[talk-au] Osmaware stuff

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
Until today I was basically downloading the daily changeset and using osmaware script to parse it, however from now on what will happen is it will update every 15 minutes or so from minutely change files. On the map you can now display todays changes plus yesterdays. The only problem I'm

Re: [talk-au] Osmaware stuff

2009-08-12 Thread b . schulz . 10
Nice work displaying the route distance :). Would it be easy to allow the repositioning of the start/end route points without clearing them? Being able to do this would make route debuging much easier as you could zero in on breaks quicker. - Original Message - From: John Smith

[talk-au] Re-Importing Australian + ext terr data.

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Would it be easy to allow the repositioning of the start/end route points without clearing them? Being able to do this would make route debuging much easier as you could zero in on breaks quicker. Possibly, but at the

Re: [talk-au] Garmin routable (was Re: Cycleway/footway/path)

2009-08-12 Thread Matt White
Ben Kelley wrote: OT, but get a different version of the routable maps. I used to have a version that thought footpaths were great for driving on. Try the ones from here http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php My current wish list is declaring a street index so you can search for

Re: [talk-au] Rendering wish list

2009-08-12 Thread Matt White
John Smith wrote: Are there any other things people would like to be rendered differently from the standard OSM tiles? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes I'd be keen for the 4WD bit to appear after the name for all roads tagged as 4wd only. Not sure if you've

Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...

2009-08-12 Thread Liz
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties, and belong on the old Telstra database from which they were robbed,

Re: [talk-au] Rendering wish list

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I'd be keen for the 4WD bit to appear after the name for all roads tagged as 4wd only. Not sure if you've done this - for some reason everything is timing out for me No I haven't but I'll add it to the list.

Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...

2009-08-12 Thread Darrin Smith
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:41:10 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties,

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-12 Thread Matt White
We had a discussion on local chapters a while ago, and I think there was a bit of to and fro with Etienne in the UK about setting up an LC here (can't remember if that was on or off list). At that stage, the OSMF weren't sure which way was up, but that looks to be changing. I'd be keen to do

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I'd be keen to do something local chapter-wise, just not actually sure what. I've never set up a non-profit association type entity before, and no doubt the various applicable laws will provide us with endless joy, but the

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-12 Thread Matt White
Liz wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: Hey, out of interest, how many people on this list are OSMF members? me I probably should have kicked it off and said I am a member as well ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by openstreetbug, put it on your server and then you can have annotations on the map. thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution ___

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution It might be a solution, but it's sub-optimal as you have enough to sort out working out where to go, without looking up where not to go. :/

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution It might be a solution, but it's sub-optimal as you have enough to sort out working out where to go, without looking up where not to go.

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-12 Thread Matt White
John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: But it's a lot of organisation/hassle etc so whoever is taking charge will need a fair bit of time. However, there's nothing Apart from the exact wording on the rules submitted to the DFT or other

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I was more referring to the ongoing requirements - taxation/finance reporting (BAS statements are applicable to non-profits, but not sure about IAS statements), plus the yearly ones (GST, FBT amongst others - perhaps the ASIC

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: well looking at google or whereis still isn't a crime and marking that they are wrong is not copying their data in any logical sense especially if you directly made an observation that it doesn't exist, the question is still how to

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: well looking at google or whereis still isn't a crime and marking that they are wrong is not copying their data in any logical sense especially if you directly made an observation that it doesn't exist, the question is still how to represent this,

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: that's what i'm thinking if you had to explain in a court of law m'lud i didn't copy it because it didn't exist Well there is a precedent for that, don't know how much weight it would hold since it was in a US court: In Nester's

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Liz
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 From: Kate maps2w...@gmail.com To: openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM,

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: great opportunity here there's a nice giant strawberry just south of Tocumwal http://www.thebigstrawberry.com.au/ Big banana at coffs, big prawn somewhere else along the pacific highway, big oyster also along the pacific highway. The big

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
Free entry to go inside it too, so you can get a clear reading from the top of it :) Actually it's not far from Nambour, the guys coming up from Brisbane will most likely be going past it. I was talking about the big pineapple, sorry, I'll see if I can detour to do the big shell on the way

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
I was talking about the big pineapple, sorry, I'll see if I can detour to do the big shell on the way down. The big pineapple in Gympie was torn down last year because of the road was being upgraded to dual carriage way and the council was too cheap to move it to some other site.

[talk-au] Fw: Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org, Nick Black n...@blacksworld.net, Michael Kugelmann

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Jason Stirk
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com big prawn somewhere else along the pacific highway At Ballina, and it's been announced in the last week or so that it will be demolished some time soon, as it's in really bad nick. Not sure when though.

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-12 Thread BlueMM
John Smith delta_foxt...@... writes: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, b.schulz...@... b.schulz...@... wrote: Otherwise 4wd_only=yes could mean any road which is signposted as 4wd_only, regardless of legality. If it's signed on a public road sign it most likely is legally enforced since you would

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, BlueMMbluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the vote. What about

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Hope
Hopetoun, Vic and WA, both towns. I got into trouble with this once, because I'd only ever heard of the Vic one, and one of our clients was talking about the WA one, so I arranged for a meeting in the wrong state. Not quite as bad as the French firm that tried sending a package to me in Austria,

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why Is also in at least Iceland. there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If you want a complete list, see if you can find a postcode list, sorted by name.  There are a lot of duplicates, though a lot of them are not even suburbs, just locations. Auspost has a CSV file on their website, but this it doesn't

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah, that's correct. Sorry, I didn't mean to use it as a reference in that way, but a quick run through of the list in name order will give you an idea of how many duplicates there are, and how big the problem is likely to be. It's interesting to have a quick look in postcode order as well -

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
I received non-legal opinions from the legal-talk list and the best solution given was to use a barrier=* and no-turning restrictions to highlight the fact that nothing is there. We could also tag things as an area, landuse=* from sat imagery to indicate the area has been mapped, rather than

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
Digging into the czech page on signs I found this: restriction=only_straight_on It puts a nice big arrow icon on the node tagged with it. Then all one would nee is to add a note about no road here, not sure if it should be more specific or not.