Re: [Talk-GB] When is a police station not a police station?

2012-12-31 Thread Kevin Peat
On 31 December 2012 09:36, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Many police services are considering providing front counter services out of post offices, cafes, supermarkets! + libraries as they have done in my town. I would suggest that we continue to use amenity=police both for police

[Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Hello, I have been adding to OSM for about 18 months but more active in recent weeks. I have requested the PRoW from Durham County Council, they currently have not released their data but do have it electronically, just not publicly available to download yet. Their response was more postive than

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Steven Horner wrote: I have been adding to OSM for about 18 months but more active in recent weeks. I have requested the PRoW from Durham County Council, they currently have not released their data but do have it electronically, just not publicly available to download yet.

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Barry: I applied on Nov 28th but contacted the PRoW team who I have some contact with, I received the below response on Dec 10th. It's good to read they have made some progress and applied for an exemption. Do you have any thoughts on how you would tag the paths if adding to OSM as I mentioned. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread SomeoneElse
Steven Horner wrote: I have added several footpaths locally but I am often left wondering how to tag these or how to break them into sections. I have followed the guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines but should I tag the footpath with the local

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Please be careful with the ™doesn't actually exist™ as the owner may not have maintained the access point in the hope that people will stop using the path. I've seen this on a number of occasions. I would investigate further and raise it with the PRoWO. I believe there is a deadline coming up

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread SomeoneElse
David Groom wrote: Last time this was discussed on the list I think we favoured prow:ref http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-June/013424.html Yes - well remembered - there are indeed lots more of those: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=prow_ref Cheers, Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Andy raised several good points regarding tagging and references but not sure I would agree about ignoring paths if not existing on the ground. Officially if a path exists on the Definitive map then you have the right to walk it, this is the information I was given by the PRoW team when I became a

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Thanks Andy that's what I was looking for. The job of adding footpaths, bridleways and byways gets more complicated if we want it to be as accurate as possible. The prow=ref obviously isn't needed but good to have if it's known. -- www.stevenhorner.com http://www.stevenhorner.com @stevenhorner

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread SomeoneElse
Dudley Ibbett wrote: Please be careful with the ™doesn't actually exist™ as the owner may not have maintained the access point in the hope that people will stop using the path. I've seen this on a number of occasions. If there's something visible on the ground then I'd definitely map it,

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2012-12-31 Thread Rob Nickerson
Apologies that this was never added to the wiki page, but you are correct we discussed prow:ref and prow_ref. I believe tag info suggests we are converging more on prow_ref=* so will update the wiki to reflect this. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_access_provisions#Public_Rights_of_Way

[Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread SomeoneElse
Steven Horner wrote: A more interesting example of the differences between on the ground and recorded PRoW exists here (just NE of your link): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.91864lon=-0.77876zoom=17layers=M For information I've made the GPS trace public:

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Rob Nickerson
After 2026 a public right of way will only exist if it appears on the Local Authorities Definitive Map. This means that irrespective of what is on the ground, the legal right of way is that shown on the legal Definitive Map. What does this mean for OSM: * As noted designation=public_footpath is

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2012-12-31 Thread Rob Nickerson
Arg! We were converging on prow_ref when I last looked at tag info a few months back. Perhaps I should have checked before changing the wiki!! Seeing that I have now updated the wiki (and it really doesn't make a shred of difference) does anyone have an issue if I change the existing prow:ref s

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
By Public Way Identifiers I presume you mean a public footpath or bridleway sign and the direction they point. I had an angry confrontation once with a farmer who would have would of worn my finger out if I had a bleep machine. I had walked across his field according to the map which was a couple

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Graham Jones
I have had similar issues, but without the abusive farmer in your part of the world? (Weardale). My old OS map said the Weardale w Way went through this field, and there was a waymark at the junction with the road, but once in the (very large!) field, there was no obvious way out - just rusty

Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Footpath segmentation

2012-12-31 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Bill, On 30 December 2012 22:52, Bill Chadwick bill.chadwi...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to hear how council released prow data has / has not been used within OSM to add to or replace existing contributed path data. Hants and Devon have released PROW data but sadly many of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
It's a small world, the incident I described was also in Weardale near Thimbleby Hill South of Stanhope. I didn't use OSM then and checking OSM the path is not marked. A path on the opposite side of the wall where the farmer was stood is marked which is incorrect and will lead to someone else

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2012-12-31 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref= Arg! We were converging on prow_ref when I last looked at tag info a few months

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Graham Jones
Even smaller - I am pretty sure the problem I had was just to the North of Stanhope You are right, there are plenty of opportunities to add footpaths to Weardale. I concentrated on the Weardale Way (which you can see on Lonvia's Hiking Map if you are interested (

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Rob Nickerson
I find that quite often it helps to pull up the historic map layers. Here is a screenshot showing the route of the road as shown on OS 25k 1st series map: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6J5ZA1hu93bOXEtZE1XY01zcEE (I'll try to keep this up online for a few months) The local authority would

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Dudley Ibbett
I tried searching on Weardale but there doesn't appear to be a POI marking the Dale! For those that know this area where would make a good base for walking and also have a Pub with wifi for updating OSM in the evening? Thanks Dudley Sent from my iPad On 31 Dec 2012, at 16:47, Graham Jones

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Graham Jones
Fair point - I'm not really sure what I would tag it as though! Frosterley and Stanhopehttp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=12lat=54.74591lon=-2.0121 are fairly major places with pubs - not sure about wifi though. Graham. On 31 December 2012 18:56, Dudley Ibbett

Re: [Talk-GB] Byway between Muston and Belvoir (was Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM)

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Weardale is a bit hard to define. It is generally thought of as starting at Wolsingham and running up to the edge of the County Boundary at the high point above Killhope before dropping down to Nenthead and Cumbria. The North and South are bounded by the hills above the valley with the exception

[Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2012-12-31 Thread Steven Horner
Personally I would love to see fields (landuse) and the walls/fences that make this up marked on OSM but as per the Wiki this is a complicated area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_use_and_areas_of_natural_land I mapped a small area with landuse and some fences months ago but refrained

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2012-12-31 Thread Graham Jones
I would like to see field boundaries and land uses in OSM, for the same reason as you. I think the main reason that there are not many in there, is that they are very difficult to survey. I have just added them from memory when I have been able to remember enough - it is more realistic to add

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2012-12-31 Thread Kevin Peat
Steven, On 31 Dec 2012 21:19, Steven Horner ste...@stevenhorner.com wrote: I mapped a small area with landuse and some fences months ago but refrained from doing anymore because not many others appear to be doing it. You can see what I did here:

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2012-12-31 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 31 December 2012 16:38, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Not that I'm overly bothered, but since the wiki was only changed a few hours ago, and tag info statistics seem to show a greater usage of prow:ref, I'd have thought standardising on that (and changing the wiki) would have