Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Tagwatch suggests that surface=paved, unpaved, gravel, cobblestone, ground and grass are the most common values (those with over 10k uses). cheers Richard (This was in response to my assertion that surface was

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Al Girling
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:42:46PM BST, Richard Mann wrote: *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are in an urban

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Al Girling acgirl...@gcguk.demon.co.uk wrote:  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't is frankly beyond me. Because you're reading too much into the name. All the highway tags were initially made up to end in '...way'. So forget you're ideas

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely irritating! Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't is frankly beyond me. It kind of does, the designation tag has been mentioned on

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Richard Mann wrote: *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** They should receive different _sets_ of tags. But they are both instances of highway=footway if they happen to be signposted.

[Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Richard Mann
Folks, Having some time on my hands at the moment, I'm trying to get my head round some of the inconsistencies/duplications/gaps in the usage of the highway key. Having looked at the recent widescale adoption of highway=path in Germany it is clearly fulfilling a need. I'm coming to the view that

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/04/2009 12:42, Richard Mann wrote: *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** Given we already have a separate tag for surface, I don't see the distinction. In highway engineering

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Gregory Williams
-Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 3 April 2009 13:02 To: Richard Mann Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths Well

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, David Earl wrote: In highway engineering terms in the UK a footway is always alongside a road, and we don't tend to mark those separately anyway. This is a slightly separate issue, but not marking them is a bit of a problem in some cases because we end up with things like

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Richard Mann
April 2009 13:02 To: Richard Mann Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths Well, you know my view on this. A cycleway is a cycleway if it is signed as a cycleway, not because it appears to be constructed to a standard

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Ed Loach
I'm beginning personally to think that highway=footway/cycleway/bridleway were all a mistake and that highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better starting point - there would certainly be fewer debates where things

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Ed Loach wrote: Indeed you can have designated public footpaths that pass through urban areas snip Like this one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.23497mlon=-0.59355zoom=17layers=B000FTF -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Ed Loach wrote: I'm beginning personally to think that highway=footway/cycleway/bridleway were all a mistake and that highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better starting point I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/04/2009 14:11, Steve Hill wrote: However, mistake or not, we have what we have and making fundamental changes doesn't seem especially likely (I have in the past made suggestions regarding the fundamental data structure and have been met with nothing but sarcastic replies and put-downs

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, David Earl wrote: FWIW, I agree largely with the specific points on your wiki page, but I don't think it will happen because of the effort involved. The wiki page wasn't really supposed to be a this is how it needs to be solution - the hope was to get people talking about

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway=path for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Fleming
On 03/04/09 13:43, Gregory Williams wrote: -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 3 April 2009 13:02 To: Richard Mann Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using highway