Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Lester Caine
On 01/08/14 01:36, Will Phillips wrote: I do not believe the stop areas should have been imported at all because they are not verifiable on the ground. Also, I am often unable to find much logic in the groupings other than the stops are relatively close together, so I don't think they are

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium Jo Simoens has done similar things for the public transport import of De Lijn (Flanders) and Tec (Wallonia). He has python scripts to compare OSM data via an external reference of De Lijn to updates in a Postgis DB. He also has scripts to compute the most likely route between bus

Re: [Talk-GB] osm 10th birthday: press

2014-08-01 Thread Dan S
OK the press release is looking good, thanks Grant and hive mind! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NJjR5jZTCFR84apn3UoyzXKUyfkAG3-ceQ9rv1Rg6ZA/edit Now: if anyone has ideas of journalists who might be interested, please could you send me an email? Journalists who have written before about OSM,

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Stuart Reynolds
OK. Clearly I’m going to have to think on this for a bit longer. I think looking at somewhere like Swanley is a good idea, and also at somewhere like Derbyshire if the stops data hasn’t been imported there. In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between stops, and could

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Oliver Jowett
On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between stops, and could use that to update the services on each link. But that is a whole different ball game - we have to make sure our data is good

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Oliver, TNDS data (Traveline National Data Set, for other’s benefit - national set of bus coach timetables) does not currently have the route detail - known in TransXChange as tracks. This is because up to now there have been issues of IPR with OSGR coordinates derived from OS and/or Navteq

[Talk-GB] HantsCC aerial imagery

2014-08-01 Thread Andy Street
Hi all, Does anyone know the current status of the 2013 Hampshire County Council aerial imagery? The URLs previously given on this list[1] were for host faffy.openstreetmap.org which suffered from hardware failure during the server move in July. Other services such as os.openstreetmap.org are

Re: [Talk-GB] HantsCC aerial imagery

2014-08-01 Thread Andy Robinson
Last I had from Grant earlier in the week was that the faffy hardware had been replaced but still needed to be set up. Matt needed and he was AWOL :-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Street [mailto:a...@street.me.uk] Sent: 01 August 2014 15:02 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Oliver Jowett
Right - I was just trying to understand which was the canonical source. One of the things I've been wanting to try (but never have the time) is repair the OSM bus route relations based on the TNDS schedule info - which sounds very much like your track-finding system. But that gets dangerous if

Re: [Talk-GB] HantsCC aerial imagery

2014-08-01 Thread SK53
Really should be AWL :-) as presumably he booked time off for his hols. On 1 August 2014 15:13, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Last I had from Grant earlier in the week was that the faffy hardware had been replaced but still needed to be set up. Matt needed and he was AWOL :-)

Re: [Talk-GB] HantsCC aerial imagery

2014-08-01 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:13:27 +0100 Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Last I had from Grant earlier in the week was that the faffy hardware had been replaced but still needed to be set up. Matt needed and he was AWOL :-) Thanks for the update. I wasn't sure if faffy was being revived or

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Shaun McDonald
I see it as being better to put the right hints into the OSM data and the routing algorithm so that they can be automatically chosen from the TNDS data, rather than having the data in OSM, which is hard to represent some complexities such as a few journeys go via a school, some are part route,

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Stuart Reynolds
The TNDS data isn't going to be based on what is already in OSM, if I've understood you correctly Oliver. Rather, in our bit, we import the GIS, route on it using proprietary (to our contractor) routing engines and manually adjust where appropriate, and then we can export the track coordinates

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Lester Caine
On 01/08/14 16:37, Stuart Reynolds wrote: I haven’t looked at the service tags in any detail, so what I’m about to say may well be there already. But if we want to represent the complexity then we either have to capture the individual departures at a stop or, more likely, try and represent the

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Richard Mann
Just my tuppence, since I used the Naptan stop data to make a printed map. Electronic version here: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/busmap/ My memory is that I corrected a lot of minor positional errors, and the occasional name/bearing. I had to add in a few stops that weren't in Naptan. I

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread Rob Nickerson
Just a few of my thoughts: 1. Bus routes Stuart wrote: I will need to think what to do when a bus turns off halfway along a road that is mapped as one line Here in Coventry we have all the bus routes mapped in OSM (splitting the road as necessary). Check out the render on the Transport layer:

[Talk-GB] Post NaPTAN edits (Cambridge area)

2014-08-01 Thread John Aldridge
I've been reading the NaPTAN import thread, and saw a reference to the Novam viewer, which thinks that I should fix a few stops round here. Before I do that, I'd like to check that I'm going to do it right! Presumably I should simply update the positions of the stops, if necessary, based on

[Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

2014-08-01 Thread jc129
On 01/08/14 18:32, Richard Mann wrote: I created almost all the route relations from scratch (which was painful, but would probably have been easier if Id used the german editor). Anyway, it basically only has to be done once, and needs human review, so Id probably recommend doing them by