Re: [Talk-hr] osm-extract skripta

2010-01-04 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:26:17 +0100, Željko Filipin wrote: Koliko su velike datoteke? Amazon S3 se meni pokazao kao najjeftinije rješenje za hostanje datoteka ($0.15 GB/mjesec): Trebali bi neko nekomercijalno rjesenje, neki server u nekoj akademskoj zajednici ili nesto slicno... -- pratite

Re: [Talk-hr] osm-extract skripta

2010-01-04 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:10 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: brada jednog planet filea traje 24-48h ovisi o velicini krivo sam rekao planetdiff traje 24-48h, a extract traje 3-6h -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime,

Re: [Talk-hr] osm-extract skripta

2010-01-04 Thread hbogner
Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0100, hbogner wrote: Postoji hrvatska, ali samo trenutna: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ Ovo je poznatno, razlog sto nemaju pravi history me ponukalo da sam napravim kada vec ne postoji nigdje. Postoji arhiva hrvatske, ali

Re: [talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery

2010-01-04 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Nope. Ian is the one who did that partial trace. I guess nobody else bothered to trace some more. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Do we have complete trace of the bounds of Yahoo! imagery? I saw the partial southern bounds for Metro

Re: [talk-ph] I think we can get data for Taguig City

2010-01-04 Thread maning sambale
Good luck! On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I saw my uncle, who is the City Administrator for Taguig, on TV a while ago. He was consulted by XXX (ABS-CBN investigative show) and the show showed him poring over maps to determine whether an

[talk-ph] too much unnecessary place tag

2010-01-04 Thread maning sambale
I don't think it is necessary to add a place=whatever in POIs. Some edits in Valenzuela and Bulacan makes the map cluttered: http://osm.org/go/4zhURduu- I already sent the mapper a message regarding this issue. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is

Re: [talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery

2010-01-04 Thread maning sambale
I closed the loop (not too detailed, its not necessary anyway). Metro Manila and adjacent towns - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 Pampanga Area - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=47537475 Which brings me to the question that's been bugging me last year. Have we maximized the use of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Henk Hoff
Anthony schreef: You grant everyone the right to do anything. You're effectively releasing your content into the public domain. And since OSMF are using a broad non-exclusive licence on the database, and you are arguign that for an individual to do this effectively gives

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Francis Davey
2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Hence not copyright assignment, but basically the same thing.  You give up the right to sue, and the OSMF gets the right to sue. I hope its OK if I butt in here. I'm not a proper OSMF person, just an interested lawyer who reads your list. However I think your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What OSMF _may_ get is a database right in all the bits of contribution that they get from contributors. I say _may_ because database right is not a straightforward. Its quite possible they won't have such a right, but

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What would be acceptable? The current situation is acceptable.  We all grant a license to everyone under CC-BY-SA. which ranges from being basically PD in some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What would be acceptable? The current situation is acceptable. We all grant a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What would be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2010/1/5 Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com: 2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Hence not copyright assignment, but basically the same thing.  You give up the right to sue, and the OSMF gets the right to sue. ... Now *that* is very much not an assignment of copyright. The difference (and the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:02 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/5 Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com: 2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Hence not copyright assignment, but basically the same thing. You give up the right to sue, and the OSMF gets the right to sue. ...

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: Please look up the meaning of the word hardly in a dictionary. I give you one hint: It's not the same as nothing. I disagree however, there is plenty of things to map, land uses, buildings, back tracks etc etc etc...

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: They can contribute GPS traces too! Explaining to people why they should buy a GPS and then how to upload the data is more of an effort than mapping it ourselves :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Cartinus wrote: The Australian outback is vast, but there is hardly anything mappable by survey out there. And in good Australian language, that is BS. There is lots to map by survey, I've been there and am doing it. Please come and join me so you can eat your words.

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Cartinus wrote: Please look up the meaning of the word hardly in a dictionary. I give you one hint: It's not the same as nothing. I've been speaking English for over 50 years, and I don't need instruction on the meaning of words. I'm in the place which you think is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Claus Hindsgaul claus.hindsg...@gmail.com mailto:claus.hindsg...@gmail.com wrote: Just rewind a bit; in the start of this thread, I cited a guideline developed on talk-dk to aid the choice between separate and tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Aun Johnsen
Ok, much of Europe are surveyed, and have good Y! or other Hi-res coverage, US have probably the best Hi-res coverage around, along with Japan, Australia have its Nearmap. What about the frikin rest of the world? I am desperatly trying to map Brazil, and not even half the states have Hi-res

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Also the density of OSM mappers are much higher in US, Europe and Australia, than here in Brazil. The entire Brazilian community is probably smaller in Not sure why you think Australia has a high density of mappers... Considering we have one of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
Drawing separate ways for cycleways/footways alongside roads is nice and simple. Doing it with tags on a single way is about 5 times more complex to tag, but tolerable, and potentially a lot easier to render well. Doing it with areas is maybe 100 times more complex to tag, and cannot replace the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How so? If it's such a big financial burden, and isn't providing any benefit to whoever is incurring the financial burden, then that's even more the reason to take it off the main map. OCM is providing plenty of benefit to plenty

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If OCM isn't going to be open, then it shouldn't be in the main map. Keep it on, for the same reasons that it got put on in the first place - that it shows what you can do with elevation data OpenContourMap?), and with neat

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Mann wrote: Drawing separate ways for cycleways/footways alongside roads is nice and simple. Doing it with tags on a single way is about 5 times more complex to tag, but tolerable, and potentially a lot easier to render well. Doing it with areas is maybe 100 times more complex to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: But I'd also like there to be an open, straight Mapnik (ie no contour overlay and no neat transparent route overlays) cycle-oriented map, to be improved by the crowd. (Ditto a public transport map). I

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Perhaps we do need to fork the project and create openmap.org so we can get away from a fundamental belief that 'the road rules'? But all I am 'shouting for' is that there are hooks to maintain a hierarchy of detail as

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM rewriting history : France is now part of Germany !

2010-01-04 Thread Peter Körner
http://osm.org/go/ueR62iP6 http://osm.org/go/ueR_vjAf Doesnt make sense - its just matter of fixing the mapnik config. I think currently it renders a name for all polygons. This should probably be limited to certain types. The Same Problem arises with Landuses:

[OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Richard Mann wrote: then yes they probably will get converted into tags on the road, just as soon as that renders properly. Rendering gain trumps notional information loss. The Danes are just ahead of the curve. I think they have been too eager to discourage drawing the cycleways separately. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
Look at http://xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/ http://öpnvkarte.de/ and in particular the joins between routed ways at high zoom. Andy does all the routes on a separate layer to remove all the overlaps (some kind of filtering; dunno the details), then recombines. Yes this would be good to do on Mapnik, but I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: But I'd also like there to be an open, straight Mapnik (ie no contour overlay and no neat transparent route overlays)

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread morb . gis
Disclaimer: IANAL and the following is in the Australian context. Quoting Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: But...where do you get the street name from? The street sign on-site. You could argue you have copyright exemption through: Buildings and models of buildings

Re: [OSM-talk] Does Google use automated tracing from satellite imagery ?

2010-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I have noticed that in many places, in countries in which Google does not have significant commercial interest, even many villages have part of their street grid mapped. But looking a little closer, this is a partial mapping of a seemingly random subset of the grid,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest that if and when there is a more open OCM, then you might argue to replace Andy's one with it. I don't see a point in shooting ourselves in the foot before then. Do you see the point in building OSM in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - source example and question about who can input what

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:31 AM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: I not long ago received a photocopy of a hand-drawn map of the roadway network within a company's manufacturing site, [ ... ] This raises a related interesting situation. [ ... ] Rather, such release would need to go through

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/1/4 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk provide directions. In my one simple local case such directions as 'cross road and continue on the other side' are needed for pedestrian routing, but not vehicle. +1 On a busy London road, where railings and pedestrian/cycle crossings are

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Anyway, the answer to my question seems to be use your own judgment, don't tell anyone where you got the information from, and everything will be ok. Which is a weird answer, but ok. Well no. The answer is no it

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Weait wrote: Or as the JOSM message page says, Don't copy from other maps Yes but! in the end it is the individual and his reasoning or conscience that have to decide what is right - or as the OP said, use your own judgment. We don't copy from other maps. Fine. If I am in a

[OSM-talk] Announce: Icelandic OpenStreetMap website now up at http://openstreetmap.is

2010-01-04 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
The Icelandic OpenStreetMap website is now up at: http://openstreetmap.is http://osm.is It's a Catalyst-based application hosted on github: http://github.com/avar/App-OpenStreetMapIs-Web Oh and I don't think there was ever an announcement about the talk-is mailing list, anyway

Re: [OSM-talk] Some time ago ... (was: Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?)

2010-01-04 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 04.01.2010 10:30, schrieb Aun Johnsen: Ok, much of Europe are surveyed, and have good Y! or other Hi-res coverage, US have probably the best Hi-res coverage around, along with Japan, Australia have its Nearmap. What about the frikin rest of the world? I am desperatly trying to map Brazil,

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: The answer is, We don't copy other maps at OpenStreetMap because we respect copyright law and related rights, even if we disagree with some aspects of them. [] There's a difference between doing something which is

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2010-01-04 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Honestly, I don't know if speed bumps would come into play or not. I kind of assume there wouldn't be a primary road which has speed bumps, but I'm willing to be proven wrong on that. Furthermore, there might not be any road

Re: [OSM-talk] Some time ago ...

2010-01-04 Thread Aun Johnsen
Gah! I could kill my webmail client!!! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: Was it intentional that you've send this as private mail? Am 04.01.2010 18:25, schrieb Aun Johnsen: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: There's a difference between doing something which is clearly in violation of copyright law and doing something which might be illegal according to some people's interpretations. I liked your first answer better: I think we're all better off if people would

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: What would Wikinews be like if they had a rule which said don't copy from other news articles, and people interpreted that to mean that if they read Two cases of copyright infringement still doesn't make something legal.

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: You have to be able to copy facts from time to time. And that means you have to use your own judgment as to what constitutes a copyright infringement and what constitutes legitimate research. Use your own judgment? On this issue, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
But...where do you get the street name from? I think there's a general policy that you can't copy it off other maps...but why, exactly? How can a piece of information like the name of the street be copyright? Whose copyright law are we dealing with, anyway? In my country it is quite simple -

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: In my country it is quite simple - it must be verified locally, because lot of sources are quite buggy and full of errors. Sure, imports from local gov. sources would help, but they aren't always available and up to date. We also have vandals who

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 Liz ed...@billiau.net: We also have vandals who steal street signs - the one outside my house is missing, for example. So if you want to know what street you have to ask - but whose information is not copyright? I wonder what the law in Australia is with respect to finding out street

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Perhaps we do need to fork the project and create openmap.org so we can get away from a fundamental belief that 'the road rules'?

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread morb . gis
Quoting Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Richard Weait wrote: Or as the JOSM message page says, Don't copy from other maps We don't copy from other maps. Fine. If I am in a foreign place and I ask a local what the name of the road is, and he draws out his A-Z (saying: I've been

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread morb . gis
Quoting Anthony o...@inbox.org: What would Wikinews be like if they had a rule which said don't copy from other news articles, Well that's different: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca1968133/s103b.html --- COPYRIGHT ACT 1968 - SECT 103B Fair dealing for purpose of

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: You have to be able to copy facts from time to time. And that means you have to use your own judgment as to what constitutes a copyright infringement and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Henk Hoff wrote: If there is a need to sue, we (the Foundation) will sue. Otherwise it will work as a precedence towards other parties. So the individual contributor allows OSMF to distribute his data under ODbL or another license they choose (within a well-defined range). However the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I find it incredibly strange that you're more comfortable relying on the consensus than your own judgment, but hey, whatever works for you. To put it in other words for you, as to what constitutes a copyright infringement, I'm more

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I find it incredibly strange that you're more comfortable relying on the consensus than your own judgment, but hey, whatever works for you. To put it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: To put it in other words for you, as to what constitutes a copyright infringement, I'm more confident in the consensus legal opinion than in my own legal opinion. I wasn't aware that there was a consensus legal opinion as to what

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I wasn't aware that there was a consensus legal opinion as to what constitutes a copyright infringement with regard to casual non-systematic repetition of street names found in an online map. How do you know the copyrighted maps are even accurate, and in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't really decided, and I don't know where the line from non-systematic to systematic is. I don't think anyone does. Hence it's near impossible to ensure you don't step over it - which is why the large majority of

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What if my system is, map all the roads in a 200m radius, then look up the names, then repeat? I'd say that certainly qualifies as systematic. As to your other scenarios, I'm not sure you gave enough information. By

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: And I fail to see how carrying out a pilgrimage to the street in question changes anything. It certainly builds confidence that the names you're entering are correct. A couple of people have tried to sneak this argument in.

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com mailto:snow...@gmx.com wrote:     and always takes the speed up to the next step for a simulation.  So if     maxspeed=50 or maxspeed=60, then 70 km/h is simulated.  

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? The name? Such and such state park Such and such national park? State forests are usually state owned logging areas. Have started adding forest areas

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Jim Croft
does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. jim On Mon, Jan

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.)  The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks Steve, Ok, I linked to the document directly via a Google search, and then didn't see the copyright at the bottom when I looked for that link to post. Might ring BMCC to see what data they have to share. Regards, Michael Write

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: State forests are usually state owned logging areas. here they aren't used for logging, they are actually areas of remnant vegetation without the difficulties of use encountered in National Parks. ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Jim Croft
Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. I was just pointing out they were outside territory of the states, and listed as federal/capital territory, even if the national park doesn't take up the entire area...

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Jim Croft
yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't. Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an international classification/ontology of

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jim Croft wrote: I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... now that is against the spirit of the OSM wiki isn't it? you can't use any outside material. it must be copyright so we will invent our own

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't.  Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Jim Croft
ok - world database of protected areas - database is available for download http://www.wdpa.org/ it's a UN thing so it is almost certainly available for public use in a (c) sense. the IUCN management categories are here http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/categories/index.html jim On

[talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Ian Callahan
I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines as to how to add them to OSM, without

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread Michael Hampson
Thanks All, The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some mapping done at the same time. Regards, Michael On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks Steve, Ok, I linked to the document

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com: I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines

[talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Dale
How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: 2010/1/4 Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com: I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks All, The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some mapping done at the same time. Regards, Michael We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at

[talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread Michael Hampson
Hi All, I edited this road a few days ago and it doesn't seem to have worked correctly. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.687934lon=150.548708zoom=18layers=B000FTFT Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a bit longer? Thanks, Michael

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com: Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a bit longer? There is nothing wrong with what you did, however the code to refresh the cache only works on nodes, and if there is no node on a tile it won't expire the tile, you can force

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Hi All, I edited this road a few days ago and it doesn't seem to have worked correctly. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.687934amp;lon=150.548708amp;zoom=18 amp;layers=B000FTFT Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I think you either wait longer or add a /dirty tag to the end of the url. Please map the roundabout as a roundabout, not as one of those pesky mini- roundabout things, though. I'm trying to remember where it was, some where near Lismore but it had one of those

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread Michael Hampson
Thanks John Liz, That fixed it and I now understand the issue. Re the mini roundabout. I will have a go at it, but I didn't want to touch it. Regards, Michael On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I think you either

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread Liz
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks John Liz, That fixed it and I now understand the issue. Re the mini roundabout. I will have a go at it, but I didn't want to touch it. Regards, Michael Be brave nothing ventured, nothing gained. a circular way (usually) one way

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Dale hang...@fastmail.fm wrote: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
Maybe tourism=attraction and shop=alcohol. Sounds like a more specific tag would be useful though, as you could definitely imagine a grape icon or something being rendered. Maybe propose tourism=winery somewhere. And tourism=brewery while at it. Steve On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ian Callahan

Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The question is, should we move highway= onto the relation for all relations? There's probably a fix for Mapnik to save editing every relation we've done, so I've added a ticket to OSM.

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread James Livingston
On 04/01/2010, at 9:57 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: . Ok, there are a few issues. First, natural= just describes what's on the land, like trees or not, so isn't useful. The right tag would be something like landuse=reserve, although this appears to be still under debate:

Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers

2010-01-04 Thread James Livingston
On 04/01/2010, at 5:19 PM, Mark Pulley wrote: The question is, should we move highway= onto the relation for all relations? There's probably a fix for Mapnik to save editing every relation we've done, so I've added a ticket to OSM. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 I wouldn't

Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: a circular way (usually) Usually square or octagon seems to be common :) one way (get that bit right) This should be assumed, after all, how many roundabouts are 2 way? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo,

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. Just don't ask about UN clinics...

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea if/how/where to get this info for other states? For QLD, a quick search suggests perhaps these sites, as a start: http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/en/Driving-in-Queensland.aspx (includes Guide to Queensland

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-04 Thread John Smith
2010/1/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Maybe it's wrong of me to assume that most of the major ways in Brisbane would have been done to death, but now that I think about it I don't think all the exits are tagged etc.. exit numbers that is, I'm pretty sure the exits themselves have been

Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think it would probably be a good thing if renderers distinguished as little as possible between properties on ways and properties on relations. +1. Tagging the way should override the tag on the relation, where

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