Re: [Talk-GB] Pub meetup in Fulham tomorrow evening, reminder

2011-03-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 March 2011 17:03, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Andrew andrewhainosm@... writes: The meetup tomorrow evening (8th March) You mean tomorrow, Thursday 10th March? Yes it is tomorrow, Thursday 10th March. Details here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread Grant Slater
On 18 February 2011 15:51, Vladimir Vyskocil vladimir.vysko...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there is no XAPI server available for a long time, what's going on ? Is this service deprecated ? I think XAPI is very usefull for quick extract using rules, it's a shame we can't do this anymore...

Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?

2011-02-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 February 2011 07:07, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 00:04 +, David Groom wrote: I just want to draw attention to the survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WFVK6XS , the link was mentionedn Richard Weait's email to this list on 1 Feb, but I have to

[OSM-Talk-ZA] SA Power Grid Rendering

2011-02-06 Thread Grant Slater
Hi, Myself along with some others have been adding the power grid network. Bing imagery is high enough resolution in many areas to see the pylons. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Power_networks/South_Africa Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA

Re: [Talk-ca] User: Acrosscanadatrails wiki.openstreetmap house cleaning effort

2011-02-02 Thread Grant Slater
On 2 February 2011 21:02, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, (talk-ca list). With thanks to Frederik Grant, who have kindly flagged all of my wiki contribution pages for deletion, i have now fully backed-up all of these pages. You have left off a pertinent fact... you

Re: [Talk-GB] os.openstreetmap.org down?

2011-02-02 Thread Grant Slater
On 26 January 2011 18:02, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 17:58, m902 m902@gmail.com wrote: http://os.openstreetmap.org/data/ is timing out for me. This has happened frequently over the past couple of weeks. Then an hour or so later it's OK again

Re: [Talk-GB] os.openstreetmap.org down?

2011-02-02 Thread Grant Slater
On 2 February 2011 15:31, Chris Moss mosch...@googlemail.com wrote: Thank you Tom, can you tell me a little more as I'm a newbie. The only thing I can find on the wiki is the developer's FAQ: I've been blocked from the API for downloading too much. Now what? Our API is mainly intended for

Re: [OSM-talk] Creative Commons: Use CC for databases

2011-02-01 Thread Grant Slater
On 1 February 2011 20:31, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: It is a very interesting statement, though. It is not, as you imply, a reason for not agreeing to the Contributor Terms (these would still allow us to go for CC 4.0 licenses), but I hope that the Foundation keeps this

Re: [OSM-talk] Creative Commons: Use CC for databases

2011-02-01 Thread Grant Slater
On 1 February 2011 20:39, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Source: https://docs.google.com/a/firefishy.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_101d2sqnzfg If that link doesn't work repeated here: http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/2/2e/20110118_LWG_Meeting_Minutes.pdf Regards Grant

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 January 2011 00:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, what happens now?  Has Frederik appointed himself as top-dog in the JOSM project, above and beyond the maintainer? Frederik was the JOSM project maintainer for a number of years before he handed off to Dirk and others. He

Re: [Talk-GB] os.openstreetmap.org down?

2011-01-26 Thread Grant Slater
On 26 January 2011 17:58, m902 m902@gmail.com wrote: http://os.openstreetmap.org/data/ is timing out for me. This has happened frequently over the past couple of weeks. Then an hour or so later it's OK again. Perhaps crashing and restarting? Anyone else seeing this, and anyone know what's

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] House numbers in Pretoria and Johannesburg ETA 2012

2011-01-25 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 January 2011 16:23, Anton Damhuis antondamh...@cybersmart.co.za wrote: What phone at Game are you referring to? I have been looking at getting a new phone with GPS, and R1000.00 seems reasonable to pay. Likely the Vodafone VF845. Tech Specs: * Processor: Qualcomm 528MHz * OS: Android

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 January 2011 18:58, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: XAPI currently uses 2 servers:  * xapi.org.org: Hardware provided and hosted by OSM sysadmin team. Sysadmin policy that the code needs to be open source. 80n remove the source code dump in December. So you're saying that

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I get higher-resolution imagery in JOSM?

2011-01-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 January 2011 16:23, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: What would be slick is if the blank tiles could be automatically detected and then previous imagery overzoomed instead of displaying the blank tiles. Yes this was added yesterday to JOSM version #3774 or above.

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-06 Thread Grant Slater
On 6 January 2011 10:54, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 05/01/2011 07:39, Lester Caine wrote: Dave F. wrote: There's a lot of people on this list... Err... So? We would prefer less of the bad language. THAT is grounds for a simple ban! Yes you're correct, I regret the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Thread Grant Slater
On 5 January 2011 12:09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Nothing will be removed on 1st April. 1st April only means that you will not be allowed to edit *with your old account* if you haven't agreed to the CT. Can you clarify this?  I understood that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Thread Grant Slater
On 5 January 2011 04:13, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 January 2011 04:37, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: That is true. If OSMF wanted to release the data as PD, it would have to delete any OS OpenData-derived content first. I still don't understand how data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-20 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 December 2010 20:16, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Download the license from the OpenGeoData post, it is called Bing Maps Imagery Editor API License FINAL.pdf That's quite curious.  Several non-Microsoft

Re: [OSM-talk] What was that website that showed recent edits?

2010-12-20 Thread Grant Slater
On 21 December 2010 02:32, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for this dopey question. Quite a few months ago, someone posted about a website (a UK mapping company from memory) that, amongst other things, had some visualisations of recent edits to OSM: colour code by user, or by

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 December 2010 16:53, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Have you read? Microsoft mention a whole lot more than what link to http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/12/01/bing-maps-aerial-imagery-in-openstreetmap.aspx Try the google cache version:

[OSM-talk] NOTICE: Scheduled Maintenance - Tuesday Morning

2010-12-13 Thread Grant Slater
OSM, Please copy this to local lists as appropriate. Tuesday 8:45am (14 December 2010 GMT/UTC+0) the API and editing on www.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable during hardware maintenance. The maintenance is expected to take 1 hour. Technical: Replacing a failed RAID Controller Battery.

Re: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Scheduled Maintenance - Tuesday Morning

2010-12-13 Thread Grant Slater
On 13 December 2010 15:40, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 15:24, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Please copy this to local lists as appropriate. With announcements like these could you please send mail like this to local-conta

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CT clarification: third-party sources

2010-12-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 December 2010 10:01, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: About three or four months ago there was discussion about adding clarification about free and open license, to add both share alike and attribution clauses. I don't think I'm being contrivertial when I say by far the majority

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-08 Thread Grant Slater
On 8 December 2010 10:58, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: This is simply because we are at the voluntary phase of agreeing with the CT right now. If you wholeheartedly agree with the CT, then you can indicate

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 December 2010 22:53, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Franics writes: What do you suggest? The only practical option I can see is for OSMF to supply a list of approved third party licenses that are compatible with OSMF and refuse anything not licensed under one of those. This or a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 8 December 2010 00:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2010 10:37, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:58:26PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: ODbL is not a PD license, so you do not have to be afraid. The Contributor Terms effectively

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Grant Slater
such a shame he, and others keep doing this. On 8 December 2010 11:08, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Disappointing as ever... [citation needed] What is disappointing is you can't or won't spend the time to brush up on the history of the license debate, or when you see a false

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 8 December 2010 00:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2010 10:37, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:58:26PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: ODbL is not a PD license, so you do not have to be afraid. The Contributor Terms effectively

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Grant Slater
On 3 December 2010 16:21, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Rather, as Francis pointed out: A mistake? Someone infelicitously drafting the licence? It does happen you know :-). Or, as ever with OSM, never attribute

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Aerial images from Microsoft/Bing

2010-11-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 November 2010 19:28, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft has given OSM permission to trace from their Bing aerial images, subject to certain restrictions on the editor being used. For the foreseeable future it will only be available under the Potlatch 2 editor which is currently

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference (from osm-talk)

2010-11-26 Thread Grant Slater
On 26 November 2010 21:37, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Grant Slater wrote: There have been many round of question, answers and many revisions. The LWG spends at around 25% of their time just keeping minutes. I'm a member of the LWG, we are all volenteers

Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin

2010-11-26 Thread Grant Slater
On 26 November 2010 10:32, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. Luckily we are using github, which has real performance :

[OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference (from osm-talk)

2010-11-25 Thread Grant Slater
John, On 25 November 2010 20:15, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just a comment from one of the 130 who has voted yes on the recommendation of one of the people I thought was fairly sensible here and I now regret taking his advice.  I now strongly suspect I should have spent six

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference (from osm-talk)

2010-11-25 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 November 2010 23:17, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the link.  It seems essentially to say no imports since we reserve the right to change the license at any time in the future so you can't make agreements with third parties and judging by the visuals we've seen so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] JOSM and spam

2010-11-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 November 2010 02:10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 12:05, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Frederik is a generous and respected contributor to the OpenStreetMap community. His record speaks for itself and he doesn't need me or anybody else to stand

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] JOSM and spam

2010-11-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 November 2010 02:22, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 12:14, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 02:10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 12:05, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] API down?

2010-11-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 24 November 2010 20:51, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Is the API down? I can't download anything in JOSM. No, API seem ok to me. Can you access http://www.osm.org/ ? / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 November 2010 03:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 12:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: landuse, and at a stretch, bike paths etc. I guess John Smith will be mapping out the boundaries of the coverage? Should be interesting. There is no news

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents

2010-11-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents

2010-11-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 November 2010 13:23, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents

2010-11-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 November 2010 14:14, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Here is some data: node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2 changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z tag k=name v=McDonald's/ tag k=amenity v=fast_food/ tag

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents

2010-11-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 November 2010 14:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over, Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only in Europe - is that so? What difference does it make? It does not effect ODbL and that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile

2010-11-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 November 2010 17:41, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.de wrote: This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? Same answer for the Potlatch...

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 20:02, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I find this quite offensive. Because I have discussed things and asked questions, while indicating that I do not agree, I have been treated extremely rudely on other OSM mailing lists, in particular by persons in 'high

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 20:13, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: If we get an agreeable licence for the main sources of non-survey data (I'm including at least Nearmap and the Bureau of Statistics data in that - what about Yahoo?) then this becomes a little more manageable. Easiest first.

[OSM-Talk-ZA] Mapping Progress Video

2010-10-25 Thread Grant Slater
Talk-ZA, Geofabrik recently made some videos showing European mapping progress: http://opengeodata.org/see-the-openstreetmap-coverage-evolving Not to be outdone, I asked for a South Africa video: http://vimeo.com/16105837 It is a bit zoomed out, but fun none-the-less. There is also an animation

Re: [Talk-de] offline des wiki (wiki-taxi)

2010-10-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 October 2010 08:00, Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net wrote: weiß einer ob man irgendwo ein xml-dump der osm-wiki ziehen kann um diese im offline-reader wiki-taxi [1] nutzen zu können? http://dump.wiki.openstreetmap.org/ / Grant ___ Talk-de

Re: [OSM-talk] tile downloader

2010-10-21 Thread Grant Slater
On 21 October 2010 14:32, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work around this by automatically changing the link for the stored tiles? This would also harm friendly projects with small tile-download-rates though. If it is technically possible to identify this application they could

Re: [OSM-talk] planet.openstreetmap.org down / replication broken?

2010-10-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 October 2010 13:06, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: it seems the replication broke as planet.openstreetmap.org is unreachable. f...@bs6:~$ ping -c3 planet.openstreetmap.org PING planet.openstreetmap.org (128.40.168.99) 56(84) bytes of data. Yes we are having problems with the machine

Re: [OSM-talk] planet.openstreetmap.org down / replication broken?

2010-10-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 October 2010 13:14, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Also note ICMP ping is blocked via our host. Huh ? Why ? Isnt a simple reachability check better be done with icmp echo request? I mean icmp amplification attacks are not really an issue today with reverse path filtering ...

Re: [OSM-talk] Server down?

2010-10-06 Thread Grant Slater
Should be back now. / Grant On 10/6/10, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that at least one of the Mapnik tile servers is down, as is the wiki. This also affects Bing's mirror (which is apparently not a mirror?). But http://mapper.acme.com/ seems to use only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Checking if I understand correctly...

2010-10-05 Thread Grant Slater
On 5 October 2010 08:28, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: andrzej zaborowski balr...@... writes: To answer Steve's question: yes, neither CC-By-SA nor ODbL nor CC-By-SA and ODbL dual-license are compatible with the current contributor terms. Or, in other words, OSM itself is not compatible

[OSM-talk] NOTICE: Tile Servers is very slow

2010-10-04 Thread Grant Slater
Talk, The OpenStreetMap map tile server (mapnik layer) will be very slow for the next 24 hours. [1] Edits to the map will only show up in a few days time for these tiles, but not to worry there are other minutely OSM tile providers available to view your edits. To name a few: -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Slater
On 1 October 2010 21:55, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Would you kindly indicate how you are going to remove it? Discussion on handling how to measure 'clean feed' data was started here: (same problem) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2010-August/020124.html There is also

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 September 2010 13:15, ke...@cordina.org.uk wrote: But since the licence hasn't been implemented yet, surely the final decision on choice needs to be made now.  Practice has clearly changed since 2008. If the decision was set in stone in 2008 why wasn't there a big warning when the OS

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 September 2010 18:34, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:  On 29/09/2010 13:21, Grant Slater wrote: The legal advice is that OS OpenData _is_ compatible. Do you know what date it got recorded in the LWG minutes? The message was via email outside the weekly minutes. But it was badly

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?

2010-09-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 September 2010 11:26, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously there are many exceptions to your rule, like the TIGER import. TIGER isn't a good example of a successful import. The TIGER import killed a fledgling community in the US, which is now only slowly recovering. TIGER has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 September 2010 16:49, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Thanks 80n, but those are your words and views. Where are you quoting these numbered responses from? I see, minutes from the LWG meeting last night. 2 of 7 LWG members in attendance. I wasn't on the call as I had

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 September 2010 18:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Yes our legal council believes CT/ODbL is compatible. The lawyer did supply a breakdown and reasoning why he believes it is compatible

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 24 September 2010 10:36, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Dave F. dave...@... writes: OS Opendata compatibility with the new proposed license Contribution Terms as they're worded *at this moment*. The current contributor terms for new accounts require you grant a licence to the OSMF to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 24 September 2010 12:10, David Dean dd...@ieee.org wrote: Grant, On 24 September 2010 20:21, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Ordnance Survey's OpenData license specifically allows sub-licensing, restricted by the need for attribution. There isn't a conflict with the 'free

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-24 Thread Grant Slater
On 24 September 2010 14:06, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The CTs state: You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder Which seems fairly clear to me. It then goes on to say If You are not the copyright holder of the Contents, You represent and warrant that You have

Re: [Talk-GB] OS 10k file name problem

2010-09-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 September 2010 19:07, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Since it would seem that OS are not going to fix the file name problem with the 10k image files, has anybody made a start on correcting this problem. http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?rename ;-) Specifically the example:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Grant Slater
On 17 September 2010 11:26, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: With this response b) was seen as compatible. Under a) it was advised there is an issue of sub-licensing. Asking source author for permission to contribute under CT was an option; as was to keep distributing said specific data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 September 2010 19:29, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:  On 16/09/2010 16:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: If it isn't will this mean previous traced/imported Opendata will have to be removed? If the incompatibilities in the licenses / CTs are not resolved before the OSM license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 September 2010 21:26, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: This clashes with the legal advice giving to the Licensing Working Group in that OS OpenData's license _is_ compatible with ODbL and the Contributor Terms

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 September 2010 23:46, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 08:38, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Sure.  Aren't there AU gov't sources that would be nice to have permission to use? You keep seeming trying to divert attention from the major issue, the

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 September 2010 14:28, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if we have lost the use of NearMap as a background or is there an issue with Potlatch 1.4? Nearmap withdrew their support for the people using the new contributor terms. The OpenStreetMap foundation is

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 September 2010 15:14, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Who was it prompted by? Did NearMap themselves request it? There was a specific question from a AU community member to NearMap if the option should be removed. They said yes. -- Third hand, I was not part of the discussion.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 September 2010 13:12, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: Is Google Maps(MapMaker) now starting to use OSM data?  I've been adding a lot of data to OSM this past month, and have seen that data also appearing on Google Maps.  Most blatant is a screw-up I made to the coastline in my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 August 2010 10:36, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM data without permissions, and it is thus not truly open: - with CC-BY-SA, you'd have to ask every contributor the permission to fork their data (or is only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 August 2010 07:23, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Duane, Not at all, I never consider that OSm would move to an incompatible contract system and away from copyright/copyleft.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 28 August 2010 15:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: please see this as well, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL_comments_from_Creative_Commons What is missing there is that Creative Commons have said that a CC-BY-SA license is not suitable for a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 August 2010 00:48, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 August 2010 09:39, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I haven't made a statement about the Kosovo information. I'm sure that whoever has imported it has made sure it would be compatible with future license changes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 August 2010 01:33, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: John Smith as you are aware, the LWG is still in discussion with NearMap. Will this be in discussion for the next 2 years? Hell no. I see it being sorted out fairly quickly. As per update email to talk-au list the LWG has

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 28 August 2010 23:01, ed...@billiau.net wrote: The presence of those first 2 pages, named as they are, is an anachronism. The vote has been dropped, so don't expect to be asked to vote. The last page title sums up the current approach of OSMF to the licence - We are changing the licence

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 28 August 2010 15:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: please see this as well, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL_comments_from_Creative_Commons What is missing there is that Creative Commons have said that a CC-BY-SA license is not suitable for a

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Grant Slater
On 29 August 2010 02:05, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 23:44 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: PLEASE... Follow ups on legal-talk list. Thread started here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/004221.html A, maybe this explains why

[talk-au] Update from Licensing Working Group

2010-08-25 Thread Grant Slater
OSM AU, Just a quick update... The Licensing Working Group (LWG) is still in positive discussion with NearMap. Unfortunately we have been unable to schedule a conference call this week due to difficult scheduling (EDT, BST, CEST WST timezones). We have a call scheduled for early next week. The

[OSM-talk] NOTICE: Scheduled Maintenance - Tuesday Morning

2010-08-20 Thread Grant Slater
OSM, Please copy this to local lists as appropriate. Tuesday 8:00am (24 August 2010 GMT/UTC+0) the API and editing on www.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable during a hardware upgrade. The upgrade is expected to take 1 hour 30mins. Regards Grant Part of the OSM Sysadmin Team

Re: [Talk-de] öpnvkarte.de noch aktiv?

2010-08-20 Thread Grant Slater
2010/8/19 nimix melchiorm...@gmail.com: Wie vielleicht mach einem aufgefallen ist, wird nicht mehr nur Europa sondern die ganze Welt dargestellt! Wunderbar! Danke. Kapstadt: http://www.öpnvkarte.de/?zoom=12lat=-33.943lon=18.522 / Grant ___ Talk-de

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 August 2010 11:07, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just answer this for start. No, they have to make

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 August 2010 12:18, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: It might very well be true. I still think a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual,snip free. Basically, the OSMF asks us to trust it because it doesn't trust us, right? No. The OSMF is protecting itself from being

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Software Freedom Day 2010 Pretoria

2010-08-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 August 2010 15:05, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: We've been invited back to software freedom day and I said yes. It's on 18 September at the Department of Science and Techonology on the CSIR campus. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Africa/SouthAfrica/Pretoria Awesome. Anyone

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Software Freedom Day 2010 Pretoria

2010-08-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 August 2010 16:01, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: There is also this map: http://openmtbmap.x-nation.de/maps/africa/mtbsouth_africa_and_lesotho.exe My personal preference is: (German but easy enough to navigate) http://download.raumbezug.eu/garmin/osmGarmin.php?id=3

Re: [OSM-talk] Replication stopped

2010-08-12 Thread Grant Slater
On 12 August 2010 17:29, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I was just trying to figure out why a lake I traced last night hadn't been rendered yet. After double checking tagging, relationing, etc I finally looked at munin[1] and noticed that yevaud stopped getting diffs almost 10 hours

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of Australian data

2010-08-12 Thread Grant Slater
On 12 August 2010 12:28, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as though if someone ran a bot to add just one tag to most of the streets in (say) Canberra and then failed to agree to a re-licence, then all those streets in Canberra would be thrown away in their entirety (or

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of Australian data

2010-08-12 Thread Grant Slater
On 12 August 2010 13:05, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - just to clarify. If I've edited a road then the bot does it's thing and then I make further improvements, the bots effect can be automatically  removed without losing either of my edits. I don't know the details yet,

Re: [OSM-talk] The story of one ticket.

2010-08-10 Thread Grant Slater
On 10 August 2010 19:29, Aleksandr Dezhin a.dez...@gmail.com wrote: What am I doing wrong? I would understand any response: We (DWG) do not believe that here we need to do something or no compelling evidence that this is a bad import, or something else. For me the problem here is not how much

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-08-10 Thread Grant Slater
On 10 August 2010 11:26, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Grant pasted this from LWG minutes on IRC earlier today: It wasn't well received. It would be overly restrictive for the project. Who knows what we'll be doing in 10 years time? Misquoted. That is not for the LWG minutes.

Re: [talk-au] Revert 5439540?

2010-08-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 August 2010 15:51, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: You are right, That account was also only created 13 hours ago. I just downloaded the changeset in JOSM and I will revert it shortly. Not sure what to do with the user though. Assume it was an innocent mistake, offer help. If it

Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 August 2010 23:01, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:54, 16 towal...@gmail.com wrote: Just being evil-minded and petty; I wonder if this hint should be added (discretely) to, say, the Australian Tagging Guidelines. Might as well keep up the image of them

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Grant Slater
On 4 August 2010 14:00, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The whole relicensing effort would be a bit of a non-starter if this deletion process cannot be done. During late 2008 and early 2009 a user inappropriately imported (and amend existing OSM data) into OSM for Lithuania from what was strongly

[OSM-Talk-ZA] GIS Course in Joburg

2010-08-02 Thread Grant Slater
Hi Guys, City of Joburg seems to be offering a GIS course to the public later in the year. Might be of interest to some OpenStreetMappers. Clare van Zwieten of PositionIT Magazine posted these brief details: http://twitter.com/clarevanzwieten/statuses/20129815832 If anyone goes, please poke

Re: [OSM-talk] ssl for wiki.openstreetmap.org

2010-07-29 Thread Grant Slater
On 28 July 2010 12:24, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: I wonder why there is no ssl-support for the wiki. It woudb be nice if I could enter my password and changes with an encrypted connection and not just plain text. I'll set it up in a few days. We already have a certificate. / Grant

[OSM-talk] Help Moving Server Romania to London

2010-07-28 Thread Grant Slater
Talk Talk-ro, talk-ro: could someone please translate this email. A generous OpenStreetMapper in Timisoara, Romania has offered to donate 2 unused Dell servers to OpenStreetMap. The servers are needed in London, England. The machines weigh around 35kg each. Using a shipping company seems to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-26 Thread Grant Slater
On 25 July 2010 18:49, Todd Huffman huffma...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to a reference on this?  Ideally there would be a resource which laid out which jurisdictions one can put something into public domain. LMGTFY; http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 / Grant

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-07-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 21 July 2010 05:36, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how complete it is, but there is a list of data sets and the licenses: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog If there are any known entries missing, please add them. LWG has put out a request for

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-07-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 July 2010 00:08, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog *snip* Grant What's the lower limit for inclusion on this list?  It says rather vaguely more than a few hundred nodes. 80n Those that imported the data, they make the decision. We have

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 July 2010 18:23, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There''s also signs that the project is starting to splinter. Experimental forks are beginning to appear... 80n, you were one of the people agitators pushing for a fork. / Grant. ___ Talk-GB

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