Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-05 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: For people who have missed why the voting system is broken. Here is a nice example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation It's not the voting which is broken here but the proposal itself which

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-05 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: many users who support a different key. It is hardly used because it only has 53 uses. many ? Those numbers, for both tags, just tell me that most of the users simply don't think that gluten free or diet is something to

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-05 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 4 Jul 2013, at 22:04, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: cuisine=vegetarian has 871 uses diet:vegetarian has 456 uses Because diet:... is approved people are suddenly allowed to write on both the cuisine page and the diet:... page that you shouldn't use cuisine=vegetarian? As far as

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-05 Thread Russ Nelson
Cartinus writes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Users_against_tag_voting Cool, I didn't know there was such a thing. The problem with tag voting is that it is normative. One *should* tag this way. So, should the wiki be describing these norms (which, through the nature of votring,

[OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread colliar
Hi I did move the page [1] a few days to proposal name space and started a discussion on its talk page [2]. On the same time we have a discussion about this issue on tagging@. Now with out discussion the page was reverted and I got following answer on my request to move it back [3]: I do not

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread Cartinus
Hello, Have you noticed that there are many other people within OSM who think the wiki proposal system is completely broken and should be abolished/ignored? Look at the usernames at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Users_against_tag_voting and try to find the osm admins on that list.

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread Cartinus
No that is not beside the point at all. cuisine=vegetarian has 871 uses diet:vegetarian has 456 uses Because diet:... is approved people are suddenly allowed to write on both the cuisine page and the diet:... page that you shouldn't use cuisine=vegetarian? gluten_free=yes has 53 uses

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hello, Have you noticed that there are many other people within OSM who think the wiki proposal system is completely broken and should be abolished/ignored? It's not just the wiki proposal system, but the wiki users. They are

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 04.07.2013 23:04, Cartinus wrote: gluten_free=yes has 53 uses diet:gluten_free has 88 uses This insignificant difference suddenly lets you declare one key as controversial and hardly used? The gluten_free key is controversial because there are many users who support a different key. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Would some wiki admin please move the page gluten_free=* back to proposal namespace

2013-07-04 Thread Cartinus
That is a nice text where you admit that according to you the proposal system somehow magically grants wiki editors permission to vandalize other people's tag documentation and at the same time allows them to document hardly used but voted tags. For people who have missed why the voting system is