Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-08 Thread Andy Robinson
example. Best of luck with the further discussions. Cheers Andy From: John Baker [mailto:rovas...@hotmail.com] Sent: 06 July 2014 00:57 To: Rob Nickerson; Talk-GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM Rob, To be fair when I did post that there had been

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 05/07/14 22:09, Philip Barnes wrote: Proposed highways should certainly not render, for example I drove through Uttoxeter with osmand running and the proposed highways make the map pretty confusing. But we should be able to adjust the way osmand renders the data? As long as it is tagged

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-06 Thread Shaun McDonald
Another option to the GPS data, would be to use Mapillary to provide the latest images of the roads, and automatically a GPS trace is included too. This would mean that the images could be used for us to map alongside a feed of the changes that are known. This also has the advantage in that

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi John, The negativity, or least lack of enthusiasm, is partly due to the complexity of the issue. We'd love to have Highways Agency data as open data but if the data is based upon Ordnance Survey data this becomes a quite tricky. Normally you would have the data holder apply for a Exemption

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread Rob Nickerson
Thanks Phil, I agree that proposed highways should only be added (and tagged as proposed) when they are certain to get built, however, we're not talking about proposed highways here. We are talking about working with the HA to get dates of road completions. Rob p.s. OSMand rendering is a matter

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread John Baker
. Oh well the do-ocracy system of OSM once again descends into no-ocracy. Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:47:39 +0100 From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM Hi John, The negativity, or least lack of enthusiasm

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread Rob Nickerson
On 5 July 2014 19:20, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: snip I'll let them them know about the copyright situation (which I was fully aware from day one was a concern) and there is no real interest from the OSM community for establishing this. John, Please don't tell the Highways

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread Philip Barnes
I am not convinced proposed highways are especially useful in OSM, until construction starts they are just ideas and break the map what we see rule. Proposed highways should certainly not render, for example I drove through Uttoxeter with osmand running and the proposed highways make the map

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread jonathan
I totally agree with Rob, we are tied by the law. The OS need to realise that the data they hold was paid for by us and to restrict its use by Govt is plain wrong. The HA should understand this so they can pressure their Ministers to open things up. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 05/07/2014

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-05 Thread John Baker
week to see what I can sort out. John Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:19:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com To: rovas...@hotmail.com; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org On 5 July 2014 19:20, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: snip

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 July 2014 17:51, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: Once the legal hurdle has been overcome the idea is to setup a process stream so they can let me/us know what is happening (a simple spreadsheet or something) and get it added to OSM quickly. A better approach would be to get them to

[Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread John Baker
Hi, I have been talking to the Highways Agency who are keen to get more recent changes on OSM. They want to get all the new roads added and therefore added to the routers. (the initial contact was http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=25553 if you want a little background) Things

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread Andy Allan
On 3 July 2014 17:51, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: He just said we release the plans and they are public domain. Public Domain (British English, especially Government and in the Courts): Information known by the public, could be under any kind of copyright Public Domain (US

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread Chris Hill
On 03/07/14 17:51, John Baker wrote: The first thing I am worried about is the copyright of the various plans. Some/many seem to be derived from OS maps. A legitimate concern. Now I am no expert on the copyright situation here and dialogue is difficult they know little about OSM really. He

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread John Baker
could just republish it. So I am wanting to know what we can use. (actually the guy I spoke to didn't sound like he was even from the UK... - Australian maybe but that is whole different story) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:05:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread John Baker
that if there plans were based on the OS streetview (rather than the more detailed ones) then we could use them. Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:23:34 +0100 From: o...@raggedred.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM On 03/07/14 17:51, John Baker

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread Dan S
@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM On 03/07/14 17:51, John Baker wrote: The first thing I am worried about is the copyright of the various plans. Some/many seem to be derived from OS maps. A legitimate concern. Now I am no expert

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
that if there plans were based on the OS streetview (rather than the more detailed ones) then we could use them. Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:23:34 +0100 From: o...@raggedred.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM On 03/07/14 17:51, John Baker

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread John Baker
that. Maybe it is just down to how much OSMers enjoy mapping new features in their area. From: sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:30:15 +0100 To: danstowell+...@gmail.com CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM Maybe

Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM

2014-07-03 Thread Dan S
To: danstowell+...@gmail.com CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM Maybe a simple method is to use the OSM notes system, which is what the feature was designed for? Shaun On 3 Jul 2014, at 19:10, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com