[OSM-talk] Contours server (was: Re: ski pistes)

2008-03-17 Thread Steve Hill
Contours layer presented by openpistemap is simply great. Does it exist a server publishing only this layer? I'm not sure how that would work - you really need the contours data set to be the bottom layer, with the normal layers on top of that (is it possible to ask OpenLayers to render the

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server (was: Re: ski pistes)

2008-03-17 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote: There's also the amount of time it would take to render the tiles. It takes over 15 hours to render the contours used on the cycle map, and all things considered that covers a very small % of the planet surface at any kind of decent zoom level. It's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server

2008-03-17 Thread Steve Hill
Dave Stubbs wrote: it's faster to just let it use swap, I I/O load hits my server pretty hard. Trying to do anything else while that's happening is quite painful. :-/ Doing it without the heavy I/O load is preferable, even if it takes a couple of days - it can just trundle away in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server

2008-03-18 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I looked at the code the other day and it seemed rather inefficient. Fixing it will be a PITA though... Would be very nice though, I'm think of looking into it when I have time... I was pondering rewriting it from scratch with the aim to

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server (was: Re: ski pistes)

2008-03-19 Thread Steve Hill
Just a quick follow-up with some numbers for disk space usage for those interested. I had a go at importing 10 metre contour lines for the whole of Eurasia into PostGIS - latitudes of 0 - 46 degrees North required about 110 gig of disk space for the Postgres table and amounted to around 105

Re: [OSM-talk] re contours

2008-03-20 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, elvin ibbotson wrote: Treating contours as shape files seems to me to be heavy on storage, downloads and processing. I have made a proposal in the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relief_maps#a_proposal to use relief shading as a background to mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: and you can also limit the length of these GPS connection lines (draw.rawgps.max-line-length=x, in metres), for those cases where you get crazy zig-zagging. I had noticed a while ago that JOSM appeared to handle GPX files incorrectly (and

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'll investigate that. However with data retrieved from the server, you don't even get the trkseg structure, you just get a ton of individual points and have no chance of finding out whether they belong to the same segment or not! Ouch - I hadn't

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: * It is now possible to have arrows on the lines connecting GPS points (draw.rawgps.direction=true), I'm seeing a couple of slightly odd things with the GPS direction arrows: (screenshot) http://www.nexusuk.org/~steve/josm-gpsarrows.png They

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Are you saying every single arrow points the wrong way? Because that would be an easy fix to make ;-) Yes, seems to be the case :) This happens when lines of length 0 are drawn. I suspect that those tracks that suffer from the east arrows have

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Steve Hill wrote: Are you saying every single arrow points the wrong way? Because that would be an easy fix to make ;-) Yes, seems to be the case :) To complicate things more, the direction arrows on data imported from a local GPX file are the right way around, so

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: railway=incline

2008-03-31 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Cartinus wrote: Almost nobody would accept it if we suddenly had to use railway:name=, highway:name=, etc. on all ways just because there are some places where people want to tag the street and the the tramway on the same way object. What you'd need is a solution that

Re: [OSM-talk] Dry-weather roads

2008-04-02 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: I think some variation on the access tag make more sense, if only 'access=dry_season'. Good idea. Afterall the road/route is always there (ie. not intermittent), it is just not passable with normal vechiles. The *water* on the road *is*

Re: [OSM-talk] Dry-weather roads

2008-04-02 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: water=tidal and water=seasonal, then?? Sounds good to me, possibly with an optional qualifier tag such as: water:tidal:height=4(flooded by tides 4m above datum) water:seasonal:dates=09/01-03/31(flooded September 1 - March 31) -

Re: [OSM-talk] Old names

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, David Janda wrote: It appears to me that the name_old tag is meant for one name. But what to do if there are several? I am against the idea of name_old1 name_old2 and so on as these names I am refering to are in many cases so old that the order is not known. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Lighthouses

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, OJ W wrote: Tagging notes/discussion is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dlighthouse If anyone has comments on the tags etc, then please do join the discussion I've put together a bare-bones proposal for tagging buoys:

Re: [OSM-talk] Lighthouses

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Steven te Brinke wrote: Besides that, IMO starboard and port are not a good way to specify the type of a buoy. That is because in the Netherlands buoys are placed in the downstream direction, with green at the port side. However, at sea they are placed towards land,

Re: [OSM-talk] English version of OSM foldout flyer

2008-04-04 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Great to see that the work is being put to other uses! (Meanwhile I had to order a second print run of the German flyer as the first 5,000 copies are already gone!) Has anyone handed these out to random members of the public yet? I'm interested in

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In the UK, road numbers are unique (apart from about three cases where local councils have cocked up, e.g. the B4027) This isn't entirely true - take, for example, the A31, which goes from Guildford to Winchester and then vanishes as it joins the

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Which will omit anything tagged ref=B4027;B4028 or some such. Ok you said there shouldn't be any of those in the UK anyway so I guess you're fine... Then the API needs to be improved - we shouldn't be adding unnecessary data to work around

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, David Earl wrote: And to take the A11/A14 example again, if the A11 in effect disappears where it is coincident with the A14, the A11 is discontinuous. I'm not sure why we need to treat the whole discontinuous A11 as a single road. In this example, as far as I can tell we

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: If it's done consistently, one can still create relations automatically later if desired. But this is kind of the point - if you are able to automatically create the relations (and presumably automatically fix them if someone makes the way tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: I assume it will usually be easier to check a machine-readable relation than to compare tags. Possibly. There may be cause for having machine generated relations which are kept up to date by the server when data is committed so the people editing

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Stephen Gower wrote: Suppose I wanted to walk the whole of the A34 while I was 34 as a charity gig? Ok, either: 1. You have lots of ways tagged with ref=A34 2. You have lots of relations tagged with ref=A34, one for each discontinuous section of the road (which may be

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: It might not be the A11 from the point of view of who is in charge of maintaining it, but it is the A11 from the point of view of someone following the route of the A11 to get somewhere. Therefore it should be in a relationship as part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: It's not subjective, it is officially signed - the signs say A14 (A11). This happens all over the place in the UK A roads network. Don't road numbers in brackets generally mean leads to rather than part of? I can't see how you can argue that

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Lester Caine wrote: How DO we currently identify all roads in the UK, so that we don't end up with some of the simply silly links that the likes of Autoroute returns when asking for a location. We need a consistent UNIQUE index method that will allow all 'ref=M11'

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are on. Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it unambiguously shows which road the stop is on, but it doesn't allow any indication as to

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: You don't think that searching for M11 should produce one result for a road that covers the whole country, and searching for high street should produce hundreds of separate results? But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gaps in

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, graham wrote: I have mapped quite a few bus stops where the bus stop is on a pedestrian island and I want to show not only 'side of road' but also a fairly exact physical position. I'd be reluctant to give that up to plonk all my bus stops in the middle of the road...

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote: (2) A relation for that road's notional route, that contains the relation above *plus* the (usually obvious) connecting bits that give you a single, long distance route from A to B. Which bits you use to connect the disjointed sections are a rather

[OSM-talk] Maplint warnings

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
Maplint seems to be throwing up not-in-map_features warnings about stuff that is on the Map Features page. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.68309lon=-3.91837zoom=15layers=0BTT There are warnings for the direction=clockwise tags on mini roundabouts, power=tower nodes and

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote: In that case, would the use of highway relations be restricted to such cases where there is one *official* route, with differing refs? Official by whose authority? I am not aware of the UK highways agency publishing official routes for these gaps

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote: It's specified in the Statutory Instrument issued by the Government. I've no idea if we're unique on this, but it's a big planet :) Sounds like ref=M7;N7 is the correct thing to do in this case then. As for what the renderers should do, that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-09 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Niclas Andersson wrote: I've always used a node in the way to represent a bus stop. This works fine when there's a stop on each side of the road. Otherwise I've made use of the bus_direction=(N|S|E|W) tag (from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Buses ) on the node to

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-09 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Cartinus wrote: Up till now I used the node in the road method. But lately I have been thinking about how routing applications would use osm data. I doubt bus companies will be using osm to route their busses. But when routing for pedestrians, you will want to be able to

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-09 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Steve Hill wrote: I think this is the one I was thinking of: http://www.transportdirect.info No, sorry, it was probably http://www.traveline.org.uk/ - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis

[OSM-talk] Unexpected :)

2008-04-10 Thread Steve Hill
That's rather unexpected: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-122.084187lat=37.42216z=17 :) - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence

Re: [OSM-talk] Unexpected :)

2008-04-10 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, maning sambale wrote: Well, they do censor their images, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_blurred_out_on_Google_Maps Why not, in their streetmaps? Dunno.. I just didn't expect them to censor their own offices from their own map :-/ - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL

[OSM-talk] Tagging crags (sport=climbing)

2008-04-10 Thread Steve Hill
The only thing I can see in the wiki for tagging crags is sport=climbing - has anyone been tagging any crags with more information? If so, what tags are you using? - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a

[OSM-talk] Rocky beaches

2008-04-14 Thread Steve Hill
I'm attempting to trace some of the Gower coastline from the (very fuzzy) Yahoo images. But I'm not sure how to tag beaches made up of flat rock. For example, the type of thing shown by this Google aerial view:

Re: [OSM-talk] Rocky beaches

2008-04-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Stefan Baebler wrote: natural=scree perhaps? Scree refers to steep slopes covered with loose stones - this is (very uneven) horizontal solid rock. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis

Re: [OSM-talk] Rocky beaches

2008-04-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Matt Williams wrote: From the proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Water_cover it seems that natural=beach, surface=rocky (or surface=rock?) and optional water=tidal tag if you feel like it :) Excellent - that seems to be a good answer,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rocky beaches

2008-04-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Chris Hill wrote: High and low water marks vary every day, the height of the tides vary a lot.. Correct - anyone who records high and low watermarks on maps/charts will be using the highest and lowest astronomical tides, not the high/low tide of an arbitrary day. Most

[OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-17 Thread Steve Hill
There isn't much guidance on how the sport=climbing tag should be used when dealing with outdoor features. What exactly should be tagged with sport=climbing? Possibilities include: * The crag (probably a node, or maybe a way following a cliff, or an area) * The start locations of

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-17 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Nick wrote: It's worth noting that in terms of climbing grades there are plenty of different systems worldwide to allow for: Yes, I was considering having a tag for each. e.g.: climbing:grade:british:adjectival=VS climbing:grade:british:technical=5b

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-17 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote: And full of frigging namespaces. Yes - I consider this a Good Thing. Please, please don't let the stupid Piste namespacing infect your brain and make you wander round with a namespace-hammer looking for new tagging-nails. I'm afraid I consider the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-17 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Chris Hill wrote: The only person likely to tag climbing routes is someone who understands climbing routes ;-) What about someone just trying to interpret the data stored in OSM's database? It should be obvious what the data is, without having to start looking stuff up

Re: [OSM-talk] Namespaces (was: Tagging climbing routes and scrambles)

2008-04-17 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ben Laenen wrote: There's currently no way to properly tag those kind of restrictions, unless I've missed something... Maybe what is needed to satisfy everyone is *optional* namespaces - if you don't specify a namespace then it is assumed to apply to all of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Chris Hill wrote: I simply don't see namespaces as necessary. In this case I'd draw the building and label it as a supermarket, then add a node for the post office. This seems a very messy solution to me. The building is a supermarket, the post office is only part of

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Robin Paulson wrote: structure=pole highway=bus_stop amenity=post_box Ok, but you still have a potential conflict here. Hypothetically, you could have a timetable tag which applies to both a bus stop (tells you when busses arrive) and a post box (when is the post

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote: Ah, I see the problem. You are taking a tag away from it's context, and then complaining that the tag has no context on its own. Only part of your argument is based around conflicts, but the rest seems to be context. Yes, it's a bit of both - I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-19 Thread Steve Hill
Tom Hughes wrote: Because the name tag is always the name of an object, regardless of what that object is (the amenity=pub tells you what sort of object it is in this case). It is clear to everybody that a name tag is going to tell you the name of something without having to know anything

Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: With the mapnik bitmaps formats, if you assume the bitmap to be a 96 DPI image then the scale should be what you asked for I think. It might be worth mentioning this on the export page itself. In any case, excellent work. I'm going to have to start

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tiles are 256x256 pixel. If you want decent usability you must display three columns and three rows and then always pan by +/-1 otherwise the user gets confused. You could try to simply display one tile but I doubt this will work well. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Dhaka is under water!

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Francois De Ryckel wrote: AS I was working on Dhaka (Bangaldesh) I deleted by mistake some nodes that belong to some coastline drawing Consequences: the whole Dhaka is now under water! (I know is pretty common but it isn't now the rainy season ... 2 more months!)

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-22 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, OJ W wrote: Perhaps the ele=x m tag would be useful here - so that if someone actually tries creating a 3D map of a crag they'll have data to work with... I'm trying to avoid requiring the ele tag because elevation data is hard to get (accurately). However, if someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: For a climbing route it's normally the distance of assent that is of interest is it not and I guess for most traditional climbing routes this is known? Much easier to state the length of the route than the top and bottom elevations?

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: The point has been made by others that the namespace here is unnecessary. We know what length= means here so the climbing namespace is superfluous because what you are tagging is a climbing route. I'm aware the issue is contentious, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: I'll guess we will agree to disagree then. If it works for you ane the other climbers amongst the contributors then of course you can do what works for you :-) I don't think any other climbers have voiced an interest in tagging routes

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Because it was difficult for the layman freeform tagger contributor to decide what the root class should be, for instance is it class=waterway or class=river. I think I'd be inclined to try and make things a bit hiararchical - e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: As I think AndyA pointed out you are not normally looking at a tag out of context, e.g. on its own without any of the other tags applying to the same feature. The problem is that the context isn't clear since there is no designated

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Cartinus wrote: A machine wouldn't know without a set of rules or a hierarchy. Isn't part of the point of OSM to produce a data set that _is_ machine readable? I consider lack of machine readability to be a real problem. plus it is filled with lots of background

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote: You are clearly unwilling to consider the downsides of your namespacing proposals, beyond pure technical matters I am trying to think about all aspects of the proposals. However, so far the only argument against them seems to be that namespaced tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote: You are taking what you believe to be true, and applying it to everyone else. The same can be said for both sides of this discussion. If you think there is no clear winner, then shoudn't the established conventions should take precendence? There are

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote: I can't claim to have the right answer, but I will state that it is not common in geographic software to have namespaced attributes: in general, when this is the case, it is a namespace based only on the object type which has a specific schema.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote: It almost sounds like the proposal is to use namespaces in place of a 'type' property on the object... which I personally think would be a better way to go than to namespace every tag... The idea is to make the context of the tag much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote: And if the occupancy is on a fish pond then it likely does How do you know it's a fish pond? There is no tag that unambiguously identifies the type of object it is. Instead there is a whole load of tags to identify the object, and you have to have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote: It would probably have a tag like man_made=fishpond. I don't know there's a tagging schema for that. How did you know that the man_made tag defined the context? Seriously, I've had enough of this. That's fine, but I'm afraid you haven't convinced me

Re: [OSM-talk] Climbing routes

2008-04-26 Thread Steve Hill
Chris Hill wrote: Leaving the namespace issue aside, how would one collect the information about climbing routes? The routes I climbed didn't have signs or the like to gather from the site. All of the climbing guides I have that describe the routes, including their name, grade,

Re: [OSM-talk] namespaces and copyright

2008-04-26 Thread Steve Hill
elvin ibbotson wrote: Chris Hill is worried about copyright issues with climbing routes and this is like lots of concerns I have seen expressed such as taking street names from actual street signs rather than from copyrighted material. If it's the name of the street, it's the name of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Europe Statistics

2008-04-30 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Of course this is very simplistic and I believe you will come up with much better measures of progress. Let's hear your numbers ;-) Interesting numbers. I suspect objects per capita would be more meaningful than compressed bytes though (but more

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: [2] Another brilliant example of how people make themselves feel useful by doing the trivially easy bit, c.f. tracing from Yahoo with no intention of naming the roads. I'm just going to voice an opinion (feel free to ignore it :) - putting roads on the

[OSM-talk] Track offsets

2008-05-06 Thread Steve Hill
I've come across a problem with one of my methods of collecting tracks - I'm hoping someone might have some input: I've got a computer in my car which connects to my (old style) eTrex Venture GPS via a serial cable. The computer runs gpsd to talk to the GPS. It also runs Kismet which does

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-07 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Heh. While in london someone tried to explain to me what was so special about all these crossing types. They have names for crossings that here in NL would normal. A crossing with a separate light for bikes, that's like every crossing in NL.

Re: [OSM-talk] contours on main map

2008-05-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Robin Paulson wrote: alternatively, are there any world wide maps out there with contours and osm data, that update regularly? The cycle map and the piste map both have contours for selected areas. I'm generally doing monthly updates to the piste map data. As far as I

Re: [OSM-talk] contours on main map

2008-05-08 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Robin Paulson wrote: maybe i'll do it myself; some transparent png laid over the top of the osm tiles can't be so difficult Have a look at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Contours This tells you how contour rendering has been implemented on the piste map and cycle

[OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-11 Thread Steve Hill
When adding roads, you don't always know what classification of road it is (e.g. primary, secondary, tertiary, unclassified, etc). Quite a lot of people seem to add these sorts of roads as highway=unclassified, with the idea that these can be fixed in the future when the status of the road

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 11 May 2008, 80n wrote: highway=road This is suitably vague, but has a clear enough meaning. Ah, ok - does this get rendered? (It isn't on Map_Features - maybe it should be). - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I tend to do fixme=Road continues or fixme=Footway continues. Although to be honest, in most cases for roads I either follow them as far as they go (when I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 12 May 2008, 80n wrote: Ah, ok - does this get rendered? (It isn't on Map_Features - maybe it should be). No. But you are welcome to add it to any of the rendering engines. Ok, I'll look into doing so. What is the procedure for adding this sort of thing? Just post a patch on the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Brian Quinion wrote: I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Brian Quinion wrote: The only problems I can see is that because it is centralised it is somewhat out of user control - so maybe it should make sense to pull the list of presets from a wiki page (once a day?) and there would be a small amount of server side load to implement it. That would

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Alex Mauer wrote: Isn't a value of unknown in use on several other tags? It is at least on the whole access series of tags (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:access) So highway=unknown would make sense to me. Something like road=unknown might make sense, but because the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Dave Stubbs wrote: Some of us really couldn't care less either way. Frankly, please stop talking about it -- you're not getting anywhere. Actually, I think some fairly insightful suggestions have been made and it is a useful discussion. You don't _have_ to read this thread if you don't care

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: IMO if it's sufficiently unknown that it will have to be revisited anyway for more accurate classification, marking it as a road rather than a complete unknown isn't really going to be helpful to anyone. Sure it is - I know I can drive down a road, I

[OSM-talk] Tagging bridleways

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Hill
I've come across a problematic way near me: It is a reasonably wide road, but the signs at each end say it is a bridleway. It has a gate across the east end end so you can't drive along it from the east, but you can drive along it from the west end. The west end has no restrictions other

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging bridleways

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 13 May 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: This is an example of confusing the physical space with the legal administrative description. Yes, but sadly the highway tag is defined in Map Features to encompass that confusing mixture of physical and legal descriptions. :) (It

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging bridleways

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 13 May 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote: (The High Street in Oxford is nominally the A420, so we tag ref=A420, but it's no good as a through-route - the bollards are a bit of a giveaway - so we tag highway=tertiary.) I'm left wondering why they haven't removed the A-road designation if

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Crossing access types (was: Road crossings proposal - status?)

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 13 May 2008, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: * If two ways cross at a crossing Node, access keys would logically apply to both. Declaring that crossings are somehow special and that access tags on them apply only to the crossing traffic is worse. Ok, sounds like we would need

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging bridleways

2008-05-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Shaun McDonald wrote: I find it interesting that you use motorcar, as I generally just use car, as that is what I think is on the wiki (unless someone has decided to change it). The wiki uses motorcar as the access restriction tag. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[OSM-talk] RFC: Proposed feature, generic road

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Hill
I'd like to draw attention to the highway=road proposed feature and request comments: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Generic_road Thanks. -- - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenPlantMap

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Hill
Peter Miller wrote: I agree. I think we need to adopt a Wikipedia concept of 'notability'. For example... A wood is notable, a large established solitary tree in a park might be notable, but a nettle is not. Is a rare plant notable? I would suggest it is not notable in OSM itself. I'm afraid

Re: [OSM-talk] Rights of way (was: Vote: highway=path)

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Hill
Nick Whitelegg wrote: But that's what foot and horse are for. highway=path could easily be used to distinguish public and permissive footpaths and bridleways. Would it be better to have something other than yes to mean legally enshrined access permission to protect against people tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Hill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The area shares some nodes with the highway, creating overlapping ways. 2. The area shares no nodes and was drawn as close as possible to the road. I couldn't find any recommendations in the wiki on which option to prefer. I prefer sharing nodes. Overlapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-18 Thread Steve Hill
Lester Caine wrote: But it is an area that needs to be fine tuned in the guides! In reality at smaller scales they are never in the same place This depends what you are mapping. For example, I have used shared nodes on beaches - below the high water mark I have mapped a beach with a

[OSM-talk] [EMAIL PROTECTED] style updates

2008-05-20 Thread Steve Hill
Does [EMAIL PROTECTED] pull the latest Osmarender styles from svn every so often? - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: Proposed feature, generic road

2008-05-21 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 16 May 2008, Steve Hill wrote: I'd like to draw attention to the highway=road proposed feature and request comments: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Generic_road Does anyone mind if I raise this for a vote? (Commenting seems to have ceased) - Steve

[OSM-talk] Vote: highway=road

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Hill
Please read and vote on the proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Generic_road Vote with {{vote|yes}} or {{vote|no}}. Thank you. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote: (It's reasonably easily settled - either get Google to give the ok, or rerectify against OSM. Better still, rerectify against OSM's GPS traces alone, thereby sidestepping potential CC-BY-SA issues.) Aren't OSM's GPS traces considered CC-BY-SA as

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