Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:37 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Should the changeset have a tag to indicate this? license=CC0 perhaps? Possibly. I have to be careful about disclaiming my copyright vs. giving assurances on the license of such data. I don't know enough of the legal side to

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 7 September 2011 15:53, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2011 15:49, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: I write I just have something against this relation, because it is arbitrary and confusing and you write So your entire argument is that we should

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 September 2011 16:31, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: The Princes Highway is an historical curiosity, and internal name management name assigned by the NSW roads authority, and the name of a bunch of roads between Sydney and Adelaide. It isn't a route any longer. It's still a

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 September 2011 15:49, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: I write I just have something against this relation, because it is arbitrary and confusing and you write So your entire argument is that we should delete the whole route because it isn't contiguous? Most routes are arbitrary

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 September 2011 15:19, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: Nah, that is all good to me. I've got nothing against relations. Nothing against routes. Nothing against multiple relations and multiple routes. In fact, I'd have nothing against a parent relation that linked the sections of

Re: [talk-au] Charleville, Qld survey suggestions sought

2011-09-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 September 2011 13:09, Christopher Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: Hi, I'm in Charleville, Qld for a couple of days with an iPhone, a garmin oregon GPS and, from tomorrow, a vehicle. The place is pretty much unsurveyed, but the DCDB has been used to add streets so the road geometry is

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Liz
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:31:38 +1000 Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: The Princes Highway is an historical curiosity, and internal name management name assigned by the NSW roads authority, and the name of a bunch of roads between Sydney and Adelaide. It isn't a route any longer. I'm

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Ian Sergeant
I wrote: This is why route numbers were invented. So routes can be followed across multiple road names. The route numbers are on the ground, or otherwise discoverable. On Sep 6, 2011 3:02 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if we're disagreeing or not, but: assuming

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread John Henderson
On 08/09/11 07:58, Ian Sergeant wrote: The issue I have is with using a route relation with a road name to link split parts of a named road, and including roads that don't have a name or alternate name in common with the route, and can't clearly be identified as part of that route by survey.

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Ian Sergeant
I wrote: I'm sure people say they are going to drive the Princes Highway from Sydney to Melbourne, but you can never pin it down to actual set of roads. They just mean they are driving down the coast, as opposed to the Hume. It is a useful turn of phrase, but it is a mapping anachronism. On

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: An actual connected route along roads on the ground in this instance either doesn't exist or cannot be determined from any verifiable source. OSM requires verifiability, for reasons I consider apparent.  A route

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-07 Thread Mark Pulley
Quoting Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com: I'm sure we are interested in the history of the development of the road network, but I'm not sure our database is the place for the information right now. For those interested, a partial history of the development of Highway 1 is at Ozroads: