My apologies - fixing that process has been on my list for a long time
(years...). The computer it runs on for some reason just shuts down
randomly, so I often boot it up at work and let it run, but it doesn't
stay up long enough to get through a generation run.
I moved most of the scripts
This particular thing really annoys me. Fair enough if the track is
still in place - go nuts mapping it - but there are disused rail lines
marked up even when the track hasn't been in place for 30 years, and
it's only an historical curiosity. See the Inner Circle railway in
Melbourne for
I'm also very interested in 4wd trails - it's what 80% of my mapping
consists of I think (that, and house numbers in the inner north of
Melbourne)
The current 4wd_only tag was one of the tags I proposed a few years ago
- there was a massive barney at the time over the smoothness=* and
been
retained as a rail trail, road or linear park.
*From:*Matt White [mailto:mattwh...@iinet.com.au]
*Sent:* Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM
*To:* 'talk-au'
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines
Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line that doesn't exist, then
remap the individual
the traces of an old rail line isn't historical mapping. If
there are currently traces there then it's mapping the present.
*From:*Steve Bennett [mailto:stevag...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:02 PM
*To:* Matt White
*Cc:* talk-au
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines
Admin boundaries are a slightly different thing - they may be intangible
on the ground, but they are also current. We don't keep historical
versions of admin boundaries either
The problem with the historical thing is that to my mind, it is a
slippery slope. There's a park near me that is
was it copied from?
Ian.
On 25 November 2012 17:15, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.net.au
mailto:mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote:
A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines.
The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne is mapped in OSM, and
I'm unconvinced of it being a good
I missed most of this discussion - been away on holidays - so I'm
getting in a bit late
Anyway, some thoughts:
* Firstly, David, I appreciate the effort in trying to unify the
4wd/surface/tracktype tag set to make it a little more coherent
* The track type and smoothness tags are in my
A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines.
The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne is mapped in OSM, and I'm
unconvinced of it being a good thing. Here's a little bit of it that I
can talk about with some local knowledge of:
On 24/10/2012 10:20 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
On 24 October 2012 08:05, Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote:
I my humble opinion, surface=unpaved should not be used.
surface=paved should only be used is the surface is literally paved
with brick, bluestone, cobblestone, whatever.
I
A couple of quick comments:
There is a 4wd tag already in use - 4wd_only:yes|recommended (with no
being a pointless value)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:4wd_only%3Dyes There's about 1000
instances of this tag in use in Australia.
There was a proposal kicking around ages ago that
On 21/10/2012 1:35 PM, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
Well said Matt, especially the bit about dirt roads being the fun ones !
I might have made myself a bit clearer about why I posted. Firstly,
because I want to ensure people are happy with proposed edits to the
wiki. But secondly, I'd
Sorry for the delayed response, and the missed emails people have been
sending... I sort of dropped out of the OSM thing for a bit there (the
whole license thing gave me the shits, so I walked away for a while),
but I'm slowly getting back into it.
OK, so hopefully the generation is back on
On 2/02/2012 9:41 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
Does anyone know if there are old (August 2008) Australian
OSM extracts available otherwise I'll start the planet download
(only 5 gig !!!)
I might have them - I've got nearly nightly Australia NZ dumps tucked
away somewhere - whether they go back as
Is it just me, or is there a certain amount of irony in Nearmap not
allowing OSM to use their aerials to trace from, but being quite happy
to use OSM as their street layer?
(Don't get me wrong - I think Nearmap have a very tidy product, but it's
just a pity that a compromise couldn't be
snip A whole lot of angst /snip
I don't often email the list, but I've been kicking around OSM for maybe
four years, and done a bit of mapping here and there, as well as
generating the odd Garmin map for people to use. This email is a bit
rambly, so I apologise in advance.
To be honest, I'm
Having finally finished trawling through talk and legal talk for the last
couple of weeks (there's a few hours of my life I'll never get back), I noticed
people are talking about having multiple accounts to dodge the new CT's (and
possibly the ODbL).
Is it possible to agree to two sets of
I sorted the maps today - stoopid downloads not working, and I obviously
can't write a decent batch script to save my life
Would have fixed it earlier, but not at work to do so - Australia Day
for me generally results in a hangover, as it's also my birthday
Matt
John Kitchener wrote:
Coastlines (and the inverse islands issues) have been onging for ages
for the mkgmap produced garmin files. There's a --generate-sea switch
for mkgmap that sometimes works fine, other times, not so good. It's hit
and miss enough that I've mever enabled it for the maps I generate
Problem seems
There are routable versions of garmin maps on the OSMAustralia site, but
you've got to scroll down a bit to find them - try this link
http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php
It does look like the IMG2GPS setup kit (and site has gone walkabout). I
think I've got the setup kit kicking
machine, but the forgettory isn't what it
used to be
Bit of a bugger - I reckon that IMG2GPS site only went AWOL in the last
week or so - I was there no more than two weeks ago grabbing IMG2GPS,
but it looks like I've nuked the setup kit
Matt White wrote:
There are routable versions
Sorry I've got the email dribbles
Anyway, it looks like the old site is still operational - ish. The
direct download link from the old site is still active. Try this link
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mdipol/img2gps/img2gps_281_setup.exe
Matt
Matt White wrote:
Nope, can't find the IMG2GPS
I should probably know how to do this, but's what's the accepted
technique for tagging the u-turn points and the like in a dual carriage
way? I think they shoud probably be just little links between both ways,
probably of the same highway type as the road they are linking, but they
are
John Smith wrote:
2009/10/12 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com:
If it's from the DCDB data then highway=gazetted_road and don't put anything
in the renderer to show them.
At the moment it's suggested to use highway=road and I was thinking of
doing a special style sheet for mapnik to
John Henderson wrote:
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
The only requirement is that you attribute the data to OSM.
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
In a manner suited to the medium you need to acknowledge the licence.
The stuff I've put onto my Garmin has OSM on the map page
Liz wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Liz wrote:
In my mailbox today
www.aerialimpressions.com.au
We are conducting aerial photography in your area over the next 4 weeks
Save $200 Now $119 Receive 10 proofs of your home or property for just
$119 (incl GST)
Liz wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Matt wrote and John Smith copied:
Either way, the big issue in Australia is trying to get people invloved
in the regional areas, as it's just not feasible for us city folk to leg
it 400km on the weekend to map a town.
400km - do you think that's
John Smith wrote:
I received a reply about the cost to rent a plane, about 230GBP for
one hour and the airport was close to the place they were
photographying and it was mostly a PR stunt.
Due to the sideways angle they are having difficulty rectifying images
and that side of things is being
John Smith wrote:
2009/9/14 b.schulz...@scu.edu.au:
I'm happy to download a few gig of that imagery and post out DVDs to people.
at 250m/pixel it's not worth bothering with.
So what does the commercial imagery cost? I don't even know who supplies
itor what the licensing is
Probably been looking at the quality of the OSM data...
http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/cartech/mapping-australia-one-road-at-a-time-20090825-extj.html
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John Smith wrote:
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
They still don't agree with us, they still think it's just another smoothness
option, except for those from Iceland maybe.
Don't get me started on the absolute uselessness of the smoothness tag...
Matt
James Livingston wrote:
On 21/08/2009, at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter wrote:
John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but
I don't think that's an accurate picture :)
I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the
John Smith wrote:
I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can
others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please.
I now only see one 'Curra' on the map compared to 2 or 3 :)
I probably would have gone with :
big_thing=yes
kitsch=yes\no (yes being the default)
Matt
Sam Vekemans wrote:
In Canada there is a giant plaster moose on the side of the highway.
But someone defaced it, and its missing its jaw.
Now that piece of jaw was found and its in the museum (visitors
Ben Kelley wrote:
OT, but get a different version of the routable maps. I used to have a
version that thought footpaths were great for driving on.
Try the ones from here http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php
My current wish list is declaring a street index so you can search for
John Smith wrote:
Are there any other things people would like to be rendered differently from
the standard OSM tiles?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes
I'd be keen for the 4WD bit to appear after the name for all roads
tagged as 4wd only. Not sure if you've
We had a discussion on local chapters a while ago, and I think there was
a bit of to and fro with Etienne in the UK about setting up an LC here
(can't remember if that was on or off list). At that stage, the OSMF
weren't sure which way was up, but that looks to be changing.
I'd be keen to do
Liz wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote:
Hey, out of interest, how many people on this list are OSMF members?
me
I probably should have kicked it off and said I am a member as well
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John Smith wrote:
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote:
But it's a lot of organisation/hassle etc so whoever is
taking charge
will need a fair bit of time. However, there's nothing
Apart from the exact wording on the rules submitted to the DFT or other
John Smith wrote:
While it's not my proposal I updated it to match the current aussie
guidelines. Please vote for it if you are in favour of this tag so we can get
4WD Only tacked on the end of road ways.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4WD_Only
Australian Tagging
Liz wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote:
Anyway, thanks for kicking it off again, and I was going to say that I
give it 6 hours before some dickhead goes but what about my Lamborghini
- that's 4WD, but I noticed it's already happened on the main list...
mapping by committee
As a down and dirty command, this sort of thing works a treat (you might
need to append -0.6 to each of the commandline options depending on
the version of osmosis you are using)
Based on extracting a subset of data from an OSM file - the bounding box
is a rough cut of NSW
java -Xmx512M -jar
Ross Scanlon wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:41 +1000
Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Have a read of this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts
there are separate tags for traffic calming devices
and no,
Ross Scanlon wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 09:42:07 +1000
Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote:
There's a current position?
I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual
consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't
degenerate into a free
Except if you look at the Brunswick/East Brunswick boundary that runs
along Lygon Street - it gets very wonky as it effectively the rear of
the buildings that front Lygon Street
Peter Ross wrote:
elbourne certainly has suburb boundries the run down the centre line
of the road.
See for
Well, it's all sorted out now (someone must have edited the way for me),
and it's rendering correctly.
Now I'm just waiting for a bushfire to start in that area, seeing as all
the beautiful bush tracks I've mapped over the last year in other areas
have been completely devasted by firestorms
Shaun McDonald wrote:
Good means different things to different users. A racing cyclist,
touring cyclist, and trail/mtb cyclist will all have difference views.
These will be even more different to a wheelchair user, hiker, 4x4
vehicle driver, smart car driver, and a tractor driver. More
I also think that there's different rules or anything published prior to
the 1967 Copyright act... I remeber having the discussion with the
copyright person at the State Library of Vic a while ago, but the finer
points escape me... I can't remeber if it meant 1955-56 was the cut off
point or
Ben Kelley wrote:
Hi.
I have been trying out the Garmin routable maps from
http://osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php and I'm impressed. e.g. The
roundabout tagging is good compared to Radomir's ones.
In travelling to the Blue Mountains this week (west of Sydney) I
noticed a couple of
Cameron wrote:
Matt,
I'm using the South Australian ones on my Colorado 300 and it's great.
There are some problems, but it's far more up-to-date than the maps at
http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/
Some problems: Can't search for addresses or intersections. I can pan
and select places on the
Hugh Barnes wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:41:59 +1100
Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that National Parks and State Forests are
defined by acts of Parliament at the federal and state levels
respectively, so the co-ord are probably
How are people mapping National Park (or state forest or other
government mandated areas)? It seems that in a lot of cases, there is no
way of actually doing an on the ground survey - a lot of the boundaries
aren't marked, the areas can be massively inaccessible etc.
Add to that things like
b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote:
As it stands this hasn't really been addressed. Generally I just mark
what's on the ground, ie the natural=wood boundary as this tends to
give a reasonable indication of the national park boundary anyway.
Obviously this has limits, but unless some government
bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote:
I thought the same when I first started mapping, as I wanted to show
centre pedestrian islands like in the Melways. But the wiki is very
specific http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:junction%3Droundabout
It says that normal pedestrian islands aren't
I bet you thought I was about to wade into the roundabouts discussion...
Nope. Sorry.
Basically, I've been potlatching to my hearts content for the last 18
months, and it's served me well. But the time has come to learn how to
use JOSM... I'm a big boy now, and this will be like the move from
I have rebuilt them off last nights OSM file, using newer versions of
the various packages to generate them. Hopefully, they will be slightly
improved...
Let me know how it turns out - I'm about to give them a go on the 60CSx.
Matt
Nick Hocking wrote:
Matt,
I've just tried out freshly
Recently, for lack of any new GPS traces to work on, I've been wandering
around various parts of the country looking at the state of the major
roads (eg: Western Highway in Vic, Stuart Highway in NT etc.)
A lot of these roads look like they were either traced off Yahoo, or
from a single GPS
Does anyone have any traces of Naracoorte is SA lurking around that
haven't been uploaded?
One of my clients regularly buy maps of Naracoorte (and other towns in
the area) from a commercial map supplier for publication in the local
newspapers, and it costs them ~$400 a time. I spent a while
Roy Rankin wrote:
With the discussion of places, I noticed that on the slippy map with the
mapnik renderer, only the names of Sydney and Canberra appear on the
500km and 200km scales.
Does anyone understand why Melbourne is not shown on the whole of
Australia view?
Probably cos it's
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Robert Vollmert wrote:
I do wonder why people are always jumping on the corner cases to
discredit smoothness=*.
It's not about corner cases. It's about usability. Remembering what
very_horrible means, or absolutely_smashing, or
Douglas Furlong wrote:
This makes is pretty straightforward to tag for all vehicle types
easily
- a tertiary road that has a fair few potholes could be
smoothness=bumpy (given that car is the primary vehicle for the
tertiary
highway type)
smoothness:mtb=bumpy
Douglas Furlong wrote:
2008/12/1 Matt White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Robert Vollmert wrote:
I do wonder why people are always jumping on the corner cases to
discredit smoothness=*.
It's not about corner
Douglas Furlong wrote:
2008/12/1 Matt White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Douglas Furlong wrote:
This makes is pretty straightforward to tag for all vehicle
types
easily
- a tertiary road that has a fair few potholes could
Neil Penman wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering if there was a standard approach to roads that have
two names. That is the street name in a town and the name of the
highway that runs through the town. I found an example in Yass that
seems to work well. Yass Valley Highway:Comur Street. Is this
Introduce a tag that allows ways to indicate explicitly whether a 4WD
vehicle is required to navigate that way. This would also allow routing
engines to take into account such ways, so that non-4WD vehicles aren't
routed onto roads they aren't capable of.
Please see the proposal page for the
I use potlatch almost exclusively (every so often, I play with
merkaator), and I guess I'd just like to say that I think potlatch is
the the ducks nuts. You've done a sterling job, Richard (and others, but
I get the feeling the majority is still Richard slaving away making the
app a fine bit
I think it was to make it easy to work out where the imaging ended when
using Potlatch (well, that's the only reason I can see for said boxes).
Saves you zooming in and out in hte vain hope that there is some images
to trace off
Matt
Liz wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Stephen Hope wrote:
I was just cleaning up some of the areas I mapped a while ago, and
thought I'd put in my first relation to indicate a no right turn at an
uncontrolled T intersection. So I read the bit on Turn relations in the
Wiki, and part of it makes sense (create the relation as a restriction
relation, and
Is anyone else having issues getting data from informationfreeway.org
using OSMXAPI? A scheduled dump I run has started failing all the time,
and a couple of manual extracts are returning nothing. I think my query
is right (certainly my scheduled dump ran nicely for many days). But I
know the
Couple of ideas for potlatch
A make this way straight button would be handy. I know this is
available in JOSM, but I like Potlatch better (mostly cos I do a lot of
country road work and it's just easier to use potlatch to edit, scroll a
bit edit etc than keep downloading new sections in JOSM)
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