Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Williams mark@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Therefore maxheight is a property of the way going under the bridge, possibly 1 way if the road is fragmented in OSM, and ought to be on the whole road from where the sign is until after the bridge. Yup, that

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:22:54 +0200, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I do not agree that they bouth should be treated as maxheight=* If my car with load that is 3m high, and maxheight=3m, but physical clearance is much higher,than you would pass at the speed limit, but

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:25:34 +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:22:54 +0200, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I do not agree that they bouth should be treated as maxheight=* If my car with load that is 3m high, and maxheight=3m, but

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:27:52 +0200, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I am not using maxheight in any of the metrics that involve a travel-time to optimize for so it has no effect on the route other then allowing or disallowing that path at all. Thus at least for me

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: IMHO it is not that important if the way with the limit is only just beneath the bridge, or is somewhat longer or is applied to nodes on either side of a bridge. I recently came across this example where the way with the

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Ian Sergeant
Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: I recently came across this example where the way with the maxheight is a lot longer than strictly necessary. For every day uses this does not really pose a problem. Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of potential problems with this: What

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2) Not only bridges have maxheight but also parking-lots, tunnels, ... and trees even if they aren't explicitly signed.

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread James Livingston
On 28/07/2009, at 11:28 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Apollinaris Schoellascho...@gmail.com wrote: one bridge can cross multiple roads with different maxheight limtations. And, by the way, on the other hand: one way can pass under multiple bridges with

[OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. By using height you don't have to break the way under the bridge up, on the other hand maxheight is specific to the road under

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height (restriction) and physical height/clearance (information sign). See my note on the discussion on the wiki key:height - if height is not to be used for this, than another tag is needed -

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Peter Dörrie
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height (restriction) and physical height/clearance (information sign). See my note on the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread marcus.wolschon
I am tagging both as maxheight. It is a restriction that you are not capable or allowed to pass a given node or a given way in any direction with a vehicle of greater height. That is also how I am evaluating maxheight and maxwidth in Traveling Salesman. Marcus On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:31:49

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Craig Wallace
On 27/07/2009 09:57, John Smith wrote: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. By using height you don't have to break the way under the bridge up, on the other

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. height on the bridge instead of the way under it would IMHO indicate the height

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. the Key:maxheight says it clearly http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxheight

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to break up the way and mark it as maxheight I'm just trying to make other people's

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to break up the way and mark it as

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
And the bridge in question is a rail bridge with over head wires, the height bit is clearance under the bridge. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but be careful not to break things up. Maxheight could be valid for the way on the bridge itself as well. Yup, the height is someone's attempt to do maxheight, not mapping the clearance or height of the bridge... In

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread sergio sevillano
Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, sergio sevillanosergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: there is no need to break anything height and maxheight can also be just nodes. i think the wiki definition is quite clear for all. so for me: - maxheight on the bridge

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:44:44 +0200, Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
I do not agree that they bouth should be treated as maxheight=* If my car with load that is 3m high, and maxheight=3m, but physical clearance is much higher,than you would pass at the speed limit, but if both maxheight and physical clearance is 3m, than I would need to slow down to almost crawl

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. The maxheight tag looks like it was aimed as a restriction tag, the way below the bridge is restricted if you are above or close to X metres you will

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Liz schrieb: To return to the bridge the following attributes of the bridge and the road underneath it all need to be considered Height of bridge Height above sea level of the bridge Max height of the arch of the bridge above the roadway

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Apollinaris Schoellascho...@gmail.com wrote:  one bridge can cross multiple roads with different maxheight limtations. This is a good argument in favour of tagging the ways that pass under a bridge instead of the bridge. But I think it should be weighed against

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. Agreed. And it's clear that both

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: Having a node shared between a bridge and the way underneath may solve one problem but introduces another (having to make a relation to indicate this physical route is not present). Agreed. maxheight needs to be applied to