Re: [Talk-GB] the brilliant and constantly improving Wikipedia of maps

2013-04-30 Thread Kevin Peat
On 29 Apr 2013 22:01, Rovastar rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: Great however the OSM referenced has been shoehorned in there (not complaining though), as the cartographers mentioned finding the new 2000ft mountain just seemed to use Ordinance Surveynotably the wrong height appears on OSM and

Re: [Talk-GB] the brilliant and constantly improving Wikipedia of maps

2013-04-30 Thread Tom Chance
Nice find, I've contacted them to ask if they would like to add them to OSM, or publish the measurements somewhere under the ODBL. Regards, Tom On 30 April 2013 08:05, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 29 Apr 2013 22:01, Rovastar rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: Great however the OSM

[Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
One of my little hopes (which I'm very very slowly attacking) is to have OSM have all the walls and fences and suchlike to the same standard as OS (them being very useful to walkers and suchlike). I noticed that lots of fields, for example in

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Tom Chance
On 30 April 2013 09:38, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: Am I the only one that has been drawing walls and not fields? It's nice to have fields as individual logical units, but they're defined by the walls, so it strikes me the wall should be the defining characteristic. Is this a

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
Well I'm definitely in favour of mapping the boundary ways: hedges, fences, walls. I do not see any general value in mapping fields one by one, unless there are particular cultural reasons (for instance the Cheshire Cheese in Hope, Derbyshire, has maps showing all the historical field names on

[Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This adding of refs on roads is getting ridiculous. I just was geotagging some photos and I noticed this: http://osm.org/go/eu1a7D4X. A number of unclassified residential roads have been tagged in Cheshire (can't remember which one it is because this is on the border) with obviously internal

[Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread Bob Kerr
Hi, I have been spending a lot of time looking at Taginfo and golf courses. I would like to layout the best way to map a golf course based on what I have found.  I was thinking of creating a page HOWTO map a golf course 2013 This is not a proposal for tags, I would link to Taginfo pages of

Re: [Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
Have you seen Richard Weait's page on this subject : http://weait.com/node/21. And fewer of those named ways to make the hole names look nice :-) Jerry On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi, I have been spending a lot of time looking at

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 11:15 +0100, Ed Loach wrote: I can't post to list at moment (stupid ISP) so am sending offlist reply. I use landuse=farmland for the land (usually in areas greater than a single field) and then add barrier=hedge or barrier=fence as appropriate (I've not generally

Re: [Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread Shaun McDonald
There is also an ITO Map for Golf courses: http://www.itoworld.com/map/47 Shaun On 30 Apr 2013, at 12:07, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: Have you seen Richard Weait's page on this subject : http://weait.com/node/21. And fewer of those named ways to make the hole names look nice :-)

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Hedges are also rendered at higher zoom levels. Mapping hedges alongside roads had inspired me to try mapping roads as areas, not too sure if its been a success. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/04/2013 12:09 Henry Gomersall wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 11:15 +0100, Ed Loach

Re: [Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread Bob Kerr
Thanks, I have seen Richards page before but I am a lot further on, I have found out that there are something like 50 tags ranging from golf=tee_area, amenity=shelter, landuse=grass, golf=ball_washer. I noticed that there are even some folk that are attempting to put in pars and indexes. I

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 10:24 +0100, Tom Chance wrote: On 30 April 2013 09:38, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: Am I the only one that has been drawing walls and not fields? It's nice to have fields as individual logical units, but they're defined by the

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread John Aldridge
On 30/04/2013 09:38, Henry Gomersall wrote: I noticed that lots of fields, for example in http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.92332lon=-1.7091zoom=15layers=M are shown as closed loops of landuse=field. Clearly walls/fences and enclosed fields are somewhat equivalent, but subtly different in

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Henry Gomersall wrote: That's interesting. So it seems that Mapnik _is_ rendering fences. Who's the arbiter of what is rendered in the main map? There's a trac subject for it, but as I understand it requests for what gets rendered on the main map are a bit backed up right now because the

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Dave F.
On 30/04/2013 12:09, Henry Gomersall wrote: That's interesting. So it seems that Mapnik _is_ rendering fences. AFAIK, mapnik has rendered linear barrier for quite a while. The problem it did have, which appears to have been sorted now, was landuse barrier tags within the same polygon.

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 13:03 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: barrier=wall is very common in the areas that interest me (the lakes), and very useful info to walkers too. For info, barrier=wall is currently also rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.04915lon=-1.68855zoom=16layers=M

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Tom Chance
On 30 April 2013 12:32, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: Does meadow mean grazing land? Do we define high fell land as meadow as well when it's used for grazing sheep? Perhaps a landuse=grazing should be available. If you wanted to define field types, I'd suggest the following tags.

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 13:35 +0100, Tom Chance wrote: On 30 April 2013 12:32, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: Does meadow mean grazing land? Do we define high fell land as meadow as well when it's used for grazing sheep? Perhaps a

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 13:48 +0100, Henry Gomersall wrote: Yeah, I had a look, but I can't see anything about mountainous pasture land. The issue is land that is very clearly strongly influenced by the presence of animals, but isn't farmland as such. meadow is probably acceptable, but doesn't

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread David Fisher
Hi all, This feels like an appropriate thread to butt into and ask: is there an accepted tag for grassy chalk downland, as found in southern England? Would natural=fell be appropriate here too, or is that for proper mountainous territory? If not, would something like natural=grassland,

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This is quite reasonable, although as I use farmland for all agriculture (but not viticulture or orchards) I had never appreciated that it seems to have become synonymous with arable. I still think landuse=farmland, farmland=arable is a better way of tagging ( a tad friendlier to data consumers).

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This is one of the calcareous grasslands; downland sounds good, although chalk_downland might be more precise. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This feels like an appropriate thread to butt into and ask: is there an accepted tag for grassy

Re: [Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread Andy Allan
On 30 April 2013 12:21, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Is there no precedent for HOWTO documents like there are with other opensource projects? Sure, there's loads of pages on the wiki describing how to map particular types of things - they are called Feature pages. These

Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-04-30 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 30 April 2013 11:39, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: This adding of refs on roads is getting ridiculous. I just was geotagging some photos and I noticed this: http://osm.org/go/eu1a7D4X. A number of unclassified residential roads have been tagged in Cheshire (can't remember which one

Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-04-30 Thread Andy Allan
On 30 April 2013 19:21, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: I would still maintain that it is appropriate to use the ref key for such reference numbers. Internal or not, it's still the primary official reference number for that stretch of road. I would argue that

Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-04-30 Thread Andy Robinson
-Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 April 2013 19:45 To: Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) Cc: talk-gb Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again! I'd appreciate it if we can all accept the most sensible position, and move these

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Hope is slowly becoming reality in the Peak District. We will eventually end up with a better map than the OS 1:25 because it will also be possible to map the types of barrier, the types of stiles, gates, kissing gates etc. The current OSM website rendering seems to be geared towards urban