Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

A default to English is perhaps a little tone deaf. As Andy wisely suggests, seeking a consensus among (ideally local) mappers is the way forward here. — Chris > On 31 Oct 2020, at 18:19, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > I like it. > > + "in the event of dispute... the default language is

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

This looks good to me! Thanks! — Chris > On 31 Oct 2020, at 11:03, Ben Proctor wrote: > > Thanks Chris (and everyone else) for your very helpful contributions. > > I've tried to synthesise the discussion on this thread and would like to > propose the following for the Wales section of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

I'm open to alternatives for dispute regulation. I fear that Wales *is* a location where feelings run high. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_exonyms including the Welsh-English argument in the Talk. On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:52 Andy Townsend, wrote: > On 31/10/2020 18:19, Jez

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On 31/10/2020 18:19, Jez Nicholson wrote: I like it. + "in the event of dispute... the default language is English."? .although I'm not sure how to define dispute'. On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 11:07 Ben Proctor, > wrote: (snipped) "In the event of a dispute

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

I like it. + "in the event of dispute... the default language is English."? .although I'm not sure how to define dispute'. On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 11:07 Ben Proctor, wrote: > Thanks Chris (and everyone else) for your very helpful contributions. > > I've tried to synthesise the discussion on

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On 31/10/2020 11:03, Ben Proctor wrote: Example: name: Caernarfon name:cy Caernarfon That's not a particularly good example, as Caernarfon is the Welsh name. The English name is Caernarvon. But in this case, nobody, not even the English, uses the English name any more. The English

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Thanks Chris (and everyone else) for your very helpful contributions. I've tried to synthesise the discussion on this thread and would like to propose the following for the Wales section of the Multilingual Tagging page on the OSM Wiki. This would be a slight change from the current entry

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Hi Ben, Personally, I don’t see the point of name: Swansea name:en Swansea name:cy Abertawe It's stating the obvious that if name:cy is not the same as name: for a place in Wales, the name attribute is the English, and visa versa. It’s a little close to “tagging for the renderer” for my

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 12:10 +0100, Ben Proctor wrote: > Thanks to everyone who has chipped in on this thread so far. > > I'd like to draw out what I see as the key threads of the discussion > so far: > The use of :cy and :en name tags should be encouraged. It allows more > flexibility in

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Thanks to everyone who has chipped in on this thread so far. I'd like to draw out what I see as the key threads of the discussion so far: The use of :cy and :en name tags should be encouraged. It allows more flexibility in rendering and adds clarity. So far this hasn't been a very controversial

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Hi Gruff, hi Ben, On 16/10/2020 14:08, Gruff Owen wrote: The ability to include an :en or :cy tag name field is really helpful for this but it's unfortunate that ultimately we have to choose a single name tag for each place name - giving the impression that one language has precedence over

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On Fri, 2020-10-16 at 14:28 +0100, David Woolley wrote: > On 16/10/2020 14:08, Gruff Owen wrote: > > With that in mind, and admittedly polemicising the debate a little. > > If > > we accept the premise that the native language of Wales is Welsh > > and > > that OSM is a community mapping project

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 15:32, Edward Bainton wrote: > > I was going to suggest a cy-preferring tileserver, too. Possibly something > the Welsh govt would be willing to fund? Could it even be hosted at > cy.openstreetmap.org? It already exists, at: https://openstreetmap.cymru/ -- Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

I was going to suggest a cy-preferring tileserver, too. Possibly something the Welsh govt would be willing to fund? Could it even be hosted at cy.openstreetmap.org? As a practical question, how does the on-the-ground criterion work in Welsh cases where street signs are bilingual? I ask out of

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On 16/10/2020 14:08, Gruff Owen wrote: With that in mind, and admittedly polemicising the debate a little. If we accept the premise that the native language of Wales is Welsh and that OSM is a community mapping project where we have an opportunity to respect native communities in a way that

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Hi Ben, Have been lurking in the background of GB-Talk for a little while and just learning the ropes with OSM at the moment. But I have done a bit of reading around the GB-Talk archives on this subject because it's really hard to know what to do with English / Welsh names in some cases. I come

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

ad b) yes, but we had edit wars about all kinds of ridiculousness, and this is possible already and happened in some places 12 paź 2020, 15:21 od jez.nichol...@gmail.com: > Just being Devil's Advocatea) how do you decide on-the-ground what the > name by which the place is widely known in

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

In case of name where there is a language specific tag, repeating name tag in language specific tag is useful, welcome and a good idea. I even run into a case where it was needed to render map as expected(Polish labels, with fallback to English ones) - I am unable to comment on

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Just being Devil's Advocatea) how do you decide on-the-ground what the name by which the place is widely known in Wales is? i.e. is it on signage, etc.? b) could it start an edit war if someone with strong views decided to use one particular language for every 'name' attribute? c) are there

[Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

Hi everyone I'd like to open up the currently unresolved question of multilingual tagging in Wales. In the Mapio Cymru project we've been exploring Welsh language mapping https://openstreetmap.cymru/ and we've done some thinking about how Welsh and English naming works in parts of Wales. We plan