[talk-ph] parcel lot details in Subic

2014-08-13 Thread maning sambale
The most common question by LGUs about OSM is whether it is possible to add parcel data into the db. I always said no primarily because of legal concerns and I think it would be very difficult to map. Unitl I saw this, https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/14.88074/120.20926 Note that the

Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

2014-08-13 Thread Erwin Olario
A bund is also defined as an embankment to control the flow of water. And for reference, the English equivalent for the Tagalog term pilapil is dyke or dike [0] or bund [1]. I am withdrawing my suggestion for the dyke tag, and second Maning's tag man_made=bund as technically more appropriate in

[OSM-talk-be] Mailing list HOT FR

2014-08-13 Thread Jorieke Vyncke
Bonjour, hallo! Je me permets de vous informer d'une nouvelle mailing liste dans la monde d'OpenStreetMap. La mailing liste HOT http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Teamest la liste qui permet d'échanger sur le thème d'OSM dans le cadre de l'humanitaire et du développement. La

[OSM-talk] New mapping satellite

2014-08-13 Thread John Sturdy
Announced in typical Register style: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/13/creepy_satellites_will_be_able_to_zoom_in_on_your_face/ I expect it'll be some time before images become available for OSM, though :-( And I'm not confusing resolution and accuracy! __John

Re: [OSM-talk] New mapping satellite

2014-08-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 13 August 2014, John Sturdy wrote: Announced in typical Register style: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/13/creepy_satellites_will_be_abl e_to_zoom_in_on_your_face/ Mapbox has some more detailed explanations: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/worldview-3-launch/ including an

Re: [Talk-br] Coletar fotos para o Mapillary de byke ou moto

2014-08-13 Thread Edil Queiroz de Araujo
Que legal :D Tenho que refazer aquela e outras postagens em outro lugar, alguns sites governamentais estão fora do ar no período eleitoral. Adorei essas ideias para baixo custo http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/malenki/diary/23409, principalmente o *rack* de madeira.

[Talk-br] Notas falsas

2014-08-13 Thread Erick de Oliveira Leal
Encontraram o aplicativo que gera notas erradas. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070434.html Não disseram quem ainda. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

Re: [Talk-br] Notas falsas

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
Estou entendendo que não era SPAM e que os autores do software bugado se empenharão na reparação. Fica o aprendizado de que a API de Notas está muito frágil, no sentido de possibilitar degradação intencional ou não intencional. Em tempo: o site do Mapillary teve a interface atualizada e eu

Re: [Talk-br] Coletar fotos para o Mapillary de byke ou moto

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
Essa madeira é de um tipo relativamente barato. Também é fácil de trabalhar. Eu sei que o modelo específico http://f.zz.de/posts/201404181623.mapillary__diy_stretview/ é pouquíssimo útil de uma forma direta. Mas ele embute várias ideias interessante. As ferramentas e insumos necessários podem ser

Re: [Talk-br] Notas falsas

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
A interpretação de tal política pode ser um problema. A API de Notas possibilita a criação de uma Nota através de chamada muito simples e pouco criteriosa http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6#Create_a_new_note:_Create:_POST_.2Fapi.2F0.6.2Fnotes. Onde está o literal e o contexto de tal

Re: [Talk-br] Caminhos sazonais

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
No Seridó http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serid%C3%B3 também tem muito disso. Em em muitos outros lugares. E existem balsas e praias que só possuem trânsito com determinado estado de maré. Em 13 de agosto de 2014 20:02, Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoal, como devo

Re: [Talk-br] Caminhos sazonais

2014-08-13 Thread John Packer
Parece que já existe uma chave para isto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal Em 13 de agosto de 2014 20:02, Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoal, como devo proceder no mapeamento de caminho que não tem periodo certo para existir? Por exemplo: vejam

Re: [Talk-br] Caminhos sazonais

2014-08-13 Thread Tarcisio Oliveira
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent [Possible extension to non water ways] On 13-08-2014 20:14, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote: No Seridó http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serid%C3%B3 também tem muito disso. Em em muitos outros lugares. E existem balsas e praias que só

Re: [Talk-br] Caminhos sazonais

2014-08-13 Thread Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro
Eu achei isso aqui também. Não sei se aplica: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ford Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro 2014-08-13 20:42 GMT-03:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: Parece que já existe uma chave para isto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal Em 13 de agosto de 2014

Re: [Talk-br] Caminhos sazonais

2014-08-13 Thread John Packer
Pelo que eu entendi, a chave intermittent=* é utilizada somente em fontes, rios, etc. A chave ford=* tem a ver com áreas de uma via em que pode ter um rio passando na mesma altura da via, ao mesmo tempo. Em 13 de agosto de 2014 20:44, Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu

Re: [Talk-br] Notas falsas

2014-08-13 Thread Gabriel Teixeira
Eu não lembro agora a página exata mas vi isso quando estava procurando sobre aplicativos de criação de mapas na wiki em inglês. Acho que tinha a ver com as pessoas que criam scripts para gerar mapas osm diretamente de mapas oficiais digitais. Se eu achar de novo eu envio a referência. De qualquer

[Talk-br] Mapillary está dando um abraço forte no OpenStreetMap

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
*Era: Re: [Talk-br] Coletar fotos para o Mapillary de byke ou moto* Hoje à noite teve mais atualização de interface, com as seguintes novidades: Link para a imagem: i.imgur.com/1CmvKmx.png - Controle remoto do JOSM - Controle remoto para o ID - sobre isso eu já abri a *issue* #280

Re: [Talk-is] Tenging stíga og rútun fyrir gangandi og hjólandi

2014-08-13 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Sýnist að það séu 46 manneskjur og einn botti (archive) á póstlistanum. Ég var ekki búinn að skoða þetta á wiki. Það væri frábært að fá hjólaleiðahópinn í gang, ef það væri hægt að setjast niður með hjólafólki (eru ekki samtök hjólafólks nýstofnuð) og fara yfir hvernig almennt mat allra er á

[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 212 5.8.–12.8.2014

2014-08-13 Thread wn reader
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 212 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2014/08/wochennotiz-nr-212/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! Am 12. August 2014 17:44 schrieb Christian H. Bruhn br...@arcor.de: In Lübeck haben wir eine building-Relation erstellt, die als outline-member die Gebäudehülle mit den Adressinfos enthält und die einzelnen POIs als contains-member (z.B. [1]) ohne Adressangaben. Warum sollte man in

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 13. August 2014 09:14 schrieb Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Am 12. August 2014 17:44 schrieb Christian H. Bruhn br...@arcor.de: In Lübeck haben wir eine building-Relation erstellt, die als outline-member die Gebäudehülle mit den Adressinfos enthält und die einzelnen POIs als

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 13. August 2014 10:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Weil es nicht zwingend ist, dass etwas innerhalb eines Polygons auch eine Beziehung zum Polygon hat. Doch. Die Beziehung ist: es befindet sich innerhalb des Polygons ;-) Was genau ist nochmal die Aussage der

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Martin Vonwald wrote, on 2014-08-13 10:43: Am 13. August 2014 10:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Weil es nicht zwingend ist, dass etwas innerhalb eines Polygons auch eine Beziehung zum Polygon hat. Doch. Die Beziehung ist: es befindet sich innerhalb des Polygons ;-) Was

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 13. August 2014 11:52 schrieb Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: Martin Vonwald wrote, on 2014-08-13 10:43: Am 13. August 2014 10:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Weil es nicht zwingend ist, dass etwas innerhalb eines Polygons auch eine Beziehung zum Polygon hat.

Re: [Talk-de] Adressdaten in POI nodes

2014-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 13.08.2014 11:52, schrieb Tom Pfeifer: Städte haben viel unterirdische Infrastruktur. Der Imbiss im U-Bahnhof hat keine Beziehung zu dem Gebäude und insbesondere der Addresse im Haus obendrüber. Das sind aber dann eben auch die einzigen Fälle, in denen eine Relation in Frage kommt. Bei

[Talk-it] Toponomastica e specifiche ISTAT

2014-08-13 Thread Marco_T
Ciao a tutti, ultimamente sto' sistemando la toponomastica inserita in OSM aiutandomi un po' con i dati Regionali FVG (un sentito grazie a marco bra per i files civi_no_match che ci ha messo a disposizione) e un po' con conoscenza locale. Purtroppo il lavoro e' lungo e ci si arena spesso a causa

Re: [Talk-it] Toponomastica e specifiche ISTAT

2014-08-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
2014-08-13 19:31 GMT+02:00 Marco_T toto...@libero.it: Cio' comporta, purtroppo, che alcune informazioni riportate sul luogo (es. cartello con strada s. martino) possano essere superate da un provvedimento esecutivo comunale (es. STRADA DI SAN MARTINO). divertente. scopri che dopo 10 anni

[Talk-it] estratti comunali openstreetmap

2014-08-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
Ciao, Fabrizio sbiri Tambussa ha iniziato a rendere disponibili gli estratti comunali, provinciali e regionali di tutta italia dei dati OpenStreetMap. L'intento è quello di renderli disponibili aggiornati ogni 24 ore, a partire dal dump giornaliero OSM. attualmente sono forniti in formato

Re: [Talk-it] estratti comunali openstreetmap

2014-08-13 Thread Fabrizio Tambussa
Il giorno 13 agosto 2014 20:05, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: Ciao, Fabrizio sbiri Tambussa ha iniziato a rendere disponibili gli estratti comunali, provinciali e regionali di tutta italia dei dati OpenStreetMap. Le province per ora non le estraggo. L'intento è quello di

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Coventry changes - new user

2014-08-13 Thread Andy Robinson
A new user has made some edits on the new development in Wood End, Coventry. It probably needs someone to drop by and do a new survey to clean up between new and construction roads as currently both are present following the new edit. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24706794 Cheers Andy

[Talk-es] Correcto etiquetado resultados de Catastro. Addr:housenumber

2014-08-13 Thread Matías Taborda Barroso
Hola. Poquito a poco me quiero poner a importar los datos de varias pequeñas poblaciones que conozco bien y he realizado la conversión con Cat2osm2. Tal como se ha dicho en infinidad de ocasiones, los datos de catastro en cuestión de nombres de calles y números de policia dejan mucho que desear,

[Talk-es] Catastro Córdoba

2014-08-13 Thread Patricio Soriano
Hola a todos Ahora que está aquí el verano y hay algo más de tiempo, espero poder empezar a trabajar con lo datos de catastro para el municipio de Córdoba. He añadido mi usuario a la lista de los municipios de Córdoba [1] pero me he dado cuenta de que no existe el usuario OSM catastro para la

Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Córdoba

2014-08-13 Thread Matías Taborda Barroso
Hola. En principio el responsable de asignar las cuentas de importacion (import_cordoba en este caso) era Jaime pero he visto que esto ha cambiado y ahora es Celso Gonzalez, usuario osm PerroVerd [1]. Supongo que deberías ponerte en contacto con el para que cree la cuenta de importacion y te haga

Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Córdoba

2014-08-13 Thread Patricio Soriano
Gracias Matías. Me pondré en contacto con Celso por correo. El 13 de agosto de 2014, 20:43, Matías Taborda Barroso taborda.barr...@gmail.com escribió: Hola. En principio el responsable de asignar las cuentas de importacion (import_cordoba en este caso) era Jaime pero he visto que esto ha

Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-13 Thread Federico Pértile
Gracias por desasnarme. Yo particularmente entendí que no iban a tener la alturas porque los mapas OSM de Garmin estuvieron mucho tiempo sin tenerlas, algo que uno puede entender como básico pasaron varios meses hasta que me dieron una respuesta posta (varias veces me dijeron que andaban y no

Re: [Talk-pt] OSM 10 anos - Extractos de Portugal

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Neto
Parabéns pela iniciativa, estou certo que irá dar muito jeito. Os dados são actualizados de quanto em quanto tempo? Obrigado. Alexandre Neto Em 13/08/2014 00:25, Marcos Oliveira marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá Geocrafter, obrigado pela contribuição! Contudo estou curioso, onde é

Re: [Talk-pt] OSM 10 anos - Extractos de Portugal

2014-08-13 Thread Alexandre Neto
Sim pode ser uma excelente ajuda. Embora seja preciso que as CM (ou os técnicos) queiram. Considera colocar o site no planet.osm: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm#Downloading Cumprimentos, Alexandre Neto 2014-08-13 8:57 GMT+01:00 The Geocrafter geocrafter@gmail.com: Viva,

[Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

2014-08-13 Thread Marián Kyral
Ahoj, existuje někde WMS vrstva s vrstevnicemi, kterou bych si mohl přidat do JOSM? Občas by se mi hodilo vidět satelitní snímky ve třetím rozměru. Něco jsem našel na UHUL, ale ten sám o sobě funguje hodně pomalu, případně vůbec. A vůbec netuším, jak to mají přesné. Není někde něco lepšího?

Re: [Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

2014-08-13 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj, Ahoj, existuje někde WMS vrstva s vrstevnicemi, kterou bych si mohl přidat do JOSM? Občas by se mi hodilo vidět satelitní snímky ve třetím rozměru. Něco jsem našel na UHUL, ale ten sám o sobě funguje hodně pomalu, případně vůbec. A vůbec netuším, jak to mají přesné. Není někde něco

Re: [Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

2014-08-13 Thread Petr Vejsada
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 02:08:12PM +0200, Petr Vejsada wrote: Hodil by se mi nějaký rychlokurz Mapserveru ;-) ... nebo můžu udělat TMS téměř hned. -- Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-cz] kde lidé jezdí na kole

2014-08-13 Thread Pavel Kwiecien
Ahoj, pokud si v JOSM zapnete mapy Strava cycling heatmap nebo Strava running heatmap, tak uvidíte, kde lidé jezdí na kole / běhají. Určitě tak najdete cesty, které ještě nejsou zmapované. Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien ___ Talk-cz mailing list

Re: [Talk-cz] kde lidé jezdí na kole

2014-08-13 Thread Marián Kyral
-- Původní zpráva -- Od: Pavel Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 13. 8. 2014 14:25:46 Předmět: [Talk-cz] kde lidé jezdí na kole Ahoj, pokud si v JOSM zapnete mapy Strava cycling heatmap nebo Strava running heatmap, tak uvidíte, kde lidé

Re: [Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

2014-08-13 Thread Marián Kyral
-- Původní zpráva -- Od: Pavel Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 13. 8. 2014 14:00:06 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM? Ahoj, v JOSM mám uložené tyto vrstevnice:

[Talk-cz] Ničení adres tracerem?

2014-08-13 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj, objevil jsem území v Kralupech, kde v OSM nejsou žádné adresy, ačkoli by měly být. Jedná se o cesty (budovy), které mají ref:ruian:addr, ale vlastní addr:* jaxi ne. Seznam na http://pedro.poloha.net/osm/zmizeleadresy.txt Kromě jednotlivostí i v jiných městech, kde ovšem adresa nechybí,

Re: [Talk-cz] Ničení adres tracerem?

2014-08-13 Thread Marián Kyral
Ahoj, když tak nad tím uvažuji, tak to bude potřeba opravit. Tracer kopíruje jen tagy building a ruian. Ostatních si nevšímá, takže zůstanou na staré budově, kterou pak následně smaže :-( To mi nějak nedošlo. Marián -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz

Re: [Talk-cz] Ničení adres tracerem?

2014-08-13 Thread Marián Kyral
Beru zpět, já vlastně kopíruji tagy z nové budovy na tu starou :-D Marián -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 13. 8. 2014 19:27:03 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Ničení adres tracerem? Ahoj, když tak

Re: [Talk-cz] Ničení adres tracerem?

2014-08-13 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj, Dne St 13. srpna 2014 19:33:30, Marián Kyral napsal(a): Beru zpět, já vlastně kopíruji tagy z nové budovy na tu starou :-D jo, vypadá to, že to udělal jen v tom jednom changesetu záměrně. Tedy ne záměrně ničit, ale záměrně odstranil ty adresy z budov v domnění, že jsou duplicitní s

[Talk-cz] aktualizace chráněných území

2014-08-13 Thread xkomczax
Zdravím, chtěl jsem se zeptat na aktualizaci chráněných území EEA - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EEA:Nationally_designated_areas_import . Psal jsem si s uživatelem Kozuch, který import před dvěma lety prováděl a ten na aktualizaci nemá vůbec čas. Zmínil ale, že by bylo vhodné provést

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM (MapQuest) sur le Géoportail de l'IGN...

2014-08-13 Thread Nicolas Dumoulin
Le mardi 12 août 2014 23:35:11 Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : Le 12/08/2014 22:35, Christian Quest a écrit : Info pas encore passée ici, mais que je vous laisse savourer en consultant: http://geoportail.fr/url/7FF1IT http://geoportail.fr/url/7FF1IT Chouette symbole :)

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM (MapQuest) sur le Géoportail de l'IGN...

2014-08-13 Thread Samy Mezani
Le 13/08/2014 08:54, Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit : Ils marquent des points là Je ne sais pas s'ils marquent des points car la navigation est toujours aussi lente et lourde par rapport aux sites d'OSM, MapQuest, etc. Que c'est pénible de revenir à chaque fois sur le globe quand on change la

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM (MapQuest) sur le Géoportail de l'IGN...

2014-08-13 Thread Philippe Verdy
Là je suis d'accord, pour le rendu carto web il est grand temps que le Géoportail arrête son truc propriétaire et utilise un framework ouvert qui marche beaucoup mieux et qui permettra toujours de greffer les couches sélectionnables. Que c'est pénible à utiliser ! Mais pour être honnètete, je

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM (MapQuest) sur le Géoportail de l'IGN...

2014-08-13 Thread PierreV
Génial... par exemple on peut enfin visualiser la couche parcelles cadastreIGN superposée aux données IGN... ou l'occupation des sols RPG -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-MapQuest-sur-le-Geoportail-de-l-IGN-tp5814352p581.html Sent from the France

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM (MapQuest) sur le Géoportail de l'IGN...

2014-08-13 Thread Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
Il n'existerait pas en layer wms ce calque cadastre ? Le 13 août 2014 16:58, PierreV belett...@hotmail.fr a écrit : Génial... par exemple on peut enfin visualiser la couche parcelles cadastreIGN superposée aux données IGN... ou l'occupation des sols RPG -- View this message in

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Colin Smale
This sounds very sensible. Can/should it be extrapolated to cover other cases where the signposting (or lack of it) of a road number contradicts the official version? I am thinking specifically of B-roads which are still officially classified as such, and indeed frequently rendered as secondary

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 01:22, Robert Norris wrote: However I am in favour of this edit, but I think the edit needs to *only* change 'C' Roads, as some B roads are tagged tertiary. Ditto. But it's a bit like the 'name' problem where a few roads have locally known names, but these are not displayed on signs

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread David Woolley
On 12/08/14 23:08, Rob Nickerson wrote: 6, The Hollies, Birmingham Road, Town, Cases I've seen are maisonettes and parades of shops. I've used: housenumber: 5 street: The Hollies, Birmingham Road but that is more to ensure the data is captured than because it really seems right to me.

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/08/14 07:37, Lester Caine wrote: On a slightly different tack, the tertiary road designation is more of a problem. While not advocating 'tag for routing', this is one that is making my own use of OSMAND almost impossible, and I can't believe others don't find the problem. It refuses to

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 12/08/14 20:18, Rob Nickerson wrote: So... how do people tag UK addresses? The standard for representing addresses in Britain is BS7666, which comprises: * Primary addressable object name (PAON), * Secondary addressable object name (SAON), * street, * postcode, * locality (if

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Dan S
2014-08-12 23:18 GMT+01:00 Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com: On 12/08/2014 22:46, Derick Rethans wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/08/14 20:18, Rob Nickerson wrote: Example 1 Flat 2 8 Something Road, Town, ... addr:flatnumber=2 I actually have used addr:flat here

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 08:20, Tom Hughes wrote: On 13/08/14 07:37, Lester Caine wrote: On a slightly different tack, the tertiary road designation is more of a problem. While not advocating 'tag for routing', this is one that is making my own use of OSMAND almost impossible, and I can't believe others

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Ed Loach
Dan wrote: addr:flats = 1-5;The Garden Flat;The Penthouse This one is news to me. It seems a bit quirky to use addr:flats=3 to represent Flat 3 but if it's used then I'll use it. Do yall use it? (I think I've used addr:unit before, but never been sure)

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 08:58, David Woolley wrote: On 13/08/14 08:29, Lester Caine wrote: rest can be cloned from the postcode - or some other unique ID for the related object. Only if you have purchased access to the PAF or National Gazeteer. Capture of the former, on OSM, is patchy, and of the

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Matt Williams
On 13 August 2014 01:22, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote: AFAIK there are some (but very few) roads where the C number is sign posted but not that I'm aware of any explicitly. Whether any of these have ever been captured in OSM is hard to tell. Near where I used to live there's an

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 07:37 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: On 13/08/14 01:22, Robert Norris wrote: However I am in favour of this edit, but I think the edit needs to *only* change 'C' Roads, as some B roads are tagged tertiary. Ditto. But it's a bit like the 'name' problem where a few roads

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 10:02, Derick Rethans wrote: It's not only C roads. When looking at Nairn (because of a reported storm damage to a road) I noticed lots of U-references. Have a look at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/194703765 and surrounding area. I doubt those are on signs either, and

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 09:51 +0100, Matt Williams wrote: On 13 August 2014 01:22, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote: AFAIK there are some (but very few) roads where the C number is sign posted but not that I'm aware of any explicitly. Whether any of these have ever been captured

[Talk-GB] Unsigned road names (was C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/08/2014 10:05, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 07:37 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: But it's a bit like the 'name' problem where a few roads have locally known names, but these are not displayed on signs :( Need recording but not necessarily displaying. I think thats an important

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 01:22 +0100, Robert Norris wrote: Ignoring the source information for now, but I suspect it is very similar to rights of way information in that it is probably derived from OS maps. The following overpass query highlights the issue, Norfolk standing out as

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Will Phillips
On 13/08/2014 09:11, Lester Caine wrote: On 13/08/14 08:58, David Woolley wrote: On 13/08/14 08:29, Lester Caine wrote: rest can be cloned from the postcode - or some other unique ID for the related object. Only if you have purchased access to the PAF or National Gazeteer. Capture of the

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 12 August 2014 20:08, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I propose that nothing is removed, but the ref tag for tertiary and unclassified is moved to official_ref. This will retain the data and allow OSM to be used by those who can make use of this data. I know we should not tag for

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Will Phillips
I use addr:flats regularly. I've recently been mapping high density areas around the city centre where a high proportion of the residential addresses are flats, often in converted factories. Here it seems worthwhile to add flat numbers when they are displayed outside the building. Here's an

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 11:36, Will Phillips wrote: 2. I don't agree that tagging only postcode and 'addressable object' is a good idea. To convert that into a full address requires access to a closed database. Surely the whole point about OSM is creating useful data that is open? At the moment we don't

[Talk-GB] Licences for Highways and PRoW data (Was: C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 12 August 2014 20:08, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: We have discussed this subject a couple of times and have, I think, concluded that displaying the ref (generally only known to local government people) on roads that are unsigned is not helpful to the end user. Ignoring the

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/08/14 11:54, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: When it comes to U-numbers for unclassified roads, I can see that they usually add unnecessary clutter to the map. So while they may be useful to see at times, I'd be in favour of them not being displayed on the default style. But I think

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 12:01 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, Lester Caine wrote: On 13/08/14 10:02, Derick Rethans wrote: It's not only C roads. When looking at Nairn (because of a reported storm damage to a road) I noticed lots of U-references. Have a look at:

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Simon Blake
On 13 August 2014 11:32, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Am I wrong in assuming that all B roads should be tagged as secondary? other than this famous exception that is. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41891313#map=15/54.5039/-2.6589 There's also

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread SK53
Postcodes simply do not solve address issues. They may mean that we can somehow handle any place where the Royal Mail delivers post (given privatisation possible Scottish independence, this could conceivable be rather fewer places than it is now). However, addresses have other purposes than

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 13 August 2014 12:19, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 13/08/14 11:54, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: When it comes to U-numbers for unclassified roads, I can see that they usually add unnecessary clutter to the map. So while they may be useful to see at times, I'd be in favour of

Re: [Talk-GB] Licences for Highways and PRoW data (Was: C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 12:15, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: As far as street names and numbers are concerned, it is the council that is the official authority on these. They have to maintain a written List of Streets Maintainable at the Public Expense. Again if you can persuade the council to let

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 12:38, SK53 wrote: Postcodes simply do not solve address issues. I'm not saying they do ... Only that there is no point adding 'University of Nottingham, University Park, NOTTINGHAM' to every single location on the campus when 'NG7 2RD' provides the same information? That there are

Re: [Talk-GB] Licences for Highways and PRoW data (Was: C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread Andy Robinson
The NSG is a closed shop run by the OS and other stakeholders for the management of street works. When the NSG was set up a few years ago I tried to get access and initially during their pilot I sort of did, but this was cut off when the system whet fully live and access limited to the LA's and

Re: [Talk-GB] Licences for Highways and PRoW data (Was: C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 15:40, Andy Robinson wrote: The NSG is a closed shop run by the OS and other stakeholders for the management of street works. When the NSG was set up a few years ago I tried to get access and initially during their pilot I sort of did, but this was cut off when the system whet

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
I have carried out a first changeset, can anyone spot anything wrong before I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24727341#map=8/52.507/-3.796 Thanks Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Andy Allan
On 13 August 2014 12:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: I would still maintain that the benefits of having reference numbers shown to users on highway=tertiary roads (in terms of allowing them to cross-reference the map to official documents) outweighs the

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Andy Street
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:36:51 +0100 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I have carried out a first changeset, can anyone spot anything wrong before I continue? If you are changing ref = official_ref then you ought to change source:ref = source:official_ref as well. Other than that I

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread John Baker
Beware you should follow the mechanical edit policy for this. I would also change the wiki pages for this that currently state we should have the ref for c roads in ref. From: p...@trigpoint.me.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:36:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] C

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 13 August 2014 17:36, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I have carried out a first changeset, can anyone spot anything wrong before I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24727341#map=8/52.507/-3.796 Someone's already pointed out the need to change any source:ref tags

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads again

2014-08-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 13 August 2014 18:14, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 August 2014 12:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: I would still maintain that the benefits of having reference numbers shown to users on highway=tertiary roads (in terms of allowing

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread David Woolley
On 13/08/14 11:36, Will Phillips wrote: 2. I don't agree that tagging only postcode and 'addressable object' is a good idea. To convert that into a full address requires access to a closed database. Surely the whole point about OSM is creating useful It's also a database which is incomplete;

Re: [Talk-GB] Licences for Highways and PRoW data (Was: C roads again)

2014-08-13 Thread David Woolley
On 13/08/14 12:15, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: They have to maintain a written List of Streets Maintainable at the Public Expense. Councils also allocate addresses for streets not maintained at public expense (and it is my impression that many new residential streets, including most

Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses

2014-08-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/08/14 17:06, Derick Rethans wrote: On 13/08/14 12:38, SK53 wrote: Postcodes simply do not solve address issues. I'm not saying they do ... Only that there is no point adding 'University of Nottingham, University Park, NOTTINGHAM' to every single location on the campus