Re: [OSM-talk-be] help translate the videos to contribute to OSM

2011-06-23 Thread Jo
Hi Nicolas, Dutch is already available for that video. There is no real difference between written Dutch and Flemish. Are there other videos that don't have Dutch translations yet? Polyglot 2011/6/23 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be Dear I have translated to French the subtitle of

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

2011-06-23 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 23 June 2011 03:55, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: But there's no need to store them on the client, as all users have to log in the preferences can be stored server-side. Atleast I throw away all

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

2011-06-23 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I do not have the (dutch) law at hand, do you?, but I believed this was for tracking cookies and third party cookies only. I suppose that the full implementation of this directive/law requires browser interaction and ultimately intervention by MS/Google/Mozilla and others. Firefox has a number

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Steve Doerr
On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? The attribution was put into the JS

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Ed Loach
The attribution was put into the JS file, but I'm looking into why that doesn't display. I'm no expert, but see http://dev.openlayers.org/docs/files/OpenLayers/Control/Attribution- js.html your map seems to be lacking one in the var map declaration. Ed

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? I just noticed that osm.org is missing

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SomeoneElse wrote: Odd. zoom in to the dizzy heights of 16 (in Denmark WA FWIW) and you get picture coming soon. I picked Denmark because it's somewhere that I've been and added stuff (to OSM, but would also

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Matt Williams
On 23 June 2011 12:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Dupont
The license on archive.org and all metadata is in a standard place, http://www.archive.org/details/SharedMap2 It can be updated at any time, seems that the sources are not stated. mike On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.comwrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: The attribution was put into the JS file, but I'm looking into why that doesn't display. You probably need a DG file instead. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
2011-06-23 John Smith: On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? I just

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:00, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: No it isn't. There's a 'Copyright License' link in the sidebar on the left. Nice and obscure... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:15, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: No, it isn't. It has the attribution right there on the Copyright License link. Unlike every other map site out there where the main attribution is at the bottom right side of the map. The Demo archive.org Tile Hosting map, on

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
2011-06-23 John Smith: On 23 June 2011 21:15, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: No, it isn't. It has the attribution right there on the Copyright License link. Unlike every other map site out there where the main attribution is at the bottom right side of the map. Maybe you just

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Steve Coast wrote: 80n wrote: A: We will definitely stop using OSM as soon as OSM switches to ODbL for it's output. Q: Now when will that be? Personally I hope as soon as possible. I suspect it will be nice to give you 'no' guys some time to reconsider, as some already have.

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:47, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Maybe you just don't know enough maps - there are plenty that list attribution elsewhere. This includes lots of maps for mobile devices (because these happen to have limited screen space), but also maps that use multiple sources

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: The data is rendered from FOSM data. Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. robert. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: The data is rendered from FOSM data. Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I'm told there is at least 500 changesets not from OSM...

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/23/2011 01:51 PM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: So in theory, while in this interim stage, we could stop providing any new data as CC-by-SA and instead offer a frozen CC-by-SA planet dump, with all work since that freeze available as an additional ODbL diff? Legal subtleties are

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/23/2011 01:53 PM, Robert Scott wrote: Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I understand that it is also possible to upload original content to fosm.org, so you're probalby talking about less than 100%. 99.999% or so ;) Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: The data is rendered from FOSM data. Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I find this ironic, if not out right amusing, OSM-F tries to hide any kind of attribution, yet you

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Frederik Ramm wrote: Legal subtleties are best discussed on legal-talk. If you care to make your suggestion there, I'd be willing to point out why it doesn't work ;) Fair enough Frederik, if it's a legal subtlety then I probably don't want to know! :) But I do feel slightly uncomfortable

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 22:20, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: But I do feel slightly uncomfortable that my edits, which I've now agreed should be licensed under ODbL, can currently be used by fosm to build a CC-by-SA competitor project which aims to divide our community. Erm how is

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
But I do feel slightly uncomfortable that my edits, which I've now agreed should be licensed under ODbL, can currently be used by fosm to build a CC-by-SA competitor project which aims to divide our community. The community has always been clear that the continuation of OSM with with a new

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: The rotten thing here is that the ODBL fork has hijacked the domain name and servers, because of mainly because a majority let them do it. That is an odd way of saying the the majority is always right, and if wrong they are

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/23/2011 02:42 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen The rotten thing here is that the ODBL fork has hijacked the domain name and servers, because of mainly because a majority let them do it. That's half as bad. Imagine that happening after country-wide

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: The rotten thing here is that the ODBL fork has hijacked the domain name and servers, because of mainly because a majority let them do it. So I feel it very unfair to call the

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc Hey, cool. This is fun. Can we all join in? cheers Richard Fairhurst, MA (Cantab) -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: The data is rendered from FOSM data. Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I'm told there is at least 500 changesets not

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: The data is rendered from FOSM data. Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I find this ironic, if not out right amusing,

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 01:02, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: Nearly all of the data was generated by OpenStreetMap contributors under the OpenStreetMap flag, so I think the attribution should be mostly to OpenStreetMap. For starters you are confusing OSM contributors with OSM-F who

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
@Eugene Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. My example fits exactly the description of what is called forking: Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29 http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToFork @Graham, My reaction was just against the

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: On 24 June 2011 01:02, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: Nearly all of the data was generated by OpenStreetMap contributors under the OpenStreetMap flag, so I think the attribution should be mostly to OpenStreetMap. For starters you

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 01:27, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: So - what, you're saying we should be doing the whole list-ten-thousand-names-in-the-corner thing? I don't understand - what's your point? My point is, why should other sites be forced into attribution even OSM-F isn't willing

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: @Eugene Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. My example fits exactly the description of what is called forking: Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
2011-06-23 John Smith: Which is derived from OpenStreetMap data. Therefore, the tiles are ultimately derived from OpenStreetMap data, too. Quoting CC BY-SA 2.0: As you said yourself above it's not reasonable to expect a lengthy attribution, especially when dealing with small screens, such as

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 01:41, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: So because people have decided to start a voluntary project, they have to be answerable to absolutely everybody... everywhere... ever? No matter how unreasonable or logically warped they are (no names mentioned)? Everyone gets

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 01:49, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: 2011-06-23 John Smith: Which is derived from OpenStreetMap data. Therefore, the tiles are ultimately derived from OpenStreetMap data, too. Quoting CC BY-SA 2.0: As you said yourself above it's not reasonable to expect a lengthy

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith: On 24 June 2011 01:49, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: 2011-06-23 John Smith: Which is derived from OpenStreetMap data. Therefore, the tiles are ultimately derived from OpenStreetMap data, too. Quoting CC BY-SA 2.0: As you said yourself above it's not reasonable to

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 02:00, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: There are two plausible legal interpretations: - the original author is OpenStreetMap - the original author are a lot of individuals You left off companies that have donated data. No matter which interpretation you choose, your

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 23-06-11 17:41, Robert Scott schreef: Yet people somehow still know what Linux is and where to get it, because it tends to center itself around where all the competent people are. Now think this in BSD perspective. And ask yourself how your

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
2011-06-23 John Smith: I'm not interested in talking about OSMF's legal choices with you. Oh so it's a case of do as I say, not as I do... No, it's a case of don't feed the troll. If someone else still reads this thread and is honestly interested in related legal matters, I suggest to open

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:22 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: @Eugene Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. My example fits exactly the description of what is called forking: Try

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Every open source project I can think of has a fixed set of principals by which the code will be licensed under, and the license defines the sort of people that will join and help out, those requiring you to sign

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 02:36, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Signing your rights away is not necessarily a bad thing. (The FSF asks you to do exactly that when contributing to GNU software projects, for good reasons, though others may rightfully disagree.) 2. Anyway, the OSM CT does

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 20:50 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: If you distribute [...] any Derivative Works or Collective Works, You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and give the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means [...]. -- Tobias Knerr I understand from this that the

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 04:14, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I pointed this out once and the response was that osm.org doesnt need attribution because there is a logo in the top-left corner. I guess the same logic could be applied here, since the name 'OpenStreetMap' is on the fosm.org

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:22 +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: @Eugene Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. My example fits exactly the description of what is called forking: Try

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Kaiser
David Murn schrieb: Now, say half a dozen developers decided to take the GPL codebase, call it FreeLinux and continue development, while encouraging anyone who ever contributed to the project under GPL and wants to continue using that licence, to come over to their project. If they wouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 04:43, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: That said, I'm happy about FOSM, if I ever become a resident of the US and that legal opinion on this matter still holds up, I might pull its data and provide it under PD myself. Unlikely, maps were the first thing to be protected

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Steve Coast
On 6/22/2011 5:16 PM, David Murn wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 16:25 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Well there's one other aspect which is there are chunks of data only available to OpenStreetMap and nobody else. Does the data exclusively available under the ODbL outweigh the data exclusively

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You seem to be the one disrupting things, as far as I'm concerned I attributed to FOSM who in turn attributes their sources. +1 there is a chain of attribution. All the data is available, fosm includes osm data so it

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Uh huh. So I suppose if there were a successful plebiscite in a country wanting to change their form of government from presidential to parliamentary (or vice versa) then that's a rotten thing unless the winning side

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nic Roets wrote: But I also don't know why you three compare the license change to ordinary democratic processes. It's much closer to what's been happening in the Arab States this year. ticks off 'Godwin' on the Hyperbole Bingo card cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Nic, Nic Roets wrote: A modern democratic government would have found a way to defuse the situation long ago. I've actually thought about that for quite a while and came to the conclusion that the problems we're seeing are probably due to OSM being such an unstructured, little-governed

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Milo van der Linden
This discussion makes me sad. My personal motivation in life is : everybody should live in freedom . Derived from this: alternatives are good, monopoly is bad fosm; I embrace the initiative, but you have a lot of marketing to do if you want people to come to FOSM. A website with broken links,

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
2011-06-23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/6/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: If you distribute [...] any Derivative Works or Collective Works, You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and give the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means [...]. I understand

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: On 24 June 2011 04:43, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: That said, I'm happy about FOSM, if I ever become a resident of the US and that legal opinion on this matter still holds up, I might pull its data and provide it under PD myself. Unlikely, maps were the first thing

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Kaiser
Frederik Ramm schrieb: I've actually thought about that for quite a while and came to the conclusion that the problems we're seeing are probably due to OSM being such an unstructured, little-governed project. Hey, I've been saying this for weeks! (Not in here, though...) ;-) I indeed believe

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: Unlikely, maps were the first thing to be protected under copyright Um, no. The first thing to be protected by copyright was an Old Irish psalter. Is and gabais Fergus dóib daur mór ro-boí for lár ind liss assa frénaib, etc. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: More importantly, if fosm is so much more legitimate and important than OpenStreetMap, why are you still over here taking a dump on our list? You're the one making a big song and dance about things. I wouldn't say I'm making a song and dance

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
On 23 June 2011 16:52, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: It's much closer to what's been happening in the Arab States this year: There are at least two big difference between revolutions in the Maghreb and Arab Countries, and the License discussion inside OSM. In this mailing lists it

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] import of data - which account to use?

2011-06-23 Thread john whelan
Current thinking is to use a separate account for bulk imports. Occasionally things go wrong and its easier to roll back under a separate account. Having said that when the import is merged with existing data in JOSM then uploaded things become not so black and white. In general with the new CT

[OSM-talk] Thank you sysadmins!

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Weait
Hi all. OpenStreetMap came through the scheduled maintenance on 23 June in great shape. We should all thank the sysadmin team for making the server move happen. Grant, Andy and Harry were all on site at one or both ends of the move. Andy's friend Mark helped out as well on site. Tom was

Re: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Scheduled Maintenance - 23rd June 2011

2011-06-23 Thread Grant Slater
Quick update. The maintenance has been completed. All services are up and running again. API + www.openstreetmap.org is running a little slower than normal due to reduced capacity, but will return to normal late Friday afternoon (GMT). / Grant On 9 June 2011 21:17, Grant Slater

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you sysadmins!

2011-06-23 Thread Grant Slater
On 24 June 2011 02:45, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: OpenStreetMap came through the scheduled maintenance on 23 June in great shape. Pictures or it didn't happen! http://www.flickr.com/photos/harrywood/5863059620/in/photostream

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you sysadmins!

2011-06-23 Thread Toby Murray
I actually have a bone to pick. I was going to try and do some maintenance on a box here at home while the OSM servers were down in the hopes that my replication setup wouldn't get so far behind. But because they got things done quicker than the advertised 12 hours, I didn't have a chance to get

[OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-23 Thread Robin Paulson
mappers in NZ have recently imported a lot of grass airstrips into OSM. it appears the airstrips only render at zoom 10 on the mapnik render of the map at osm.org, which looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243lon=175.014zoom=10layers=M is there any particular reason for this,

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 07:39, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Well, it has been stated multiple times that it was a lawyer opinion that Francis Davey, who also claims to be a lawyer, gave an opposite opinion. CC-BY-SA didn't apply to our data, and factual databases aren't protected by Which is a

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 08:49, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: On 23 June 2011 16:52, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: It's much closer to what's been happening in the Arab States this year: There are at least two big difference between revolutions in the Maghreb and Arab

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
On 23 June 2011 23:58, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So you quote one line and fail to point out what falsities I'm making. So that is what my message was all about? Thanks for clarifying it to me... ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2011 14:32, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: On 23 June 2011 23:58, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So you quote one line and fail to point out what falsities I'm making. So that is what my message was all about? Thanks for clarifying it to me...

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.netwrote: fosm; I embrace the initiative, but you have a lot of marketing to do if you want people to come to FOSM. A website with broken links, no information about who initiated the fork or any insight about the who, why

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-06-23 Thread H.S.Rai
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: There's some great news, I just received an email from Dr Harish (Scientist at NRSA) that the WMS service for India's landuse data  is now live [1]. I Excellent!!! tried it out in JOSM and works great. How to have it

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-06-23 Thread Arun Ganesh
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM, H.S.Rai h...@raiandrai.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: There's some great news, I just received an email from Dr Harish (Scientist at NRSA) that the WMS service for India's landuse data is now live

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-06-23 Thread H.S.Rai
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: * Login to http://applications.nrsc.gov.in/query.asp OK The site displays: This site is best viewed in Internet Explorer 5.0 and above. Please do not use pop-up blocker to access this web site.. Sad ti read. * Copy

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-06-23 Thread Arun Ganesh
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:31 PM, H.S.Rai h...@raiandrai.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: * Login to http://applications.nrsc.gov.in/query.asp OK The site displays: This site is best viewed in Internet Explorer 5.0 and above. Please

Re: [Talk-it] CreateIMG per Linux, si chiama GARMUX

2011-06-23 Thread Stefano Droghetti
Il 23/06/2011 00:52, Jeawrong ha scritto: Ho scaricato il file dell'Italia da geofabrik e dato in pasto a Garmux 1.3, ma (come per le precedenti versioni) mi crea la cartella IMG-OSM-italy ma al suo interno non trovo nulla. Non posso effettuare la prova con mkgmap estraendo il file dall'archivio

Re: [Talk-it] CreateIMG per Linux, si chiama GARMUX

2011-06-23 Thread Stefano Salvador
Direi a questo punto che si tratta di un problema di RAM. A me capita la stessa cosa con mkgmap (e quindi anche con Garmux) per la mappa dell'intera Europa. Sopra a mkgmap c'è solo la VM Java, quindi il bug potrebbe anche essere lì. Ho un PC con 4Gb di RAM ma con Linux a 64 bit (che quindi

[Talk-it] Applicazione che usa OSM

2011-06-23 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
Volevo segnalarvi l'applicazione JSatTrack [1]. E' un applicazione Java per il tracciamento dei satelliti. L'argomento non sarebbe molto inerente ad OSM se non fosse per il fatto che può usare le mappe di OpenStreetMap come layer delle visualizzazioni 3D. A presto! Fabrizio [1]

Re: [Talk-it] CreateIMG per Linux, si chiama GARMUX

2011-06-23 Thread Matteo
Da: emmexx  Solo nei nuvi piu' recenti e' stata introdotta la gestione di piu' mappe sulla sd. Per la famiglia 2xx (e non solo) viene visto solo il file Garmin/gmapsupp.img (vedi [1]) Un trucco (quando non si ha un pc a disposizione) per gestire piu' mappe sulla sd e' quello di usare un palmare o

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Node en shape samenvoegen

2011-06-23 Thread Frank Fesevur
Willem, Dat is inderdaad heel eenvoudig, maar je moet het even weten. Bedankt. Gegroet, Frank Op 22 juni 2011 22:37 heeft Willem Sonke willemso...@planet.nl het volgende geschreven: Mij lijkt een handige manier: node selecteren, kopiëren met Ctrl+C, shape selecteren en tags plakken met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: European urban landuse vector data

2011-06-23 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hoi, Ik heb de shapefiles gedownload en een SLD voor geoserver gemaakt[1]. Als iemand ergens een publieke instantie van Geoserver heeft draaien dan heb je het zo online. Martijn [1] http://www.mvexel.dds.nl/osm/ On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Boeien nederlandse kust

2011-06-23 Thread Erik Oppedijk
From: ZeilDude zeild...@gmail.com Hoe ben je van plan de vele BaZ's en andere wijzigingen door te voeren? De lijst van RWS wordt iedere 2 weken bijgewerkt en per jaar zijn er ongeveer 1000 wijzigingen. Ik heb n.l. ook al een tijdje op e.e.a. zitten broeden (zeilen heeft nu hogere

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Boeien nederlandse kust

2011-06-23 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 23-06-11 17:12, Erik Oppedijk schreef: Mooiste zou een database zijn met al de node-id's van OSM van de vorige import, en dat je vanuit die applicatie kan zien of er changes zijn. Gewoon een losse database, en los op de kaart renderen, en ze

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Boeien nederlandse kust

2011-06-23 Thread ZeilDude
Op 23-06-11 17:12, Erik Oppedijk schreef: Mooiste zou een database zijn met al de node-id's van OSM van de vorige import, en dat je vanuit die applicatie kan zien of er changes zijn. Gewoon een losse database, en los op de kaart renderen, en ze überhaupt niet in OSM willen inladen. Wijzigen

Re: [Talk-de] DE:zone

2011-06-23 Thread Andre Joost
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Zu den Laderampen: Besser wäre wohl railway=disused + disused=stop + passengers=no gewesen. Könnte man ja mal drüber reden, was du jetzt draus gemacht hast ist auf jeden Fall kontraproduktiv. industrielle Bahnen (Laderampen) haben jedenfalls mit public

Re: [Talk-de] DE:zone

2011-06-23 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Donnerstag 23 Juni 2011 08:01:00 schrieb Andre Joost: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: industrielle Bahnen (Laderampen) haben jedenfalls mit public transport nichts zu tun. Das stimmt schon. railway=disused impliziert eine stillgelegte Eisenbahn, was bei aktiv genutzen Laderampen

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-23 Thread Dennie Reinhold
Hm, ja, in der Tat gab's da auch in meinen (südlichen) Gefilden ein Update. Bei mir erscheint der Refresh jedoch nur bis Stufe 10 (also von unten gezählt). Heute hat's hier auf der Zoomstufe 11 ein paar Kacheln neu gerendert (mit Änderungen die zum Teil gegen 2 Monate alt sind), und wieder

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-23 Thread Simon Poole
Hier scheint es 8, 9 und 11 neu gerendert zu haben. 10 nicht. Simon Am 23.06.2011 09:34, schrieb Dennie Reinhold: Hm, ja, in der Tat gab's da auch in meinen (südlichen) Gefilden ein Update. Bei mir erscheint der Refresh jedoch nur bis Stufe 10 (also von unten gezählt). Heute hat's hier auf

Re: [Talk-de] DE:zone

2011-06-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 23. Juni 2011 08:01 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: industrielle Bahnen (Laderampen) haben jedenfalls mit public transport nichts zu tun. Das stimmt schon. railway=disused impliziert eine stillgelegte Eisenbahn, was bei aktiv genutzen Laderampen

Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Datei in PostgreSQL importieren?

2011-06-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 22. Juni 2011 18:12 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de: hat jemand schnell die nötige Befehlszeile zur Hand, wie man mit osm2pgsql eine via API exportierte OSM-Datei in die SQL-DB bekommt? Alternativ zum API-Download (nicht gern gesehen weil es Mapping-ressourcen belastet)

Re: [Talk-de] Denkmäler in Bayern innerhalb bestimmtem Rechteck in OSM anzeigen?

2011-06-23 Thread Manuel Reimer
Walter Nordmann wrote: Und bei solchen Aussagen java ist Mist... reagiere ich -leider- etwas heftig, da ich von einigen Monaten eine sehr schlimme Diskussion mit jemandem im Forum hatte, der das große Java für absolut unsicher und gefährlich hielt aber die Verwendung von Java-Script (openlayers)

[Talk-de] PGConf.DE (11. November) und OpenRheinRuhr 2011 (12.+13. November)

2011-06-23 Thread Stefan Keller
Zur Info: Fr. 11. November 2011, PGConf.DE 2011 die deutschsprachige PostgreSQL-Konferenz, Rheinisches Industriemuseum, Oberhausen. http://2011.pgconf.de/ 12.-13. November 2011, OpenRheinRuhr - Messe und Kongress rund um das Thema Freie Software, Rheinisches Industriemuseum, Oberhausen (D).

Re: [Talk-de] 1st Proposal: Kickerkneipe (sport=table_soccer)

2011-06-23 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011 schrieb Johann H. Addicks: Am 22.06.2011 23:07, schrieb RalfGesellensetter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Table_soccer Hallo Johann, danke für die fachkundige Nachfrage (dachte ich)... Gibt's da auch ein Tagging für die

[Talk-de] Server überlastet?

2011-06-23 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Hallo, seit gestern 23 Uhr erhalte ich in JOSM keine Kacheln mehr (Timeout), noch erreiche ich die OLM. Geht das nur mir so? Gruß Ralf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Server überlastet?

2011-06-23 Thread Carsten Schwede
Hallo Ralf, es ist Wartung auf der Datenbank: Die OpenStreetMap-Datenbank ist im Moment wegen wichtiger Wartungsarbeiten nicht verfügbar. (von der Startseite www.openstreetmap.org) Am 23.06.2011 14:15, schrieb RalfGesellensetter: seit gestern 23 Uhr erhalte ich in JOSM keine Kacheln mehr

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