Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 01:00:26PM +, Simon Ward wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +, DavidD wrote: On 20 December 2010 10:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that basically

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:25:05AM +0100, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that basically handing the keys to the OSMF, which is what the new CT's amount to, is not filling me with joy considering their track

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Simon Ward
[Also posted to legal-talk, I suggest follow-ups go there.] In short… On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +, DavidD wrote: On 20 December 2010 10:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Murn wrote: So, can you tell from every edit you did, whether you used nearmap as a reference while doing the edit? If so, you must be one of the very small percentage of people who tagged 100% every change they made or one of the very large percentage of people not from Australia.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Francis Davey
On 21 December 2010 13:33, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: OSMF is asking you to grant them non‐exclusive rights, essentially to do as they see fit, but you remain the copyright holder (where there is any copyright).  I’m unclear on how copyright can be enforced in this situation, but the

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Hope
On 21 December 2010 09:52, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, can you tell from every edit you did, whether you used nearmap as a reference while doing the edit?  If so, you must be one of the very small percentage of people who tagged 100% every change they made, including even

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one edit might

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that basically handing the keys to the OSMF, which is what the new CT's amount to, is not filling me with joy considering their track record to date. I'm willing to do a certain amount of work to make

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:25:05 +0100 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that basically handing the keys to the OSMF, which is what the new CT's amount to, is not filling me with joy considering

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Robert Kaiser
Fabio Alessandro Locati schrieb: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Hmm, is Austria not in Europe any more? Or possibly some problem with your script that there is no entry for it? Sorry, forgot to do it. Now I'm extracting Austria and soon will be present :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread DavidD
On 20 December 2010 10:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:00, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit, however, that basically handing the keys to the OSMF, which is what the new CT's amount to, is not filling me with joy considering their track

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
I'll only answer the technical part: no, the tool doe consider all the edits of a person in the same way (based on their presence in the list published hourly by the OSMF) ;) PS: Austria is now proccessing correctly ;) -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone:

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 December 2010 20:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: this is no way different from GPL released software: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html Actually, it's quite different. The FSF tell you upfront what the requirements are. The OSMF let you spend years working on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 19:00 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Hmm, is Austria not in Europe any more? Or possibly some problem with your script that there is no entry for it? Sorry, forgot to do it. Now I'm extracting Austria and soon will be present :) Robert Kaiser Fabio Locati --

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread Stephen Hope
Fabio, I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. There was some talk of a tool being made available that would let me specify which were OK by

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread john whelan
I'm probably in the same state. I suspect the only honest thing to do is to request that all my data be removed. It seems a bit extreme but could that be done? Yes I did agree to the ODBL change but that was taking advice from some one who I now realise was bias and I didn't go through the

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 11:28 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. I suspect this is a big issue. Pretty much any

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one edit might

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-18 Thread Robert Kaiser
Fabio Alessandro Locati schrieb: Each nation is in it's continent folder, and has two files '_status' and '_not_accepted'. Hmm, is Austria not in Europe any more? Or possibly some problem with your script that there is no entry for it? Robert Kaiser