On 17 February 2010 17:19, Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote:
The point being if someone wanted to search for the nearest effluent
dump, it would be much easier to search for a single tag, not multiple
tags.
Which relies on the assumption of no pre-processing. You can
potentially
On 15 February 2010 18:27, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
And now Perth has gone under water:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.901lon=115.835zoom=10layers=B000FTF
That was cached, I forced the server to regenerate the tile and it no
longer shows that much blue.
This finally made it to slashdot.org today:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/14/0857256/Australian-Judge-Rules-Facts-Cannot-Be-Copyrighted?from=rss
Complete with some discussions on what this may mean for various data sets:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/44.html
On 14 February 2010 20:32, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.smartcompany.com.au/intellectual-property/20100212-sensis-loses-case-to-protect-copyright-of-yellow-pages-and-white-pages.html
From the webpage:
Dolphin says the key for database companies is to add some sort
On 13 February 2010 18:30, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
I've checked and corrected 6 servos in my area (Campbelltown, NSW). Only
1811 to go.
There is probably quite a few BP locations and coles express locations
still needing to be fixed as well that there is no hi-res imagery
On 14 February 2010 10:58, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote:
Ought one fix ABS administrative boundaries to bring them into line with
roads (or nearmap, or surveys, or whatever else seems to actually be
accurate)?
The more I've had to deal with this the more I think it's a bad idea
to
On 14 February 2010 11:26, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote:
You're quite right, there's no reason to change the ABS data if it is,
by definition, correct. I guess I'd just been thinking that it was
probably supposed to match the roads.
Which makes it difficult to fix roads if the
On 14 February 2010 15:37, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
The ABS boundaries were defined many years ago, usually by some form of
surveying data based on existing roads, watercourses etc.. But in a lot of
cases, the roads which were originally used have been moved, in some cases
by
On 12 February 2010 17:57, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I have no idea. But there are problems with the coastline in that area
(and further south) at certain zoom levels. I've been looking for the
source of the problems for a while, without luck and without changing
anything. You
I'm forwarding this email to Mikel, who is/was involved with the
Haitian mapping, perhaps he can give us pointers on priority etc
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On 11 February 2010 21:19, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
My non-lawyerly understanding of the IceTV case was that most of the argument
was around whether the they used a substantial portion of the database (e.g.
structure) not the facts themselves.
I'll have to re-read the IceTV
On 10 February 2010 18:02, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to know if the .osm files with suburb data are available
somewhere. I have found the postcode files useful but they're missing
some of the boundaries where a two suburbs have the same postcode and
of course there aren't
On 10 February 2010 19:35, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone have suggestions how to recreate the relations which have been
deleted? I can manually put back most of the information but the
Are you sure the relation has been deleted?
I've noticed a lot of suburb relations damaged by
On 10 February 2010 20:28, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
This happens with lower concentrations of ethanol, one reason why fuel
companies love it and motorists should refuse it.
In theory small amounts of water mixed like that shouldn't be a
problem in most current engines,we're talking
As I was fixing up railway lines around the Cronulla area of Sydney I
noticed a lot of the ways need improving now that Nearmap imagery is
available.
It seems many of these ways were added prior to even Yahoo imagery
being available and haven't been touched up since.
Same goes for that matter
On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV
format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
All 1817 points were added to the database, although there were 9
pairs of points that
Looks like ACT, NSW, NT Qld are duplicate free now, most of the
dupes left in Australia seem to have congregated in Melbourne.
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On 11 February 2010 05:33, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Haven't got far through the judgement so far but this sounds quite clear.
7.
The Copyright Act does not protect facts, ideas or information contained in a
work, to ensure a balance is struck between the interests of authors and those
in
On 11 February 2010 04:34, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
I must have missed it, but was permission granted by the content owners,
or is someone hoping to use OSM in a legal testcase?
There is now 2 precedents on the issue, lists of facts now won't be
considered copyright in
On 11 February 2010 10:13, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't used Merkaartor but I presume it presents relations in a way
similar to JOSM which is what I've been using. The specific example
I'm looking at is Hamersley, see
On 11 February 2010 11:44, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not going to start on the USA duplicate removal, there is some definite
time effort required there :)
If you look at the countries with the most duplicates these tend to
have had imports.
On 11 February 2010 12:29, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote:
This is exactly right John, one of the pitfalls of mass importation of data
(however given the state of the US TIGER data it is hardly surprising).
Alternatively you can spin that as a positive because now you have the
On 11 February 2010 14:19, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Doesnt all content have an identifiable author, or at least copyright
holder? Unless its computer generated that is.
The copyright holder isn't always the author, although in the case of
Channel 9/Telstra they should have
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To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org
Here is an update from the License Working Group.
We feel we've reached a
On 8 February 2010 20:32, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
The topic was someone using OSM maps on his GPS during a visit to
Canberra, and having difficulty finding a service station that would
take his wallet full of fuel discount vouchers.
Well Coles Express locations exist now in
On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV
format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
Ta, didn't see that page, I emailed Woolworths Petrol earlier for the
information
W here we go again, anyone else want to take a stab at what to tag things :)
Eftpos Avail,Workshop Avail,Car Wash Avail,Disabled Toilets Avail,ATM
Avail,BBQ Gas Avail,Truckstop Facility Avail,Starcash Avail,
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On 9 February 2010 05:09, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm definitely seeing an OSM map, with detail I've added recently.
The powered by Google image is probably confusing people, but it looks
like mapnik produced tiles to me.
But service station sites are a different matter. Those I
The list of caltex locations, among what you'd expect also includes
some Ampol, BP and Mobil locations, with a couple of Gas 'n Go, IFS
and Bogas thrown in.
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/caltex.osm.bz2
Judging by a couple of locations I checked against Nearmap imagery
they seem to be
SteveC just did a webcast on a new map rendering Matt has come up with
to show duplicate nodes:
http://www.opengeodata.org/2010/02/08/screencast-on-how-to-remove-duplicate-node-in-openstreetmap/
What he didn't bother to put in the post was the web address:
On 9 February 2010 08:40, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I e-mailed them yesterday, asking if/how we could add more fuel types,
like e10.
Just click on the location a couple of times and there is a list box
where you can add fuel types.
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On 9 February 2010 10:17, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but there's ethanol and e85. No e10,
and no way I can see to add it.
I was guessing ethanol = e10
I've already added octane_91 to the servos in my area.
I'm not sure that adding information there
On 9 February 2010 10:22, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote:
The underlying map in OSM Fuel is definitely Google.
Compare http://www.osmfuel.org/?lat=-36.73lon=144.29 with the same area in
The static image seems to be gMaps, but the dynamic map seems to be OSM...
On 9 February 2010 10:21, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
just done a big pile in western nsw
now running into someone else doing the same so i've quit
i'm not sure how fast the dupes site is going to be updated
If it's feeding from the main OSM database server it will probably be real time.
A duplicated node I fixed earlier is no longer showing...
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On 9 February 2010 10:56, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I take ethanol as meaning e100 (like what's available in Brazil).
It doesn't explicitly state one way or the other on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fuel
Also it's against the laws of physics to get e100, you need
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
Hi John,
you are right. I was missing good docu by that time. data is imported
On 9 February 2010 12:03, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote:
What if theyve put an easter-egg into that 'database of fact'? Suddenly
they can prove you took their entire dataset.
Or they can just refer to this publically accessable email discussion.
That only proves you may have
On 9 February 2010 13:25, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
As a term for automotive fuel, e100 means that there's no
petroleum/gasoline whatsoever in the mix:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures
Similarly, I take biodiesel to mean b100, as is sold at at least one
On 8 February 2010 13:16, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Thats fine if youre looking for a place that accepts woolworths cards,
but what about if you have a caltex or shell card and want to search for
someone who'll take that.
If you want a POI search, you simply extract the various
On 8 February 2010 14:09, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Is this the start of a new cliche? 'Tagging for the navigator'
Seems that was what was being suggested, or more to the point, don't
tag incorrectly for the navigator, eg using the name field incorrectly
to indicate discounts
On 6 February 2010 17:59, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
So that's another scheme again - the one our way works just like Woolies and
Coles but is tied in with United.
I don't think you can express this information easily to both humans
and computers with just one tag, will need a
I've just made a bulk upload of Coles Express locations from their website:
http://www.colesexpress.com.au/store-locator/gps-poi.aspx
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3803645
Most likely there will be duplicates just as there were when the BP
locations were imported, unfortunately
On 6 February 2010 20:56, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
In the set I just checked none were more than 500m from where I last saw the
servo
so it could be a better set than BP overall
Most of the ones I've seen are about the same, so their geocoding
service is much better, at a guess due to
I've been sent a couple of PDFs for locations of independent servos,
but no lat/lon information, does anyone know of a suitable geocoding
service that can be used?
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On 7 February 2010 08:21, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Point is, you don't care which of several schemes a servo belongs to.
What you care about is will they accept my docket?
Suggestion:
fuel:woolworths_discount=yes
fuel:coles_discount=yes
Except none of them allow you to use
On 7 February 2010 15:33, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
They have 4c coles voucher plus 4c instore, however last time I
travelled past they didnt pass on the ethanol rebate. You can spot
those who pass on the ethanol rebate, as the ethanol fuel is cheaper
than regular unleaded.
On 5 February 2010 23:42, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Maybe we should have some sort of fuel:discount tag?
fuel:shopper_docket=yes ?
discount is too ambiguous, discount for what?
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On 6 February 2010 09:31, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Most Woolies customers no longer receive a docket entitling them to fuel
discount. It's all done by scanning the Everyday Rewards plastic card.
Those that don't want to give their privacy away still get a bar code
on a docket.
On 6 February 2010 09:47, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Alternatively, what about operator=caltex;woolworths ? Can you have
multiple values for operator tag?
Yes, but it's a pain to try and parse them afterwards.
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I just noticed this diary post:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ainsworth/diary/9483
He took photos of a church, and then fed it into some 3D software and
then used the output to plot a church in OSM.
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Shelley knows exactly where she is on the road by using a differential
GPS. Unlike a standard GPS system, hers corrects for interference in
the atmosphere, showing the car's position on the Earth with an
accuracy of about 2 centimeters. Shelley measures her speed and
acceleration with wheel-speed
On 6 February 2010 15:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
mine's an IGA discount
from Ritchies
and I have seen others around the area where the local supermarket has an
agreement with the fuel outlet
so add in other
Most of the IGA discounts I've seen require you to produce a fuel
receipt and
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From: susie.salisb...@ga.gov.au [mailto:susie.salisb...@ga.gov.au]
Sent:
On 3 February 2010 19:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Often newbies spend a lot of time putting in something and need a quick pick-
me-up help so they don't get totally discouraged when all their hard work has
been wasted.
Maybe there should be a tutorial mode added to potlatch, with some
On 3 February 2010 19:46, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on
this front in OSM?
I've seen some toll booths marked, not sure how any of the routing
engines deals with it however.
In Brisbane gMaps keeps sending me via
On 3 February 2010 21:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient
petrol station - a lot were Unnamed. Not helpful when you have a wallet
full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers.
It might be useful to clarify
On 4 February 2010 07:58, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it
shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?)
Should be what ever the registered business name or company name is.
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On 4 February 2010 13:01, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name
(for Australia) because I never found it to make sense
I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right?
I've been setting the Operator to the fuel they supply, eg
On 4 February 2010 13:44, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
I've only checked Citylink here, but I notice that neither Mapnik nor
Osmarender renders tollroads any differently. How strange.
Why is it strange that no one put in a request to have them render differently?
On 4 February 2010 16:01, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
+1. e.g. for Woolworths Caltex petrol, is it Woolworths or Caltex? For
those with a discount voucher they're probably more interested in
looking for Woolworths stations than Caltex stations...
I usually set name=Woolworths
On 3 February 2010 16:45, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I just tread very carefully in JOSM, tentatively deleting ways to see if
there's another underneath, and restoring needed things again with ctrl-Z.
You don't need to delete something to see if there is a way
underneath, just select
I've forwarded a copy of your email to the main talk list, some people
have scripts to be able to easily revert changes but I don't have
anything set up at present.
On 2 February 2010 15:45, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone suggest how to deal with this kind of vandalism:
Most
On 30 January 2010 19:36, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
Before uploading them to OSM, I'd probably test them out on Google
Maps first as a sanity check.
If you make an OSM file, you can open this in JOSM and check it
against OSM data, and even Nearmap overlays etc...
On 29 January 2010 18:11, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
They aren't up to Feb just yet online, you'd need to subscribe anyway. I
bought the dead tree version yesterday.
Pity, it's good to post links for those outside Australia in diary entries etc.
On 30 January 2010 11:56, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Im worried about a technique like that. You plan to remove all existing
stops (whether survey'd or nearmapped or whatever) to be replaced by a
mass data set. Just ask around how well that worked for the BP import
and how
On 28 January 2010 18:49, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Then the continent must be tipping
Maybe the moon got hit by a chunk of brown dwarf :)
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From: Shaun Kolomeitz shaun.kolome...@derm.qld.gov.au
Date: 28 January 2010 14:23
Subject: [Aust-NZ] Brisbane OSGeo meeting
To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org
Hello all,
We will be holding our first Brisbane Open Source Geospatial Users
Meeting on Tuesday week,
Nokia have a prototype which they added radar, like the police used to
use till they upgraded to lidar, I wonder how useful something like
this would be in combination with other sensors and GPS etc to produce
more accurate location information...
This came up on the talk list:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047660.html
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On 29 January 2010 08:29, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
When writing this email, I had the import of the Vic Police stations
in mind. I think this might be similar to what was done in that case.
The vic police stations were released under a cc-by license so we
didn't need to contact
On 29 January 2010 08:36, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
I think it's a fantastic initiative by the government to release it
data. Kinda gives me the impression that they're starting to 'get it',
and this information should be free.
I don't know if they are finally getting it, or
On 29 January 2010 14:18, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
as the first two lines of the mkgmap polygons style file.
There's no improvement in the rendering of the ocean.
Read the thread I posted before, you have to tweak other things I think.
On 29 January 2010 17:41, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
OSM is briefly mentioned as a map source in the GPS Car Computer article
in the Feb 2010 issue of Silicon Chip. There's even a screen shot! (Yick -
lots of mini-roundabouts - should fix them sometime)
Do you have a URL?
Thank
Was perth last week
Probably the same problem effecting the garmin maps?
On 1/27/10, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
reported from the west coast on irc
Fremantle is now underwater
so the coast is badly broken
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The opposite is happening near Brisbane, seems land has been reclaimed
from the sea:
http://osm.org/go/ueGzkZIk-
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How is the garmin util converting from osm2garmin format?
There is shape files which are error checkef before mapnik renders tiles...
On 1/27/10, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
John Kitchener wrote:
Here's how it renders on an Oregon 300
2010/1/22 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
For US$400 you get a full HD resolution camera, which can geotag your
photos with both GPS coordinates and compass direction.
Ummm $400 isn't that much money, when I was into photography you
didn't get much for $400, a small/cheap lens maybe...
Most if not all services should now be restored.
Also in the mean time Franc was kind enough to upload suburb
boundaries, so these can be reviewed and/or fixed by using the osm
files:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/suburbs/
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2010/1/23 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au:
There's no indication of how to map asymmetrical roads, Liz's suggestion
of using 1/2 or 3/2 amuses me.
The most common example I can think of is over taking sections on say
the Pacific or New England or Bruce or highways where it isn't
dual carriage
2010/1/23 Kevin Pye kevin@gmail.com:
2010/1/23 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au:
The second photo shows cars parked on both sides of the street facing
away from the camera, which suggests it's a one-way street. It's a poor
example.
You can't necessarily assume that a street is one way based
2010/1/22 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
Mark Pulley wrote:
I'm currently doing some edits in Armidale (NSW) following my trip
there for Christmas. Many of the streets and surrounding roads are
labelled lanes=1. Some of these are clearly wrong, as they have a
painted line in the middle
2010/1/22 Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com:
The correct coastline data seems to be in use again. Tiles that still
have blue background are updated when resubmitted for rendering. Would
be nice to be able to determine what date the rendered coastline comes
from.
Download the coastline shape file
It looks like Nearmap have started processing imagery from beyond just
the Sydney area down towards Wollongong...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#Current_coverage
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2010/1/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
It looks like Nearmap have started processing imagery from beyond just
the Sydney area down towards Wollongong...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#Current_coverage
More imagery seems to be being processed round Geelong area
2010/1/21 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
A service road can lead to a boat ramp. But the boat ramp itself is
not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp
starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading.
Assuming you don't go head over tail on the
2010/1/15 cam_...@fastmail.fm:
Alcohol prohibited: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/384683
it doesn't highlight St Leonard's Park. - Perhaps this is a bug I
should file? (and where would I file it to?)
I don't think child relations do anything/much... this isn't so much a
bug as
2010/1/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
So this would seem to infer that motorbike riders don't have to obey
Local Traffic Only signs. Strange (and/or incorrect).
Motorbike riders are exempt from a number of things cars aren't,
they're allowed to be in transit lanes without any other
2010/1/16 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com:
Technological Disasters. It did get activated for the Australian
bushfires but the USGS were the only ones to act on it and there's no
published imagery:
2010/1/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
Last time I checked, a bushfire doesnt change the geographical location
of *everything*, like a 7.0 earthquake does. Im sure there were OSM
updates in Australia after the fires of damaged infrastructure, but we
Damaged infrasturcture is only one
2010/1/16 morb@beagle.com.au:
Hi everyone,
As I work to bring CommonMap to fruition I'm heartened that I'm not the only
one
that wants to see it happen.
If you're handy to Brisbane tonight then come join the CommonMap association
as
part of the Samford Mapping Party
2010/1/16 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
The main issue that access=destination (i.e. applying to all traffic
modes) is wrong - it isn't on the ground, and (quite probably...)
isn't even in the legal books.
I haven't seen any signs that distinguish between traffic, they just
state Local
2010/1/16 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote:
We're tagging what the sign states, what it means will vary between
legal jurisdictions...
__
but first we have to find out what it really means, and what are the
restrictions
I'm
2010/1/16 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
It's all a matter of tradeoffs and what is most important to you - being
able to use it for whatever you want, or getting the most data in OSM.
Well said. Funny thing is,
I wonder if the police would bother pursuing the matter if people were
caught for the same offence on OSM...
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Subject: [OSM-talk] Florist apologises: A florist says changing
competitors' details on
2010/1/16 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
Interesting. But the catch is, as you say, only what is edited from
existing PD data. And if you have different mappers using different
If that's too much of a limitation then more drastic action would be
needed, nothing will please everyone all the
2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com:
forgotten the context, but there was some chat a few weeks back on
standard date formats, date ranges. etc.
this may be of interest:
http://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/examples.html
I think you are referring to the thread on opening hours, but this
2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#2010_Earthquake_Response
http://blog.ushahidi.com/index.php/2010/01/13/haiti-earthquake/
I'm not trying to detract from how badly off people are in Haiti...
but nothing like this occurred when
2010/1/14 cam_...@fastmail.fm:
As always, suggestions are welcome :)
I never did get round to doing the one I was going to do before I had
to leave, so well done...
The only comment is on the prohibited relation, is it really needed to
do the inner sections of St Leonards Park, when you have
2010/1/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
2010/1/14 cam_...@fastmail.fm:
As always, suggestions are welcome :)
I never did get round to doing the one I was going to do before I had
to leave, so well done...
The only comment is on the prohibited relation, is it really needed to
do
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