders in Belgie gebruikt kunnen worden. De wiki opkuis en

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Francis Davey
2009/7/3 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com: Indeed.  Consider what you would say if a lawyer looked at a program and said Why do we need all this codese? Speaking as a lawyer - albeit one who hasn't been on this list nearly long enough to have an opinion, I'm mostly just trying to learn where OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: The licence should not try to impose additional restrictions on people beyond their own country's copyright law (and other applicable laws such as database right). In which case OSM becomes public domain. Are you saying that the OSM data, currently

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: the personal use only stuff comes into the terms of service. you don't need to agree - it's simply a statement by OSMF that the site is intended for personal use and that any non-personal use of the site may result in service being withdrawn. Hmm. I guess not

[OSM-legal-talk] Printed maps and new license

2009-07-03 Thread George Ionescu
Hello to all OSM users, we're planning on creating printed materials which will include OSM maps. Does the new license allow us to do so? What kind of disclaimer should be used in print media? Thank you. George. ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Ulf Möller wrote: It doesn't. It's just that during a review of the proposed license, a lawyer pointed out that it is good practice to have terms of use for the website. That recommendation would still stand if we chose not to change the license. I can't really comprehend

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Francis Davey wrote: Put the lawyer back in the cage. Be nice 8-). This isn't (as far as I can see) about lawyers being unreasonable. I just get the impression that some people have had so much to do with lawyers while trying to get the database licence organised that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Printed maps and new license

2009-07-03 Thread George Ionescu
Hello Frederik, thanks for the quick reply. One more quick question, just to be sure: how should we handle printing media in CC-BY-SA terms? Is printing ©OpenStreetMap - CC-BY-SA on the map enough to ensure I'm complying with current OSM license? Thanks. George. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Brendan Barrett wrote: What happens if someone, with malicious intent, deletes lots of data or uploads things that cause trouble (e.g. upload Teleatlas data, then tip off Teleatlas to make trouble). Do we reserve the right to sue them for damages, and if so, would this agreement be the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Printed maps and new license

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, George Ionescu wrote: One more quick question, just to be sure: how should we handle printing media in CC-BY-SA terms? Is printing ©OpenStreetMap - CC-BY-SA on the map enough to ensure I'm complying with current OSM license? If you have enough room then we prefer the URLs for OSM and CC

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Contributor_Terms Should say: You agree to only add contents for which you are the copyright holder, *or which are in the public domain*, *or which already have permission from the rights holder to distribute

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ed Avis wrote: Should say: You agree to only add contents for which you are the copyright holder, *or which are in the public domain*, *or which already have permission from the rights holder to distribute under Licence X*, or where you have explicit permission from the rights holder to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: Many websites have terms and conditions (eg amazon and tesco) and they do so because using those sites goes beyond just having a browse but involves rather more interaction (including the handing over of money). In the case of OSM things don't go that far

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Francis Davey
2009/7/3 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Yes, which is why a contributor agreement is needed - but that does not mean you need a set of terms and conditions just to *read* the site. Yes and as is I hope clear from what I have written (although your use of the word but suggests possibly not) I do

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ed Avis wrote: ODbL, as fast as I understand, does not permit re-licensing, which means that even if you have other data that is ODbL licensed, you cannot upload it to OSM without express permission of the license holder. But if OSM also adoped ODbL then no re-licensing would be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: Yes, which is why a contributor agreement is needed - but that does not mean you need a set of terms and conditions just to *read* the site. Yes and as is I hope clear from what I have written (although your use of the word but suggests possibly not) I do not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Francis Davey
2009/7/3 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Hmm, I think I would argue that 'use of the data' is no consideration at all since I would have been able to use it anyway even without agreeing to the terms.  For example if I publish a copy of the King James Bible with a 'contract' at the front, and the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ed Avis wrote: ODbL, as fast as I understand, does not permit re-licensing, which means that even if you have other data that is ODbL licensed, you cannot upload it to OSM without express permission of the license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: I kind of think it should be compulsory for anyone posting to legal-talk to demonstrate that they have read, and understood, Rural vs Feist and Mason vs Montgomery. I will read those (anyone got a link?).

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: Therefore, granting permission on the data can only be a real consideration when there is some pre-existing law which means the other party needs such permission.  That can be copyright law, database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-03 Thread Martin
No, i can't :( I was hoping that there is someone who could. Still hoping .. Sorry Martin Richard Fairhurst wrote: Martin wrote: I would like to know if it is allowed to trace over the maps from: http://www.ml-datos.com/4/ficheros/mapas/marruecos/IGN%201-250.000/ Can you point us at a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-03 Thread Martin
Hi Elizabeth Thanks for analysis! This map series are more reliable than the others and would be very valuable. They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and could be public domain, but i don't know. Martin Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Martin wrote: I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-03 Thread Martin
I already made a changeset based on that before i realised the unknown state of copyright: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1712798 How to remove that? Thanks Martin Martin wrote: Hi I would like to know if it is allowed to trace over the maps from:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Martin escribió: They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and could be public domain, but i don't know. No, no, no. They are indeed from the Institute Geographique Nationale, but not from Morocco. From France. See www.ign.fr and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-03 Thread Martin
So i will dig through http://www.ign.fr/page.do?externalRef=instit.document.cms.id.mentionsLegales and probably ask them about. Thanks Martin Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Martin escribió: They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ulf Möller
Ed Avis schrieb: If it is not possible to take one ODbL-licensed work, and combine it with another ODbL-licensed work to make a third ODbL-licensed work, then either the ODbL is even worse than it first appears, or the proposed OSM implementation of it is flawed. The ODbL certainly allows

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: if it's in the public domain then you already have permission from the copyright holder. also, having permission from the rights holder to distribute under License X is the same thing as having permission from the rights holder to submit the content, no? Well,

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-03 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org writes: Hi all, A team has formed amoung the Ubuntu community to help make Ubuntu work well for NGOs (Non-Govermental Organisations, aka charities) [1] [2]. I myself have done some volunteer work sending ubuntu computers to Africa with Camara [3]. One

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenGolfMap? - was OpenPisteMap

2009-07-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Jul 2009, at 00:11, Richard Weait wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 19:02 +0100, Peter Miller wrote: Any chance of opengolfmap? I am needing a map to show the interaction between an existing golf course and a proposed cycle route. I can add the data to the map but I am not aware of anything

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread SteveC
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote: Thomas Schäfer wrote: sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is changing. We (the admins) are all well aware of this. I personally

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-03 Thread Rory McCann
On 02/07/09 19:43, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: IMHO, it'd be better to have the rendered tiles on the DVD. If you want to have a tweaked ubuntu liveDVD with postGIS, mapnik, mod_tile and the whole shebang, fine. But I guess that doing so will disrupt the workflow of the people using the

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread SteveC
On 1 Jul 2009, at 17:48, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, Mike Collinson escribió: Last year we had some great Limerick poems for the Limerick State Of the Map Conference. This year, the format is the Haiku. Maps maps maps maps maps maps maps! Ivan This is

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/7/3 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote: Thomas Schäfer wrote: sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is changing. We (the admins) are all

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread tschae...@t-online.de
Please, when will OSM support IP over pigeon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers Best Steve You are not up2date: IPoSN is in http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5514.txt Therefore the solution must be: OSM over IPv6 over Social Networks But lets make the first

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread Maarten Deen
SteveC wrote: On 1 Jul 2009, at 17:48, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, Mike Collinson escribió: Last year we had some great Limerick poems for the Limerick State Of the Map Conference. This year, the format is the Haiku. Maps maps maps maps maps maps maps!

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-03 Thread Rory McCann
On 02/07/09 17:40, Mikel Maron wrote: - Offline map editing. ... It hadn't occured to me to have offline editing. It would be cool to have that, since lots of the areas that have low bandwidth aren't mapped very well. However trying to write all the custom code and syncronise all that up is not

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
John Smith delta_foxtrot at yahoo.com writes: RIM has had javascript based geolocation in their blackberry browser for a few years now, and suddenly cause mozilla foundation and apple does it people actually start to care? The normal OSM slippy map doesn't work on Blackberries anyway (at least

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Maarten Deen escribió: Lovely maps, wonderful maps Maps-and-maps-and-maps-and-maps Lovely maps, wonderful maps Ma-a-a-aps Ma-a-a-a-ps Ma-a-a-a-ps MA-A-A-A-APS!!! Maps Bacon and maps Maps, maps, eggs, bacon and maps -- -- Iván

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, SteveC escribió: This is a derivative work, clearly, of my efforts last year. I have openly licensed this on the OSM wiki as CC-BY-SA 2.0 however, you have not provided attribution. I would appreciate this. It is not a derivative work, as my haiku does not build

[OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers programme/booking

2009-07-03 Thread Steve Chilton
Booking is now open for the Society of Cartographers Summer School at the University of Southampton from 7-9th Sept 2009. If you want to: - hear the Director General of the OS talking about the future of the National Mapping Agency - hear about the new UKMap large scale map database - take

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-03 Thread maning sambale
Is it possible for Marble to cache the data for offline viewing? On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Rory McCannr...@technomancy.org wrote: On 02/07/09 17:40, Mikel Maron wrote:   - Offline map editing. ... It hadn't occured to me to have offline editing. It would be cool to have that, since

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread Bernhard zwischenbrugger
hi all People care because it has been standardized and is being implemented by major players: http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html Firefox, iPhone, Blackberry geolocation is a funny thing. Easy to use. But how does it work? There must be somewhere a big database that stores the GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenGolfMap? - was OpenPisteMap

2009-07-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Peter Miller wrote: Any chance of opengolfmap? I am needing a map to show the interaction between an existing golf course and a proposed cycle route. I can add the data to the map but I am not aware of anything that will render it. I'm not a golfer, so don't have a lot

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenPisteMap Down?

2009-07-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Tom Hughes wrote: You need to use OL 2.8 - either that or use an older copy of OpenStreetMap.js. Basically mixing our hosted file with your own OL is a bad idea - either pull both from us or host both yourself. That way you won't get a mismatch. It was the other way

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Jul 2009, at 11:27, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, SteveC escribió: This is a derivative work, clearly, of my efforts last year. I have openly licensed this on the OSM wiki as CC-BY-SA 2.0 however, you have not provided attribution. I would appreciate

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Bernhard zwischenbrugger b...@datenkueche.com wrote: Firefox, iPhone, Blackberry geolocation is a funny thing. Easy to use. In the case of the BlackBerry browser it pulls the info from a GPS chip if available. Alternatively there is Skyhook Wireless which provide APIs

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread Jack Stringer
I have a Google G1 and that does the GPS thing but if you want the phone to last the day you have to turn it off and only turn it on when you need to use the GPS. When you start the browser every time it will get the GPS location. My old Sony Erricson would use Google maps and even though it

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote: Thomas Schäfer wrote: sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: The data must be stored in a list of ip addresses associated with a mast, that mast having a GPS location. Bit like geoip but on a bigger scale. No, IPs would be a very imprecise way to do it, simply because IPs get handed

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: then you win. If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster is draw up a migration plan for OSM. If that's the case, I'm not sure where the hold up is exactly because the work the .nl guys have put in proves

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 John Smith wrote: --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: then you win. If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster is draw up a migration plan for OSM. As mentioned in the serious post before.

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:15 AM, John Smith wrote: I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest. It's possible, but it's pointless. First, there is no IPv4 to IPv6 transition plan. The two protocols don't coexist. Second, unless you have an IPv4 address, you

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread marcus.wolschon
On 3 Jul 2009 08:47:04 -0400, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:15 AM, John Smith wrote: I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest. It's possible, but it's pointless. First, there is no IPv4 to IPv6 transition plan. The two

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
On 03/07/2009, at 00:04, John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 2/7/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: First of all I doubt there are 50,000,000 blackberry users, Not my figure, but apparently the number of active BB subscribers that number sounds a little too high, and yes,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Francis Davey
2009/7/3 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: Should say: You agree to only add contents for which you are the copyright holder, *or which are in the public domain*, *or which already have permission from the rights holder to distribute under Licence X*, or where you

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Jonathan Bennett
John Smith wrote: I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest. It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do the work. By comparison, when Relations were proposed, they happened because

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan Bennett wrote: John Smith wrote: I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest. It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do the work. To be fair, only those with root access to production systems and contacts with

[OSM-talk] Proposed tag: leisure=petting_zoo

2009-07-03 Thread Sybren A . Stüvel
Hi folks, I've just proposed the tag leisure=petting_zoo for petting zoos. My motivation can be found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/petting_zoo Cheers, -- Sybren Stüvel http://stuvel.eu/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sybrenstuvel signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
On 03/07/2009, at 05:38, SteveC wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote: Thomas Schäfer wrote: sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is changing. We (the admins)

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: An implementation of the protocol for both the wiki and OSM in general would mean that OSM coverage will be virtually global, and no longer depending on broadband connections. I wonder what the RTT would be from

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: I wonder what the RTT would be from UK to USA. Maybe even the amount of packetloss; I mean if OpenShortestPigeonFlight is not used... that could be enormous. Assuming there is no large amount of packet losses due to packet

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Avis
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: Hmm, I think I would argue that 'use of the data' is no consideration at all since I would have been able to use it anyway even without agreeing to the terms.  For example if I publish a copy of the King James Bible Actually its Crown Copyright, Interesting! I

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread OJ W
wasn't OSM's preferred link-layer discussed elsewhere? http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-ceo-appointed.html On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: I wonder what the RTT would be from UK

[OSM-talk] osmosis question

2009-07-03 Thread Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V.
is it possible to use osmosis filtering changesets to fit my AOI before applying it to my database? I'm thinking of something like: osmosis --read-xml-change file=changesets-090624.osm --apply-change --write-xml-change file=mychangeset.osm Or in general: what's the best way to keep my OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, SteveC escribió: As you can clearly see, Exhibit 1 Original Work Maps maps map map maps Maps maps map map maps map map map maps map map map maps Maps maps map map maps is a direct parent of Exhibit 2 Cheap Infringement Maps maps maps maps maps maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: I also find insulting that you consider my work to be a cheap copy of yours, and I therefore demand prompt payment of 1 (one) beer* in concept of moral damages in order to settle the issue. Just a word of caution, I think those Spanish guys can get really

[OSM-talk-nl] grenzen van een park

2009-07-03 Thread Rejo Zenger
Hi, Ik ben bezig met het herzien van een park in Amsterdam. Het park was er nooit helemaal volledig in gezet en bovendien waren de paden in het park voor een deel recent aangepast. Nu staan er aan van de zijdes van het park flats tussen het eigenlijk park en de eerstvolgende straat. Het park

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] grenzen van een park

2009-07-03 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Je kan het park gewoon het park laten tot aan de weg, en de flets erin tekenen, inclusief parkeerplaatsen, trottoirs en wegen. Er lopen ook uiteindelijk ook voet/fietspaden in een park, en mogelijk liggen er restaurants , met toegangsweg voor (zwaar) verkeer. Je krijgt dan wel de situatie dat je

[OSM-talk-nl] SOTM OpenStreetMap Application Challenge

2009-07-03 Thread Christopher Osborne
Hello there This year at State of the Map we are doing a special OpenStreetMap Application Challenge. If you are a start-up or small business that is building applications or services on top of OpenStreetMap, the #GeoMob OpenStreetMap Application Challenge is the competition for you. On Friday

Re: [talk-au] Tagwatch

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: If you attempt to download it other than clicking on the button you do not get the file.  Found that out before. Just downloaded it and its 102mb. I got a map server up and running, however that extract doesn't match the main

Re: [talk-au] Updating the validator plugin...

2009-07-03 Thread Rick Peterson
John Smith wrote: Forgot to ask, is there any more situations that isn't validly shown up as a warning/error but should be, or errors that shouldn't be that are shown up? The ABS boundary data import throws up a LOT of warnings and information notes in JOSM validator. Some might simply ignore

Re: [talk-au] Updating the validator plugin...

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote: The ABS boundary data import throws up a LOT of warnings and information notes in JOSM validator. Some might simply ignore the errors! Others might do some 'interesting' adjustments in an effort to clear the errors. I just

Re: [talk-au] Updating the validator plugin...

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: occur, in fact when I marked an ABS boundary as highway=unclassified it didn't show up as a warning about being unnamed. Actually looking through code it seems no highway=unclassified will throw up an unnamed error.

Re: [talk-au] Updating the validator plugin...

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
I submitted a bug about all the false positives I'm getting, feel free to add to the list: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/2803 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [Talk-br] Rotas

2009-07-03 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Pois é, a maioria dos serviços de rotas usam só os dados da Europa, o http://öpnvkarte.de/ http://xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/ é a mesma coisa. Sabendo o número, você pode ver a rota renderizada dessa forma: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/37415 e http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=37415

Re: [Talk-br] Rotas

2009-07-03 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Tem um plugin novo para o JOSM, mas não cheguei a testar http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Routing []s 2009/7/3 Arlindo Pereira nig...@nighto.net: Pois é, a maioria dos serviços de rotas usam só os dados da Europa, o http://öpnvkarte.de/ é a mesma coisa. Sabendo o número,

[Talk-de] OSM einsteigerunfreundlich - im Gegenteil

2009-07-03 Thread Dirk Stöcker
Hallo, viele Diskussionen in der letzten Zeit haben ja behauptet, dass OSM einsteigerunfreundlich ist. Ein Bekannter hat an einer Universität seine Studenten in OpenStreetMap und Wikipedia mitarbeiten lassen. Sein Fazit war, dass die Mitarbeit bei OpenStreetMap entgegen seiner

Re: [Talk-de] Zwei OSB-Seiten?

2009-07-03 Thread Sven Sommerkamp
Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 21:10:07 schrieb Rotbarsch: Hallo! Wir sitzen gerade beim OSM-Stammtisch im Essener Unperfekthaus und haben da mal eine Frage: Es gibt anscheinend zwei Openstreetbugs-Seiten: http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com Auf der

Re: [Talk-de] OSM einsteigerunfreundlich - im Gegenteil

2009-07-03 Thread Markus
Hallo Dirk, viele Diskussionen in der letzten Zeit haben ja behauptet, dass OSM einsteigerunfreundlich ist. Dann wird in dieser Behauptung vermutlich auch einiges an Wahrheit und Verbesserungsmotivation (und vielleicht sogar Verbesserungsideen) stecken. die Mitarbeit bei OpenStreetMap ist

Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England

2009-07-03 Thread Markus
Hallo Ulf, Die Mapper werden gefragt und können sich frei für oder gegen die neue Lizenz entscheiden. Dazu brauche ich eine für mich verständliche Entscheidungsgrundlage. Als Nicht-Jurist (und schon gar nicht mit Spezialgebiet Lizenzrecht) benötige ich valide exemplarische Praxisbeispiele,

[Talk-de] SOTM: State of Germany-Vortrag

2009-07-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, traditionell (sofern man das bei einer so jungen Veranstaltung sagen kann) gibt es auf der SOTM aus verschiedenen Laendern einen Bericht: Was hat man im letzten Jahr erreicht, wie weit ist man so insgesamt, was sind die grossen Themen in der Community und so weiter. Ich habe den

Re: [Talk-de] Hall of Fame - Strassen komplett erfasst!

2009-07-03 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Moin Willi, Rainer Knaepper schrieb: mein Royaltek hat am Grund von Kamin 1 leider kein Signal gehabt :-) Rainer Frage: und wann lädts du 2-6 hoch ? :-) Darinnen ist es wohl zu finster, afaik sind die abgedeckt. Der erste zwecks Besichtigungsmöglichkeit jedenfalls nicht:

[Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! die Dumps aus OSMB werden als SQL-Statement angeboten - hat einer von Euch ein Werkzeug um daraus GPX oder noch besser OSM-Dateien abzuleiten. Am besten EXE (Windows) oder Perl. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Zwei OSB-Seiten?

2009-07-03 Thread Jonas Krückel
Les doch mal den aktuellen thread auf talk zu der Zukunft von bugs in osm dazu. Gruß Jonas Am 03.07.2009 um 08:16 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Hallo. Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 schrieb Rotbarsch: Es gibt anscheinend zwei Openstreetbugs-Seiten:

Re: [Talk-de] highway=incline Steigung

2009-07-03 Thread Schorschi
Moin, noch mal im Nachgang: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline gibt es ja ... und erreicht das, was du willst - und was ich für sinnvoll halte. Dazu hatte ich auch mal Kommentare auf den anderen incline-Seiten (mit der Punkt-Definition und bei dem Proposal) hinterlassen, damit man

Re: [Talk-de] WG: www.freietonne.de - Upload unserer Seekartendaten nach OSM gestartet

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Jesse
Hallo Andreas, diese Woche war Streß, ich habe jede Frage jedes Interessenten persönlich per Mail, und seit gestern auch in unserem Chat gestellt bekommen, und beantworten müssen. Fast niemand traut sich, seine Fragen hier oder bei uns in der Liste zu stellen. Das scheint mir eine seltsame

Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England

2009-07-03 Thread northcape
Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb dgdg: The mailing lists are one of the largest communication problems. Important informationen disappears within a few days really? if you know how to use mailing lists nothing disappears, so don't blame the list. for me they are a very effective way to

[Talk-de] mit SPLITTER auf bz2-Dateien direkt zugreifen

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! mit mkgmap etc. kann man Bearbeitungen direkt auf eine bz2-Datei (Windows) ausüben. Weiß einer von Euch, ob das auch irgendwie für Splitter möglich ist ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England

2009-07-03 Thread Sven Geggus
northc...@gmx.de wrote: At a first step. Turn the mailing list and use the forum Call me conservative, but I hope we will _never_ need to do this! IMO Webforums are much worse than mailinglists. I have never even read the forum because there _is_ a mailing-list. Efficient handling of

Re: [Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren

2009-07-03 Thread Gary68
hi, in den höheren zoom leveln kannst du links direkt einen gpx export anstoßen http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ oder direkt eine url eingeben http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/api/0.1/getGPX?b=46.52111t=46.53889l=16.28324r=16.31676 oder nur offene:

Re: [Talk-de] Zwei OSB-Seiten?

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! wenn Ihr schon dabei seid und das auch für die allg. Seite vorbereitet dann sollte unbedingt mehrere Sprachen angeboten werden können um dem normalen User (der mal etwas melden will) nicht mit einer fremden Sprache zu verschrecken. Gruß Jan :-) Jonas Krückel schrieb: Les doch mal den

Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England

2009-07-03 Thread Peter Dörrie
Efficient handling of mailing-lists is just a matter of the Software installed on your own machine. Webforums are as dis-organized as the apear on the web and in contrast this can't be easily fixed on the clientside. Could you give some examples for a good software to handle OSM-mailing lists

[Talk-de] Notrufnummern als Attribut zu Ländergr enzen?

2009-07-03 Thread Karl Heinz Wolf
Hallo, wäre es denkbar, an die Ländergrenzen Attribute mit den jeweiligen Notrufnummer des Landes anzuhängen? Das würde einen Überblick schaffen, welche Notrufdienste in einem Land verfügbar sind (also z.B. Feuerwehr, Rettung, Polizei, Bergrettung, Küstenwache, usw.) und mit welcher Notrufnummer

Re: [Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! ich möchte aber nicht noch eine DB wieder installieren. Konvertieren und fertig sollte es sein. Gruß Jan :-) Sven Geggus schrieb: Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net wrote: die Dumps aus OSMB werden als SQL-Statement angeboten - hat einer von Euch ein Werkzeug um daraus GPX oder noch

Re: [Talk-de] WG: www.freietonne.de - Upload unserer Seekartendaten nach OSM gestartet

2009-07-03 Thread Andreas Labres
Hallo Jan! Jan Jesse wrote: Jeder Aufruf unseres Editors holt zunächst die aktuellen OSM-Daten. Unsere Maske wird direkt mit diesen Daten gefüttert. Unsere Maske wird NICHT mit unseren bisherigen Daten gefüttert. Beim Speichern werden die veränderten Daten direkt in die OSM-DB geschrieben.

Re: [Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren

2009-07-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! kann es sein das Dein Beispiel ein leeres Ergebnis liefern würde oder liegt ein Fehler bei mir vor ? Gruß Jan :-) Gary68 schrieb: hi, in den höheren zoom leveln kannst du links direkt einen gpx export anstoßen http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ oder direkt eine url eingeben

Re: [Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren

2009-07-03 Thread gary
Dann trage halt andere daten ein? Ist nur ein beispiel... -- Urspr. Mitt. -- Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] OSMB von SQL auf GPX oder OSM konvertieren Von: Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net Datum: 03.07.2009 10:15 Hi ! kann es sein das Dein Beispiel ein leeres Ergebnis liefern würde oder liegt ein

Re: [Talk-de] Zwei OSB-Seiten?

2009-07-03 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Rotbarsch schrieb: http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org Hi, habe ich gestern mal mit gespielt und hatte meine Probleme: Karte sprang wild hin und her, Bug-Marker waren an falscher Stelle, Zoom-Regler war nicht in sync mit dem tatsächlichen Zoom. OS: XP, Browser: FF 3.0.11 Chris

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