Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
[]
Also, I think I have found one place where liam123 actually did
something good (but I reverted it nonetheless). There is a footway that
goes right across Cumberland drive here in Landon:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28277588
Which liam123 had fixed
On 19/09/2009 07:30, Frederik Ramm wrote:
I have reverted the remaining edits so that, to my knowledge as per now,
not as single object should be in the state last modified by liam123.
Thank you very much for doing this.
David
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I'm not entirely convinced Dave read my posting, because it wasn't a metric
(but no matter).
When I tidy up after my children, I just put the bits back in the box, I
don't try to undo every single move they made in reverse order. And it's a
lot easier if the pieces from different jigsaw puzzles
On 18/09/09 10:33, David Earl wrote:
Tom - this is persistent continuous abuse. I really think we have to
block his IP address until such time as we can work out how to deal with
the edits. They are just so pervasive and destructive. We've discussed
suspending his account and the chances of
2009/9/18 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com:
***PLEASE*** PULL THE PLUG ON HIM!
Is it a good idea to remove the Live Change Feature in Potlatch for everyone.
I'm thinking this is the cause for a lot of our problems.
I can't see why anyone would want it any more anyway. Its a dangerous
Tom Hughes wrote:
I have repeatedly stated that I am not prepared to block people on my
own. Get the DWG to order him blocked and I will happily do so.
Not to Tom personally, but:
Can the DWG then finally speak up to acknowledge publicly that they
*are* working on this case?
And about
On 18/09/2009 11:17, Lennard wrote:
And about removal/deactivation/hiding of Potlatch's live editing mode:
yes, please. We've had a case in Belgium as well, recently, of someone
dicking about in live mode, apparently unaware of the destructive nature
of their actions.
+1
But I don't think
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote:
2009/9/18 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com:
***PLEASE*** PULL THE PLUG ON HIM!
Is it a good idea to remove the Live Change Feature in Potlatch for everyone.
I'm thinking this is the cause for a lot of our problems.
Peter Childs wrote:
Is it a good idea to remove the Live Change Feature in Potlatch
for everyone.
I'm thinking this is the cause for a lot of our problems.
I can't see why anyone would want it any more anyway. Its a
dangerous feature without a purpose.
*shrugs* You've already made
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
On 18/09/2009 10:53, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 18/09/09 10:33, David Earl wrote:
Tom - this is persistent continuous abuse. I really think we have to
block his IP address until such time as we can work out how to deal
On 18/09/09 11:26, David Earl wrote:
On 18/09/2009 10:53, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 18/09/09 10:33, David Earl wrote:
***PLEASE*** PULL THE PLUG ON HIM!
I have repeatedly stated that I am not prepared to block people on my
own. Get the DWG to order him blocked and I will happily do so.
How?
We seem unable to contact Liam123 via normal channels. This means we
have to think of other ways of contacting members who continually put
mistakes into the dataset.
Is it not possible to put a flag on his account, so when he logs in he
is told what he has been doing and asked to explain himself?
Lennard wrote:
They would be easier to fix if people didn't start reverting his changes
by hand the moment he does them, which is what currently prevents a
clean revert of his latest changesets.
That could be difficult - it would mean saying to people in potentially
a wide area please
On 18/09/09 12:13, Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Brian Pranglebpran...@googlemail.com
wrote:
I may be being a simpleton but can't we just disable write privileges for
this user to the database? Then he can continue editing but it all has no
effect
If somebody writes
On 18/09/2009 12:13, Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Brian Prangle bpran...@googlemail.com
wrote:
I may be being a simpleton but can't we just disable write privileges for
this user to the database? Then he can continue editing but it all has no
effect
If somebody
David Earl wrote:
***PLEASE*** PULL THE PLUG ON HIM!
Does anyone know if there are any discussions ongoing about what
restrictions might be put in place on newly registered user who e.g.
haven't uploaded any tracks and suddenly start editing in a wide area,
to avoid whack-a-mole problems?
2009/9/18 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk:
I'm sorry if I seem frustrated by this, but it is because I am. We've
all spent thousands of hours each on this, and this guy is undermining
everything we've all done. Even though it's not my area (though close),
it completely destroys any
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote:
I agree. I think it would be even more useful to be able to quarantine
particular users changesets for manual review so the could be let
through in the end - though there's all the problems of conflicting
changes
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com
wrote:
I agree. I think it would be even more useful to be able to quarantine
particular users changesets for manual review so
Peter Miller wrote:
'data protection', 'data monitoring' and 'data moderation'
all seem to be good.
'data protection' might be confused with 'Data Protection Act', ie,
legal data issues
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On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:33, Godfrey Bartlett wrote:
'data protection', 'data monitoring' and 'data moderation'
all seem to be good.
'data protection' might be confused with 'Data Protection Act', ie,
legal data issues
This discussion reminds me of Douglas Adams' Restaurant at the End of
Hi,
Dave Stubbs wrote:
The problem needs fixing with better tools for sorting out mess, not
more weird and wonderful metrics for getting in people's way.
+1
Whenever a vandal pops up, we have tons of people coming up with tons of
cool measures to shoot oneself in the foot, and if they had
Two changesets:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510163 reverted cleanly
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510485 failed to revert
410 gone - I suspect there was a node/way changed in the second
changeset that was also in the first.
The automatic reversion is
On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:23, David Earl wrote:
Two changesets:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510163 reverted cleanly
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510485 failed to revert
410 gone - I suspect there was a node/way changed in the second
changeset that was also
I've been thinking about this for a while.
Is he doing anything (legally) wrong?
Is he always connecting from the same IP address?
Can the login script be amended to point suspect users to a You've been
dicking about with the map - we're going to let you continue in the hope
that at some point
On 17/09/2009 14:09, Peter Miller wrote:
Who would join a 'talk-counter_vandalism' list or support its creation?
Yes. But can we call it something less judgemental: not all incorrect
changes are vandalism, and people seeing their account names on such a
list would be most depressing.
On 17/09/2009 14:30, Peter Miller wrote:
Possibly a different name would be clearer
talk-Counter_vandalism_tools, but that is getting a bit long. Any other
ideas or feedback?
talk-reversion-tools?
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
On 17/09/2009 14:38, David Earl wrote:
On 17/09/2009 14:35, David Earl wrote:
Another one at 13:56, also failed to revert
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2511524
changeset upload failed: 412
2009/9/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com:
On 17 Sep 2009, at 14:30, David Earl wrote:
On 17/09/2009 14:30, Peter Miller wrote:
Possibly a different name would be clearer
talk-Counter_vandalism_tools, but that is getting a bit long. Any
other ideas or feedback?
I'd join too -- but I doubt I would be of all that much help.
JR
2009/9/17 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
Peter Miller wrote:
The other question though:-
1) Would you support the existence of such a list?
2) Would you join it?
Yes, I'd join.
Hi,
We seem unable to contact Liam123 via normal channels. This means we
have to think of other ways of contacting members who continually put
mistakes into the dataset.
Is it not possible to put a flag on his account, so when he logs in he
is told what he has been doing and asked to explain
David,
David Earl wrote:
... which also won't revert now its closed (changeset upload failed:
409 Conflict)
I also hear you talk about automatic reversion which gets a failure
rate of about half. Are you sure that you know what you are doing?
Because if not then there's a risk that you make
Not a big contributor to the lists, but...
1) Yes I'd support it
2) Yes I'd join (but unlikely to contribute much)
Jeni
http://blog.jennystuff.com
Peter Miller wrote:
The other question though:-
1) Would you support the existence of such a list?
2) Would you join it?
If no one supports it
On 15/09/2009 00:59, Lennard wrote:
David Earl wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't use the revert script to rever this. Though the
edits are all his, the same way appears twice in the same changeset
and this seems to upset Frederick's script. I don't know whether it is
a bug or not.
He
I notice that liam123's been editing in SE London again tonight. Seems
to consist of lots of oneway=yes changed to oneway=no, among others.
Cheers,
Andy
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On 14/09/2009 22:30, Someoneelse wrote:
I notice that liam123's been editing in SE London again tonight. Seems
to consist of lots of oneway=yes changed to oneway=no, among others.
Unfortunately, I can't use the revert script to rever this. Though the
edits are all his, the same way appears
David Earl wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't use the revert script to rever this. Though the
edits are all his, the same way appears twice in the same changeset and
this seems to upset Frederick's script. I don't know whether it is a bug
or not.
He touched the same way twice, some 5 seconds
Liam123 is back, however some of his edits moving bus stops might be
reasonable.
This might be ok (moving bus stop to side of road)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/469765466
Here he has added goods=yes to a railway line. Is this correct?
On 03/09/2009 14:53, Peter Miller wrote:
Here he has added goods=yes to a railway line. Is this correct?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4356960/history
No: I just did a search for a journey on the national rail website and
it gives me trains between the two stations either side, with
On 03/09/2009 14:53, Peter Miller wrote:
This looks like messing with a street and yahoo photography shows it
as going through a house. This appears to be straight forward vandalism
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5215590
Yes, looking at the Yahoo images, I agree completely.
I'm
On 03/09/2009 18:18, David Earl wrote:
I'm going to revert these two changesets now.
2359068 was OK, but the later one, 2359116 already has a conflict.
David
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On 3 Sep 2009, at 23:15, Mark Williams wrote:
David Earl wrote:
On 03/09/2009 14:53, Peter Miller wrote:
This looks like messing with a street and yahoo photography shows
it as going through a house. This appears to be straight forward
vandalism
2009/8/8 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Jeffrey Martindogs...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe we want different policies for different areas and different kinds of
data.
For example once all the roads are mapped we freeze the roads, but we allow
free changing
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Jeffrey Martindogs...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe we want different policies for different areas and different kinds of
data.
For example once all the roads are mapped we freeze the roads, but we allow
free changing of street names until they reach a freeze point.
This time he's invented a fictitious railway line into Great Yarmouth
This needs reverting:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2063848
added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=GB_revert_request_log
David
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The only thing that ever worked with graffiti on the railway was painting it
over in all the obvious places. I'm afraid we just have to find a way to
undo or redo his works. In our context, obvious is anything big, and
anything new.
Richard
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Tom Hughes wrote:
Well it will have to go to the WG for that. They will doubtless start by
sending him a direct email.
Is it just me who thinks that having a wiki which is open to everybody
and doesn't have any controls over who can do what is utterly ludicrous?
Yes, I'm a trusting soul, but
Hi,
Nick Barnes wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that having a wiki which is open to everybody
and doesn't have any controls over who can do what is utterly ludicrous?
No, millions of Wikipedia contributors think it is a good thing (and
they even allow edits from people without an account) ;-)
Frederik Ramm wrote:
No, millions of Wikipedia contributors think it is a good thing (and
they even allow edits from people without an account) ;-)
Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable
and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Nick Barnesn...@thebarnesfamily.eu wrote:
To my mind, nobody ought to be able to edit live map data unless:
No, no, no - completely wrong approach. Think using Dettol
continuously to keep your house clean - most people now realise that
healthy immune systems come
I'd like to hear from the DWG on how they handle the edit wars in Cyprus.
Must be some kind of precedent?
Chris
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Hi,
Nick Barnes wrote:
Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable
and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm
thinking about mapping for SatNav devices here).
I don't think we should either, because this leads to more control and
less
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Christopher
Osbornechris.gai...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to hear from the DWG on how they handle the edit wars in Cyprus.
Must be some kind of precedent?
Handled, past tense, I believe. I've heard that it's now resolved.
Anyway, that was a dispute, not
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
Nick Barnes wrote:
Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable
and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm
thinking about mapping for SatNav devices here).
I
these data may contain errors, you can use it at your own risk, but
you can't sue us.
This whole wikipedia comparison seems bogus to me. Kids use wikipedia to do
their homework, people don't trust their lives to it like they do with maps
every day of the week. I've used an OS map many times
Maybe stopping people moving ways (or deleting or moving individual points
in ways by more than a few metres) for the first months. I don't think I've
ever done the former (except in error), and it took me a while to realise
that Yahoo needed moving (using the spacebar), rather than the data, with
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Oh yeah, and let's also get their addresses and hang them! I am amazed
at how much hostility this Liam123 is able to provoke.
I'm not. I think it's similar to the way people react to virus writers
after their computer is infected. I've heard plenty of people suggest
that
It would appear the Liam123 has been acting illegally under section 3 of
the Misuse of Computers Act 1990. This should be reported to the Police.
Even if it's not worth a prosecution the Police will know how best to
curtail Liam123's activities. Just because OSM-ers' contributions are
free doesn't
2009/8/7 Vic Morgan vic.mor...@ntlworld.com:
It would appear the Liam123 has been acting illegally under section 3 of
the Misuse of Computers Act 1990. This should be reported to the Police.
Even if it's not worth a prosecution the Police will know how best to
curtail Liam123's activities.
Maybe we want different policies for different areas and different kinds of
data.
For example once all the roads are mapped we freeze the roads, but we allow
free changing of street names until they reach a freeze point.
Here in Korea I just want data and the more the better. In downtown London
liam123 has been active again this morning - the first changeset for a
while:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2043351
I have no idea whether this represents valid data or rubbish. It seems
to be related to the high speed rail line through Kent.
David
David Earl wrote:
David Earl wrote:
liam123 has been active again this morning - the first changeset for a
while:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2043351
I have no idea whether this represents valid data or rubbish. It seems
to be related to the high speed rail line through
On 5 Aug 2009, at 12:30, David Earl wrote:
David Earl wrote:
David Earl wrote:
liam123 has been active again this morning - the first changeset
for a
while:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2043351
I have no idea whether this represents valid data or rubbish. It
seems
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Peter Millerpeter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote:
Can I suggest that you (David) immediately add this to the GB Revert
Request log (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/
GB_revert_request_log) , send Liam123 asking him to stop and forward
the revert request to Andy
On 5 Aug 2009, at 14:28, Andy Allan wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Peter Millerpeter.mil...@itoworld.com
wrote:
Can I suggest that you (David) immediately add this to the GB Revert
Request log (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/
GB_revert_request_log) , send Liam123 asking him
On 05/08/09 14:47, Ciarán Mooney wrote:
Is it possible to publish the IP addresses he is making the edits
from?
No.
Tom
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Peter Miller wrote:
On 19 Jul 2009, at 23:02, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Peter Miller wrote:
We really need some better tools for reverting this sort of
nonsense and a way of patrolling the edits of new contributors .
This isn't a discussion for talk-gb really, but possibly it is a
Hi all,
I had the same problem with reverting some of liam123's edits as Peter
described. Although the reversion looked ok, the upload in Potlatch went
ok, when viewed the data had not changed.
The liam123 edits that didn't seem to respond to Potlatch reverts were
major changes in the positioning
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