Steve Bennett wrote:
Interesting. What strikes me about the street names thing is that in
general, there's actually no way to prove it, other than by the
person's own admission. Whereas with copyright breach in general, you
can show a similarity between two expressions of an idea. But
One that amuses me often, is between Canberra and Batemans Bay. Theres
a small rural street which is shown as 'Black Sally Lane' on both
google, whereis and my Navman GPS, however OSM shows the name printed on
the street sign, which is 'Black Sallee Lane'.
David
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 23:41
2010/1/6 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au:
You're right, Steve, there is no way to prove it. What we need to be sure of
is that our own actions are ethical, and in the spirit of OSM. I do use a
street directory, along with some online sources, to verify street names, or
to check spelling. I
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
You're right, Steve, there is no way to prove it. What we need to be sure
of is that our own actions are ethical, and in the spirit of OSM. I *do*use a
street directory, along with some online sources, to verify street
David Murn wrote:
One that amuses me often, is between Canberra and Batemans Bay. Theres
a small rural street which is shown as 'Black Sally Lane' on both
google, whereis and my Navman GPS, however OSM shows the name printed on
the street sign, which is 'Black Sallee Lane'.
Both are accepted
John Henderson wrote:
I go to the local tourist information place and start asking for names.
They give me a photocopy of a street directory which shows all the
names. But this photocopy has a copyright notice.
Can I enter names from that page into OSM for the already-mapped ways?
I
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
So if all you need is street names,use whatever published source you wish.
Just make sure that you only get street names. And whatever you do, don't
advertise it, or discuss it in forums. There are always some smart-arse
2010/1/5 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au:
The issue of copying names from a street directory is very similar. The
publishers of the directory hold copyright over the graphic layout of the
map, but they cannot hold copyright over the street names themselves. Those
That's assuming what they
2010/1/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Interesting. What strikes me about the street names thing is that in
general, there's actually no way to prove it, other than by the person's own
admission. Whereas with copyright breach in general, you can show a
similarity between two expressions
There are street names I have seen on Google that are wrong and I guess
there are others if you went looking. (Don't mention the streets that just
aren't there.)
Regards,
Michael
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2010/1/5 Steve Bennett
John Smith wrote:
2010/1/5 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au:
The issue of copying names from a street directory is very similar. The
publishers of the directory hold copyright over the graphic layout of the
map, but they cannot hold copyright over the street names themselves. Those
That's
2010/1/6 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
I missed that Telstra case. Do you have a reference to a good summary?
http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/articles_pdf/A01n09.pdf
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John Smith wrote
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote:
Thanks Steve,
Ok, I linked to the document directly via a Google search, and then didn't
see the copyright at the bottom when I looked for that link to post.
Might ring BMCC to see what data they have to share.
Regards,
Michael
Write
Thanks All,
The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some
mapping done at the same time.
Regards,
Michael
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote:
Thanks Steve,
Ok, I linked to the document
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote:
Thanks All,
The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some
mapping done at the same time.
Regards,
Michael
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at
Liz wrote:
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and
turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow.
I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo,
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
Liz wrote:
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and
turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow.
I've
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and
turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow.
Just don't ask about UN clinics...
John Smith wrote:
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
Liz wrote:
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and
turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
John Smith wrote:
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
Liz wrote:
We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving
habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and
turning at the ends, doing
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of
text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing.
I don't even put my name on them.
Heh, I should do that. I haven't been questioned yet, but have
I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up
a couple of scenarios and get opinions.
Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And
street signs are missing.
I go to the local tourist information place and start asking for names.
They give
2010/1/4 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up
a couple of scenarios and get opinions.
Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And
street signs are missing.
I go to the local tourist information
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up
a couple of scenarios and get opinions.
Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And
street signs are missing.
I go to
While on this topic.
Blue Mountains City Council have posted this document. It's not the best but
a start, can it be copied as it lacks an copyright information that I can
find?
Select the first result, couldn't find the direct link.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.comwrote:
While on this topic.
Blue Mountains City Council have posted this document. It's not the best
but a start, can it be copied as it lacks an copyright information that I
can find?
Select the first result, couldn't
Steve Bennett wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com
mailto:snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up
a couple of scenarios and get opinions.
Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
One route I'm thinking about is the Bicentennial National Trail.
http://www.nationaltrail.com.au/
Many signs have disappeared. But some of is mapped in google (where
it's given as the road name):
2010/1/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
That page has a notice at the bottom: Blue Mountains City Council © 2009.
So, no, you can't copy from it. You can use it as a source of information.
There's no clear distinction between the two.
Even without a copyright notice, unless something is
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