Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 2:43 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: Since you are involved with updating the rendering, can you tell us the process to decide what should be rendered? I realize that part of it must be stylistic, but what outside influences cause you to include a tag as part of the standard rendered OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-19 Thread Jan van Bekkum
I would assume that in this phase of the OSM lifecycle most new tags would start in specialist renders. For example I expect that the current discussion about campgrounds camp_site=* leading to different types of campgrounds would be rendered in specialist renders for camping first and would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 19/03/2015, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Requiring an accepted proposal plus good documentation sound like a reasonable policy. I would probably add, that the tag is sufficiently used, and/or be very desirable. Note that actual use is far more important than documentation.

[OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I'd like to point to the tagging mailing list, where there is currently a discussion going on, whether the current voting system for voting proposals should be changed. This is the discussion so far: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/22969 Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 March 2015 at 21:43, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Paul, Since you are involved with updating the rendering, can you tell us the process to decide what should be rendered? I realize that part of it must be stylistic, but what outside influences cause you to include a tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/2015 2:44 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: As far as I know, we don't have a policy on which tags to include in the rendering, and there is currently no consensus

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: As far as I know, we don't have a policy on which tags to include in the rendering, and there is currently no consensus within the development team on what the best policy would be. Personally I'm trying to

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 2:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd like to point to the tagging mailing list, where there is currently a discussion going on, whether the current voting system for voting proposals should be changed. Just as a clarification, this is for voting on what it takes to indicate a

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Just as a clarification, this is for voting on what it takes to indicate a tag is approved on the wiki. It is not about if a tag is approved for use, as there is no such thing. No approval is needed to create a new tag, to

[OSM-talk] Voting process

2010-09-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I just noticed that someone changed some time ago the rules for voting. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_featuresaction=historysubmitdiff=424831oldid=422949 I cannot remember that there was any discussion about this. I believe that RFC and voting-announcements should go to

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process

2010-09-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/09/2010 17:12, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I just noticed that someone changed some time ago the rules for voting. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_featuresaction=historysubmitdiff=424831oldid=422949 I cannot remember that there was any discussion about this. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Loach
Martin wrote: I cannot remember that there was any discussion about this. I believe that RFC and voting-announcements should go to [talk], while [tagging] is for discussions about tags and tagging schemes. Perhaps I'm a bit jaded at the moment, but I think [tagging] is a better choice. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process

2010-09-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/1 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:  On 01/09/2010 17:12, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I just noticed that someone changed some time ago the rules for voting. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_featuresaction=historysubmitdiff=424831oldid=422949 I cannot remember

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer I agree to this, but the name isolated_dwelling was the translation I finally found (neither in wikipedia nor in the dictionary) for the German scientific term Einzelsiedlung, which describes the smallest entity of human settlements (below

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread John F. Eldredge
to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:13:32 To: m...@koppenhoefer.com Cc: osmtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread John F. Eldredge
@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open 2010/5/5 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: - Zitierten Text anzeigen - 2010/5/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Sub-hamlet? http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=subhamletmeta=aq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai= 9,600 hits

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/5 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: In English usage, a dwelling is a residence.  So, a farmhouse would be an isolated dwelling; a building not used as a residence, such as a restaurant or train station, would be an isolated building, but not an isolated dwelling. sorry, I wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/5 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Since the English language defines a dwelling as a place where someone dwells, I suspect that the UK government is using the term to mean structures used as residences.  The proposed tag, on the other hand, would classify any isolated building

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:56 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Sub-hamlet? http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=subhamletmeta=aq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai= 9,600 hits

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread Simon Biber
From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Cool, did you notice the first link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_hierarchy That kind of settles it, really. Note that when the Wikipedia article was first created, the lowest-level settlement was called Lone Farmhouse. It was changed

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Note that when the Wikipedia article was first created, the lowest-level settlement was called Lone Farmhouse. It was changed to Isolated dwelling on 14 September, 2006. See the comparison of the contents before and

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Towns and hamlets are usually incorporated in one form or another, isolated buildings aren't, in any case you can tell how isolated a building is by comparing features around it, you don't need to explicitly say it's isolated. I agree to this,

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Err... Aren't those called houses? No. Houses don't generally have names, they have numbers. This proposal is

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 13:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: No. Houses don't generally have names, they have numbers. This Rural properties in Australia, even those close to towns, often have names... Even if the rural renumbering scheme has also given these places numbers... Houses located

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-02 Thread Dave F.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, it could be houses. It could also be a cave or a tent, but mostly it will be houses. This is a term for settlement classification, not about building types. Well, OK, but you did use the term 'households' Why not use the standard landuse=residential?

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Well, OK, but you did use the term 'households' Why not use the standard landuse=residential? Because this is about place and not about landuse. I understand place as a tag for human settlements which vary from very small

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-04-29 Thread Dave F.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Err... Aren't those called houses? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-04-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/29 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Err... Aren't those called houses? yes, it could be houses. It could also be a cave or a tent, but mostly it will be houses. This is a

[OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-04-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/17 Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net: Here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_importancediff=16oldid=333013 Appearance of the page was not changed, {{vote|yes}} was changed to  '''Yes''' and similar change was made for no votes. actually I don't see

Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

2009-09-17 Thread sergio sevillano
Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2009/9/17 Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net: Here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_importancediff=16oldid=333013 Appearance of the page was not changed, {{vote|yes}} was changed to '''Yes''' and similar change was made for

[OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
The discussion seem to have calmed down, so please vote for highway-definition here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_key_voting_importance I suggest to not delete already given votes as they still represent voter's opinion, even if voting wasn't officially opened. cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

2009-09-16 Thread Blaž Lorger
I've noticed that previous votes were changed to simple yes/no text. Should those votes be recast? On Wednesday 16 September 2009 09:46:16 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The discussion seem to have calmed down, so please vote for highway-definition here:

Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/16 Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net: I've noticed that previous votes were changed to simple yes/no text. Should those votes be recast? who changed them? Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-es] [dieterdre...@gmail.com: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition]

2009-09-16 Thread Celso González
dieterdre...@gmail.com - From: Martin Koppenhoefer Subject: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:46:16 +0200 The discussion seem to have calmed down, so please vote for highway-definition here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

[OSM-talk] [voting] geological=palaeontological_site

2009-08-26 Thread marcellobil...@gmail
Deal all, voting is opened: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/geological=palaeontolog ical_site Best regards Marcello B. Proposal-RFC Start: 2009-08-12

[OSM-talk] [voting] historic=paleontological_site

2009-08-03 Thread marcellobil...@gmail
Deal all, voting is opened: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/paleontological_site Best regards Marcello B. - ( proposed: Sun Jul 19 )

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting CanVec OSM Map Features: Attributes common to all entities

2009-06-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, I'm trying to get a definative answer for all the tags. So far so good. :-) it looks like its unanaimous that the 'canvec:description' tags get removed. So thats cool, its not that hard to remove those tags. :) Any comments about the other tags, why they should be removed or kept? Im

[OSM-talk] Voting CanVec OSM Map Features: Attributes common to all entities

2009-06-19 Thread Sam Vekemans
Cool :) (I cc'd OSGeo NRCan, so their in the loop too.) Decisions here means a addition or subtraction of about a Gig or so of data. So this is why i stopped uploading. Would have been nice to have heard more voices from the start, lol.. or maybe i wasn't listening .. lol I'm looking back at

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting CanVec OSM Map Features: Attributes common to all entities

2009-06-19 Thread Ian Dees
In my opinion, the only data that should be imported as tags on geographic features in the OSM database is the data in the OSM Tags column on the Buildings and structures page. The other columns of data should not be included as tags. - The data in the Canvec Feature column is a duplicate of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting CanVec OSM Map Features: Attributes common to all entities

2009-06-19 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/6/20 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: In my opinion, the only data that should be imported as tags on geographic features in the OSM database is the data in the OSM Tags column on the Buildings and structures page. The other columns of data should not be included as tags. Out of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting CanVec OSM Map Features: Attributes common to all entities

2009-06-19 Thread Tyler
Out of the Buildings and structures page, yes, there is however more useful information in CanVec that I think has a place in OSM too, beside the obvious (name, name:fr, etc) on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec_OSM_Map_Features#Attributes_common_to_all_entities page. Yes,

[OSM-talk] [Voting] mtb:scale, a tag a bit like sac_scale for mountain bike trail difficulty

2008-11-27 Thread sylvain letuffe
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mtb:scale The voting period is rather long : 3 month, so please take you time. But I think that's what we lack all the time. Every month i'll give a sumary here of late changes (if any) and the ongoing vote result. As the current dictator

[OSM-talk] [Voting] Re-opening the smoothness vote page ?

2008-11-26 Thread sylvain letuffe
For a bit of history, I have opened the smoothness voting windows for a 3 month period from 2008-09-20 to 2008-12-20 Because I thought, as pieren also privatly suggested me, that voting and RFC are just too short perioded So, in my mind and thought I overcome usual 1 month period with a trade

[OSM-talk] Voting on enforcement (traffic law enforcement)

2008-10-26 Thread Tristan Scott
Can people please have a look at this proposal and vote please? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Traffic_enforcement This is modified after the previous proposal threw up comments about collionions with highway=traffic_signals last time. As for the Compass directions as

[OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Tristan Scott
This is a voting request for traffic_enforcement (as no-one seems to know about it?) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Traffic_enforcement I'd appreciate if lots of people could go vote on this so we can have it approved - I for one would find it invaluable. Such an item

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 17.10.2008, at 13:46, Tristan Scott wrote: I'd appreciate if lots of people could go vote on this so we can have it approved - I for one would find it invaluable. Then don't wait - just use it. If there is *anything* you find invaluable, don't wait for others to say they find it too

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Tristan Scott
Hmm. noting the comments on votes about tag highway it seems that it would be a better scheme to use traffic_enforcement=speed instead of both highway=traffic_enforcement AND enforcement_type=speed Now - this isn't my proposal, I'm just rather keen and willing to try to help. What's the correct

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Tristan Scott To: Frederik Ramm Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement Hmm. noting the comments on votes about tag highway it seems that it would be a better scheme

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Tristan Scott
: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement Hmm. noting the comments on votes about tag highway it seems that it would be a better scheme to use traffic_enforcement=speed instead of both highway=traffic_enforcement

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 06:40:12PM +0100, Tristan Scott wrote: * Common mobile station on a bridge - on a way which has no relation to the direction of enforcement In that case, a relation (no pun intended) would be better. * On a crossroads/traffic signals (red light camera) where two ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 17 October 2008, Tristan Scott wrote: righto; votes cleared. proposal modified. new vote set in a week's time. I'm not keen on the enforcement direction being forwards and backwards. I can think of examples: * Common mobile station on a bridge - on a way which has no relation to

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Ed Loach
Haven't seen any cases where the same camera covers both directions of a dual carriageway, but if it happens somewhere, why not just add two nodes on each side? How about those cases where the camera is between the carriageways and gets swung around to cover opposite sides at irregular

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-11 Thread Marc Schütz
[...] By all means keep the proposal and RFC parts, and maybe back them up with TagWatch links. +1 Regards, Marc -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-10 Thread Tordanik
Shaun McDonald schrieb: In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require extensively more complex processing of the data. Take for example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Status

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-10 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Tordanik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaun McDonald schrieb: In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require extensively more complex processing of the data. Take for example:

[OSM-talk] Voting on platform (railway and bus)started

2008-10-10 Thread Thorsten Feles
As there are no new commends in the RFC for a while, I just started the voting on the platform tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/platform Thorsten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Voting started on the vending machine proposal

2008-09-11 Thread Thorsten Feles
Voting started on the vending machine proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/vending_machine). Please do not hesitate to give you vote ! Thorsten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Voting has started

2008-07-20 Thread wer-ist-roger
Hello everyone, After 1 1/2 month of discussion about tagging the voting for k=highway| v=emergency_access_point has started. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Emergency_access_point#Vote wer-ist-roger ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] Voting Proposed features/Surveillance?

2008-05-07 Thread Jens Herrmann
Hello, I was looking for a way to tag surveillance cameras in my city. On the German mailing list someone pointed me to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Surveillance a proposal made in December 2006 which didnt make it to the voting process. Among the suggestions given in

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:57 +0300, SteveC wrote: Like, er, electing President Bush, or Prime Minister Gordon Brown (no election) ? I'm a pedant, but you never vote for a Prime Minister. You vote for your local MP and

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: Sent: 08 April 2008 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: OSM-Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Voting Sven, I can't remember that ULFL ever claimed that. Ok. There we go again. Nobody has claimed anything, but the fact of the matter is that a number of people seem to think

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:31:02AM +0100, Bruce Cowan wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:57 +0300, SteveC wrote: Like, er, electing President Bush, or Prime Minister Gordon Brown (no election) ? I'm a pedant [...] Oh, if we're being pedantic, I'd like to point out that the British

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/9 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: maybe someone should tell the government? apparently we're all wasting our time voting for them, and 'rough consensus' should be used to decide who's in power. On Wed,

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Paul Hurley
Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: snip I've been critcised for not suggesting an alternative. So here's my suggestion: * Continue your discussion and voting as before * Give yourselves a name (OSM Tagging Task Force or whatever) and create a mailing list. * Do not

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Robin Paulson
On 09/04/2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't expressed my view too much on this aspect of late. I think most know that I'm an advocate of the let it evolve approach. me too. it should evolve - but settling on agreed ways of doing things does not prevent

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Sven Grüner
Frederik Ramm schrieb: But honestly, how can you ever believe that a process run by less than 0.1% of participants in the project can have any authority? I can't remember that ULFL ever claimed that. I also can't remember that anyone in this discussion has given any reason or example

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Sven, I can't remember that ULFL ever claimed that. Ok. There we go again. Nobody has claimed anything, but the fact of the matter is that a number of people seem to think that those who vote make a decision that is a decision of the project rather than a decision of those five people who

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Sven Grüner
Frederik Ramm schrieb: I've been critcised for not suggesting an alternative. So here's my suggestion: * [...] Okay, slowly I realize that I took all this for granted while you didn't. While I'm not yet certain wether you seriously propose such a task force it's no good idea I believe.

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Paul Hurley
Sven Grüner wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb: I've been critcised for not suggesting an alternative. So here's my suggestion: * [...] Okay, slowly I realize that I took all this for granted while you didn't. While I'm not yet certain wether you seriously propose such a task force it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Cowan
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:57 +0300, SteveC wrote: Like, er, electing President Bush, or Prime Minister Gordon Brown (no election) ? I'm a pedant, but you never vote for a Prime Minister. You vote for your local MP and the leader of the party with the most MPs gets to be Prime Minister. --

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Hmmm, you and some other guys effectively sabotaged voting several times. This is not the first time you use the word sabotage in this context. I think it's rather strong language; I have openly expressed my opinion that's all. I just use the wording that I

[OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet architecture fame) today. He said: We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code. Not that I'm into gurus and such but it's nice to see that I am not the only sane person on earth who

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/7 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet architecture fame) today. He said: We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code. maybe someone should tell the government? apparently we're all

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread SteveC
On 7 Apr 2008, at 12:24, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/7 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet architecture fame) today. He said: We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code. maybe someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread paul youlten
...or as Ken Livingstone said: If voting changed anything they'd abolish it. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:57 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7 Apr 2008, at 12:24, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/7 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet architecture fame) today. He said: We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code. Not that I'm into gurus and such but it's nice to see that I am not the

[OSM-talk] voting closed/proposal rejected - hov access

2008-01-24 Thread Robin Paulson
voting has been open on this for 4 weeks. it has now closed, with 4 yes votes, and 1 no vote - the proposal was rejected http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/hov_access it will be moved to the rejected features page thanks ___

[OSM-talk] [voting] shop=laundry

2008-01-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! The corresponding RFC is now more than two weeks ago, with no substantial problems shown up (since it was updated 2007-12-31). Voting is opened for the next two weeks at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Laundry Regards, ULFL

[OSM-talk] voting open - power_plant

2008-01-19 Thread Robin Paulson
this has been around for 8 months now, time to open voting http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Power_plants this proposal has two parts: to create the new power=power_plants tag and make the old man_made=nuclear_power, man_made=solar_power, etc. obsolete thanks

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread David Earl
Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now - over 100 villages in South Cambridgeshire are tagged. I suspect I not the only one. I am tempted to say this is a de facto map feature and add it to the list anyway. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Martin Trautmann
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-16 10:47, David Earl wrote: Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now I do not see any description about the syntax within the proposal - and I feel that a population has to be

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Jan 16, 2008 11:19 AM, Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-16 10:47, David Earl wrote: Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now I do not see any description

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Tony Bowden
Martin Trautmann wrote: precision could be v={1|10|100|h|1000|k|1|10k|10|100k|100|M|1M} Whenever you have just a single number, this should be the current value - but you won't know whether this number is outdated by a day, a month or many years. Both of these seem to be

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Tom Evans
Martin Trautmann wrote: I do not see any description about the syntax within the proposal - and I feel that a population has to be accompanied whenever possible by a valid date. Thus I feel it is not possible to add a pouplation tag directly to a place. Apart from node, way and area this

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/01/2008 11:19, Martin Trautmann wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-16 10:47, David Earl wrote: Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now I do not see any description about the syntax within the

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Sven Grüner
Martin Trautmann schrieb: Thus I feel it is not possible to add a pouplation tag directly to a place. Apart from node, way and area this would require yet another data primitive, such as data Why not KISS (keep it stupid simple)? Like David I've been using this on dozens of places just by

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread Martin Trautmann
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-17 01:23, Tony Bowden wrote: Martin Trautmann wrote: precision could be v={1|10|100|h|1000|k|1|10k|10|100k|100|M|1M} Whenever you have just a single number, this should be the current value - but you won't know whether this number is

[OSM-talk] voting closed, proposal rejected - saltmarsh

2008-01-16 Thread Robin Paulson
this proposal has been open for voting for two weeks now. it has been rejected, with 6 no votes and 3 yes votes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Saltmarsh it will be moved to the rejected features page i will put together a new proposal for sub-keys to the 'marsh' tag,

[OSM-talk] voting open - railway=turntable

2008-01-16 Thread Robin Paulson
this has been open for comments for two weeks now, with no issues http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Turntable voting is now open, for two weeks thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] voting open for url= and

2008-01-16 Thread Sven Grüner
Already trying to avoid unneccesary mails I herewith inform you about open voting for two tags: Links to websites (url=) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Info_on_web-presence Official phonenumbers (phone=) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Phone

[OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-15 Thread Robin Paulson
does anyone know what's happening with this tag? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Population it appears to have been voted on, but it isn't really clear what, the tags were only added after voting had completed. i think it's rejected (11 yes to one no), but the last

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 14/01/2008, Brent Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chill out guys, I'm merely pointing out an interesting anomaly with the current voting scheme. I don't particularly care if you change it or not. I am not having a go at you Robin, who are doing a terrific job. not at all, i didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Robin Paulson wrote: Sent: 14 January 2008 2:41 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool this proposal has been rejected, with 11 yes votes and 3 no votes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Swimming_pool it has been moved

[OSM-talk] voting open - crane

2008-01-13 Thread Robin Paulson
this has been proposed for 2 weeks now, with no disagreements, time to open voting http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/crane thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Alex Mauer
Brent Easton wrote: Interesting. If there are votes both for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes to get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it. In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT voting against a proposal once the first No vote is

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Ian Sergeant
Brent Easton wrote: Interesting. If there are votes both for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes to get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it. In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT voting against a proposal once the first No vote is

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Alex Mauer
Ian Sergeant wrote: This is pretty much what Brent said. The proposal only needs one more No vote to succeed. Is there anyone out there who doesn't like the proposal, who can disapprove quickly? We can then move it to Map Features. Ian. No, Brent said ...it requires 14 Yes votes to get

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Robin Paulson
On 14/01/2008, Brent Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there are votes both for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes to get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it. In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT voting against a proposal once the first

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Brent Easton
Chill out guys, I'm merely pointing out an interesting anomaly with the current voting scheme. I don't particularly care if you change it or not. I am not having a go at you Robin, who are doing a terrific job. Cheers, Brent. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 14/01/2008 at 7:54 PM

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