Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-28 Thread paul youlten
I suspect that a large part of the problem is in the delay between making an edit and being able to see it rendered on the map. Maybe if Katie had been able to see the effects of her edits on the map immediately she would have stopped and reverted them herself. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:37 AM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/04/2008 17:25, Andy Allan wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in

[OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Skywave
You can convert that file. Just search for 04to05.pl in SVN/TRAC On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/04/2008 17:25, Andy Allan wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 26/04/2008 23:36, David Earl wrote: This user has removed or overlaid quite a few roads around Trumpington, Cambridge, and replaced several streets with cycleways, run a tertiary road along the river and across a farm track, and generally made a complete mess of my careful mapping in

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal footing when it comes to rolling back. Oh. I thought this had been done. It might

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. I thought this had been done. So what happens if someone deletes the whole of Cambridge? What I used to do was after uploading an area I also saved it to disk. So I had saved copies of my neighbourhood. If you noticed

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Earl wrote: If nothing else, Richard, can the apparent bug with the mode buttons be fixed and the text make it clearer that live data is being changed when you press start? It's not a bug as such - it's currently intentional that it defaults to edit the data - but I do agree

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/04/2008 17:49, Skywave wrote: You can convert that file. Just search for 04to05.pl in SVN/TRAC Thanks! That almost worked - the conversion left some empty strings in the XML which JOSM didn't like, but removing those redundant lines got me the data I needed.# With copy and paste

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 27 Apr 2008, at 17:52, David Earl wrote: On 26/04/2008 23:36, David Earl wrote: This user has removed or overlaid quite a few roads around Trumpington, Cambridge, and replaced several streets with cycleways, run a tertiary road along the river and across a farm track, and generally

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Shaun McDonald wrote: I see this behaviour in Safari too. Also if you just go and start working on the data, it assumes start/live mode. I think this should be made modal, so that you can't accidentally choose the live mode, when play is the one that is really wanted. It would be nice to have

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Is the fact that Potlatch does live editing a design decision, or are there technical reasons behind it (i.e. it would be much more difficult to have a Flash editor with a save button)? It's a design decision. If you do buffered editing, you have to a) do conflict management, b)

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: People use Potlatch because it is much quicker to load, learn, and use. This would not be diminished by a save button On which point we disagree, I suspect irreconcilably; and respectfully I suggest the greater cause of OSM usability would be better served by us each

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Ulf Lamping
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Frederik Ramm wrote: Is the fact that Potlatch does live editing a design decision, or are there technical reasons behind it (i.e. it would be much more difficult to have a Flash editor with a save button)? It's a design decision. If you do buffered

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ulf Lamping wrote: This all sounds you're trying to cure the pain of not using buffered editing with adding another concept that will add another layer of confusion ... Fine. I'm really not going to attempt and convince anyone here - one has to be a bit of a pig-headed UI fascist to develop

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: | David Earl wrote: | | If nothing else, Richard, can the apparent bug with the mode | buttons be | fixed and the text make it clearer that live data is being changed | when | you press start? | | It's not a bug as such - it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Jo
Richard Fairhurst schreef: Ulf Lamping wrote: This all sounds you're trying to cure the pain of not using buffered editing with adding another concept that will add another layer of confusion ... Fine. I'm really not going to attempt and convince anyone here - one has to be a