[OSM-legal-talk] Answer the questions!

2009-12-22 Per discussione Lulu-Ann
Hi there, the end of voting comes closer and nobody has answered the questions on the license use cases page yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases Thanks for answering before the voting ends. Lulu-Ann ___ legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Answer the questions!

2009-12-22 Per discussione Matt Amos
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Lulu-Ann lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: the end of voting comes closer and nobody has answered the questions on the license use cases page yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases i think i got them all. and the answers mainly came from

[OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
When does anyone plan to use SSL to protect passwords and users on OSM? I noticed the other day about how JOSM puts this in it's MOTD: Your username and password are sent to the server unencrypted. If you do not like this, do not upload. While I'm aware that this is occurring, many others may

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com:    Rule      Filter[highway] = 'motorway' and [length] = 8/Filter      MaxScaleDenominator100/MaxScaleDenominator      MinScaleDenominator100/MinScaleDenominator      ShieldSymbolizer name=ref face_name=DejaVu Sans Bold size=10 fill=#fff

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 22/12/09 14:11, John Smith wrote: When does anyone plan to use SSL to protect passwords and users on OSM? It's on my to do list to create a CSR and give to it to Grant. There are some issues to work out with regard to what we protect though as we don't really want to be using SSL for all

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: It's on my to do list to create a CSR and give to it to Grant. openssl req -nodes -new -keyout private.key -out server.csr There are some issues to work out with regard to what we protect though as we don't really want to be using SSL for all the API

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: 2009/12/23 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords? To: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org 2009/12/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Why

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione Charlie Ferrero
John Smith wrote: 2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: Rule Filter[highway] = 'motorway' and [length] = 8/Filter MaxScaleDenominator100/MaxScaleDenominator MinScaleDenominator100/MinScaleDenominator ShieldSymbolizer name=ref face_name=DejaVu Sans Bold

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: I gave several good reasons, but you chose to rebuff my question with a silly question. No, you didn't give any reasons, you just basically claimed that SSL protects users and passwords, and I said that I think neither is the case. It is a common fallacy to think so.

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: No, you didn't give any reasons, you just basically claimed that SSL protects users and passwords, and I said that I think neither is the case. It is a common fallacy to think so. In the sense that it protects bits going over the internet that is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: The UK government can, at any time, force access to our servers which are located within its jurisdiction, and download your every private traces from these servers. Correct, so when are the servers shipping out of the UK into a jurisdiction that actually respects

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I don't value privacy above all else. Name a jurisdiction you think respects privacy, and then let us evaluate Even if I were to do all this you would simply rebuff me with more time wasting endeavours, as you pointed out you care about everything

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Lars Francke
Raise funds for better hardware that seamlessly handles encryption; or start modifying editors to support OAuth so that they can use SSL for the login part only - that would be a start. Write How-Tos etc. that explain OAuth to users. Just as a side note: OSM currently implements OAuth 1.0

[OSM-talk] how to map flowing water the easy way?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Robin Paulson
i had an idea recently, that it might be possible to map a stream or small river (in an area with poor aerial photo coverage) by using a gps in a waterproof container attached to a flotation device i created a wiki page to collect ideas and criticisms, unfortunately my local streams are all too

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map flowing water the easy way?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: i had an idea recently, that it might be possible to map a stream or small river (in an area with poor aerial photo coverage) by using a gps in a waterproof container attached to a flotation device I had the same thought in about June, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Chris Hill
John Smith wrote: So what exactly is it in your opinion that I could be doing that I'm not already? Cut down the number of trolling posts you make to the mailing lists. Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/22 Charlie Ferrero char...@cferrero.net Ditto showing custom station symbols (e.g. the London Underground symbol, or a non-copyright version of same). It's much harder to spot a tube stop on the OSM london map than it is on the Google map for this reason. this goes even further:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: John Smith wrote: So what exactly is it in your opinion that I could be doing that I'm not already? Cut down the number of trolling posts you make to the mailing lists. What did you add to this discussion exactly, at least I'm following up on a

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/12/22 Charlie Ferrero char...@cferrero.net Ditto showing custom station symbols (e.g. the London Underground symbol, or a non-copyright version of same).  It's much harder to spot a tube stop on the OSM london map than it is on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protectit's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John F. Eldredge
There also does not appear to be any provision on the OSM web site for changing to a new password, which is something that one should do occasionally. At least, if there is a way to do so, I haven't found it. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map flowing water the easy way?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Aun Johnsen
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/23 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: i had an idea recently, that it might be possible to map a stream or small river (in an area with poor aerial photo coverage) by using a gps in a waterproof

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protectit's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Jonathan Bennett
On 22/12/2009 16:27, John F. Eldredge wrote: There also does not appear to be any provision on the OSM web site for changing to a new password See http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/your display name/account where there are two password boxes. Fill them both in to change your password. --

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protectit's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Peter Childs
2009/12/22 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: There also does not appear to be any provision on the OSM web site for changing to a new password, which is something that one should do occasionally.  At least, if there is a way to do so, I haven't found it. Select your name at the top,

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure toprotectit's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione John F. Eldredge
Ah. I had not realized that my name, at the top of the page, was a link, and so hadn't found that page. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message-

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/22 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com As for operator logos, we recently imported a bunch of BP amenity=fuel locations and I was only pondering how it would be nice to make them render an icon similar to their logo. yes (btw: similar is probably not what would be permitted, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: yes (btw: similar is probably not what would be permitted, I guess it must be identical to get permission), but I'm pretty sure as soon as we implement them, we'll get thousands of those (fuel stations, fast-food, supermarkets, drugstores)

[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql error in Oxford/Cotswolds .osm data 19/12/09

2009-12-22 Per discussione Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, I'm having problems loading in a slab of OSM data for the Oxford/Cotswolds area for the UK extract for 19/12/09 downloaded from geofabrik.de. osm2pgsql stops with the error Error allocating ways (no other info is produced) The relevant file is

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql error in Oxford/Cotswolds .osm data 19/12/09

2009-12-22 Per discussione Jon Burgess
On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 17:21 +, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hello everyone, I'm having problems loading in a slab of OSM data for the Oxford/Cotswolds area for the UK extract for 19/12/09 downloaded from geofabrik.de. osm2pgsql stops with the error Error allocating ways (no other info is

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 02:30:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 22/12/09 14:11, John Smith wrote: When does anyone plan to use SSL to protect passwords and users on OSM? It's on my to do list to create a CSR and give to it to Grant. There are some issues to work out with regard to what

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Florian Lohoff wrote: So encrypting all API calls shouldnt be much of a problem - There is not that much data transferred anyway, just a lot of connected with little data in them. I thought the expensive bit was setting up the connection, not transmitting data? I'd like to see SSL

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 02:30:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 22/12/09 14:11, John Smith wrote: When does anyone plan to use SSL to protect passwords and users on OSM? It's on my to do list to create a CSR and give to

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:31:10PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'd like to see SSL encrypted connections for everything, there are a lot of employees spying on their staff, governments on their population and people each other. I am not afraid in loosing my password to someone as its a unique

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Ian Dees
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: Its not about the data you are uploading - but probably the fact that you participate in an open project at all. Um, if you are nervous about others knowing that you participate in this project, then why do you do it? Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:50:59PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: Its not about the data you are uploading - but probably the fact that you participate in an open project at all. Um, if you are nervous about others

[OSM-talk] Google blog post: The meaning of open

2009-12-22 Per discussione Roy Wallace
Check it out, originally an email to Googlers about the meaning of 'open' as it relates to the Internet, Google, and our users, via: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/meaning-of-open.html We can photograph the world's streets so that you can explore the neighborhood around an apartment you

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Florian Lohoff wrote: Um, if you are nervous about others knowing that you participate in this project, then why do you do it? Is there an establishment out there that has an interest in preventing you from doing this? Would Teleatlas, Navteq, Google, AND, Ordnance Survey like their

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Kai Krueger
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, John Smith wrote: ... So adding comments to trac and sending emails on this topic is doing nothing? I think pretty much everything has already been said on this topic, but writing emails and trac tickets is so much easier than writing patches... ;-) And John,

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Matt Amos
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Florian Lohoff wrote: Um, if you are nervous about others knowing that you participate in this project, then why do you do it? Is there an establishment out there that has an interest in preventing you from doing

[OSM-talk] OSM server...

2009-12-22 Per discussione Nicolas Gignac
Dear, I am looking at the best implementation of OSM local server for a public GIS organisation anywhere in the world dealing with street data update everyday? I am from Canada and I have heard about the Canvec project. However, I am looking at success stories which OSM server (

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tuesday 22 Dec 2009 8:46:39 pm John Smith wrote: I don't value privacy above all else. Name a jurisdiction you think respects privacy, and then let us evaluate Even if I were to do all this you would simply rebuff me with more time wasting endeavours, as you pointed out you care about

[OSM-talk-nl] State Of The Map 2010 Girona

2009-12-22 Per discussione bas de Lange
Beste Talk'ers, Ter info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010 From Friday July 9th until Sunday July 11th the fourth State of the Map will be held in Spain. Girona (near Barcelona) is also home to the Jornadas de SIG Libre. So, lock your calendars for July 9th-11th and

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-22 Per discussione Rik de Landloper
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:04 +0100, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Rik de Landloper wrote: access=yes lijkt me trouwens vrij 'default' dus ik vraag me af of dat hier handig is om onderscheid te maken. Toch zou ik graag een onderbouwing willen zien waarom de default access=yes

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-22 Per discussione Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:04:00 +0100 (CET) you wrote: maar access=yes klinkt mij te generiek in de oren. mag ik daar komen? ja. ik map sowieso alleen maar dingen waar ik mag komen. ok, soms gelden er extra regels maar in 99% van mijn map-tochtjes niet. Ik vind dat juist omdat je

[talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
While adding postcodes it looks like some people have incorrectly joined boundaries together, to make a single way for a stream/road etc, this has broken suburb boundaries in various areas. I emailed Franc the other day for a copy of osm files converted from the original shape file, but in the

[talk-au] admin_level=7

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
Doesn't anyone disagree with using admin_level=7 to cover things like metro/regional boundaries, this could include things like the limit of cities, eg metro areas of Sydney/Melbourne, not just the suburbs of Sydney/Melbourne? It could also cover regions like the Sunshine Coast in Qld, the

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione Matt White
There are routable versions of garmin maps on the OSMAustralia site, but you've got to scroll down a bit to find them - try this link http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php It does look like the IMG2GPS setup kit (and site has gone walkabout). I think I've got the setup kit kicking

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione Matt White
Nope, can't find the IMG2GPS setup kit - could be on my machine at work - will look tomorrow. In the mean time, I think SendMap will work - http://www.cgpsmapper.com/download/sendmap20.zip It's written by the same guy that wrote cGPSMapper. I think I might have used it previously on an old

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione Matt White
Sorry I've got the email dribbles Anyway, it looks like the old site is still operational - ish. The direct download link from the old site is still active. Try this link http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mdipol/img2gps/img2gps_281_setup.exe Matt Matt White wrote: Nope, can't find the IMG2GPS

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Ross Scanlon
After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Ross Scanlon
2009/12/22 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. That would assume I have total control over other peoples

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/22 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Draw another way beside it or something but make sure you don't accidently delete them. When making postcode boundaries I'm starting to really agree with you, people using roads especially make a complete mess of things at times and you can't easily

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. I don't get it. If I join another way

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to

[talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Kitchener
An easy routable OSM source is http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php Once you've selected your tile(s) you get emailed a link where to download the file from with a choice of installation possibilities - VERY COOL. The map tiles are far from perfect and update is monthly (I think). John

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione Stephen Hope
Not all the img files you'll find lying around are routable. Some are, some aren't. As Matt said, some of the ones on the OSM Australia are, but not all. There are other sources as well - see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download for a partial list. (Check the routable

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to

Re: [talk-au] Sturt Virtual Mapping Party

2009-12-22 Per discussione edodd
Liz wrote: This am we'll head out along the Mallee, put some more streets in Manangatang and return next week via the Sturt and put some streets in Waikerie. If you're taking your bike, the bike path between Renmark and Paringa is nice and is missing from OSM. I'm still hoping to be

Re: [talk-au] Routable Maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Kitchener
Another OSM routable source of maps with improved track definition is: http://openmtbmap.org/download/ John k ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Sturt Virtual Mapping Party

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Henderson
ed...@billiau.net wrote: No bikes this trip - but we did note the path when last in Renmark Now will it be a cycleway with walkers allowed? It is indeed - or at least that's how I'd tag it. I cycled and walked it 2 TDUs ago (before my OSM days). John

Re: [talk-au] Sturt Virtual Mapping Party

2009-12-22 Per discussione John Henderson
ed...@billiau.net wrote: No bikes this trip - but we did note the path when last in Renmark Now will it be a cycleway with walkers allowed? It is indeed - or at least that's how I'd tag it. I cycled and walked it 2 TDUs ago (before my OSM days). John

Re: [talk-au] Routable Maps

2009-12-22 Per discussione Peter Ross
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:58 PM, John Kitchener johnkitche...@gmail.com wrote: Another OSM routable source of maps with improved track definition is: http://openmtbmap.org/download/ Useful if you're on your bike, not so useful if you're in the car as it'll route you down bike paths.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-22 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by a

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. I suggest asking the authors of JOSM/Potlatch/... to put in an option to hide

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Per discussione Franc Carter
One possible approach to this that I believe will solve the more general case of this is the ability to move selected items to a new layer, which you can then hide cheers On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith

Re: [Talk-br] .poly de um relation

2009-12-22 Per discussione Rodrigo Avila
2009/12/21 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com: Rodrigo, veja se isso ajuda: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/utils/osm-extract/polygons/osm2poly.pl Oi Flávio, grato pela dica. Consegui fazer o que precisava. Pessoal, se alguém pude me ajudar com os limites do estado do Rio de

Re: [Talk-br] .poly de um relation

2009-12-22 Per discussione Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Uma dúvida: em praias devemos utilizar o mesmo *way* tanto para o coastline como para a fronteira do município/estado, não é? Outra dúvida é se as fronteiras dos estados/municípios vão até não sei quantos Km mar adentro como as dos países vão. 2009/12/22 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior

Re: [Talk-br] .poly de um relation

2009-12-22 Per discussione Aun Johnsen
2009/12/22 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com Uma dúvida: em praias devemos utilizar o mesmo *way* tanto para o coastline como para a fronteira do município/estado, não é? Outra dúvida é se as fronteiras dos estados/municípios vão até não sei quantos Km mar adentro como as dos

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft e ventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 22. Dezember 2009 05:05 schrieb Mathias Kemper math...@ghbiker.de: Moin, man könnte ja echt meinen man wäre im falschen Film. Das Frage ich mich mittlerweile auch. Angefangen hats damit, daß du der Meinung zu sein scheinst, aus dem ganzen Gegenwind, den trunk in diesem Fall bekommen

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Mathias Kemper
Hallo Bernd, Vielleicht ist genau diese unsinnige Verbohrtheit dein Problem? Wenn du unter Verbohrtheit verstehst dass jemand seine Meinung vertritt, dann bin ich gerne verbohrt. Ansonsten lass uns doch bitte wieder den Weg einer sachlichen Diskussion finden Wir möchten Kartendaten

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Mathias Kemper
Hallo Martin, Und ich kann mir ehrlich gesagt nicht ein vernünftiges Argument für highway=trunk in diesem Falle vorstellen. wie du vielleicht gelesen hast, stand in meinem Taggin-Vorschlag das Wort VORSCHLAG. Über den highway=trunk kann man ja gerne diskutieren, jedoch halte ich eine

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 21. Dezember 2009 23:42 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Hi, ich sehe immer öfters Wegweiser http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Guidepost die mit bicycle=yes getaggt sind. Im Proposal kann ich da nichts zu finden, wieso ist das in JOSM als Option

Re: [Talk-de] Altenwohn- und Pflegeheim

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 08:31 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: malenki schrieb: Andre Joost schrieb: Die Daten [bei osmdoc] scheinen mir übrigens nicht unbedingt tagesaktuell zu sein. Die stammen vom August. An einer verbesserten (und afaik tagesaktuellen) Auflage von OSMdoc

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 22 Dezember 2009 09:08:49 schrieb Mathias Kemper: Vielleicht ist genau diese unsinnige Verbohrtheit dein Problem? Wenn du unter Verbohrtheit verstehst dass jemand seine Meinung vertritt, dann bin ich gerne verbohrt. Nein, verbohrt nenne ich das, dass du scheinbar kein anderes

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Johann H. Addicks
Am 22.12.2009 09:08 Wenn du unter Verbohrtheit verstehst dass jemand seine Meinung vertritt, dann bin ich gerne verbohrt. Nur weil dieser Rundkurs regelmäßig im weltweiten TV gezeigt wird steigt seine Verkehrsbedeutung nicht. Mag zwar jeder motorsportbegeisterte Medienbürger den schon aus der

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:34:15AM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: Chris-Hein Lunkhusen schrieb: Hi, ich sehe immer öfters Wegweiser http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Guidepost die mit bicycle=yes getaggt sind. könnten glatt von mir sein ;-) Im Proposal

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Andre Joost
André Riedel schrieb: Am 21. Dezember 2009 23:42 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Hi, ich sehe immer öfters Wegweiser http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Guidepost die mit bicycle=yes getaggt sind. Im Proposal kann ich da nichts zu finden, wieso ist

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Trackingpunkte aus einer DB importieren

2009-12-22 Per discussione Rheinberger, Benjamin
sofern die Punkte auch die Höhe enthalten: waere das nicht etwas für eine Höhenkarte? Da wollte doch auch schon mal jemand ran. Die Höhenangaben übermitteln wir (Stand heute) noch nicht mit. Also wenn ich das richtig verstehe gibt es nur eine Möglichkeit aufgezeichnete GPS Punkte in OSM zu

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Andre Joost
Sarah Hoffmann schrieb: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:34:15AM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: Ich trage die Wegweiser des Radverkehrssystems NRW in osm ein, weil die guideposts in osmarender Stufe 17 und lonvias Hiking Map in Zoomstufe 14 bis 16 dargestellt werden. In der Cyclemap werden sie noch

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betri fft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Hallo Mathias, man könnte ja echt meinen man wäre im falschen Film. Wo waren denn eure Kommentare als es darum ging [...] Jetzt wo es umgesetzt werden soll fangen die Mosereien an? nicht aufregen - das ist immer. Und da macht OSM keinen Unterschied zum realen Leben, leider...

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 09:47 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:34:15AM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: Ich trage die Wegweiser des Radverkehrssystems NRW in osm ein, weil die guideposts in osmarender Stufe 17 und lonvias Hiking Map in Zoomstufe 14 bis 16 dargestellt

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Andre Joost schrieb: Andersrum gefragt: tut das bicycle=yes denn irgendwo weh? Oder gibt es eine elegantere Art, den Fahrradbezug für den Wegweiser darzustellen? Solange josm das bicycle-tag so anbietet, werde ich das auch der Einfachheit halber nutzen. Naja, wenn jemand auf die Idee

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Andre Joost
Chris-Hein Lunkhusen schrieb: Andre Joost schrieb: Andersrum gefragt: tut das bicycle=yes denn irgendwo weh? Oder gibt es eine elegantere Art, den Fahrradbezug für den Wegweiser darzustellen? Solange josm das bicycle-tag so anbietet, werde ich das auch der Einfachheit halber nutzen.

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 22. Dezember 2009 10:30 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Andre Joost schrieb: Andersrum gefragt: tut das bicycle=yes denn irgendwo weh? Oder gibt es eine elegantere Art, den Fahrradbezug für den Wegweiser darzustellen? Solange josm das bicycle-tag so anbietet, werde ich das

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Falk Zscheile schrieb: Mein Vorschlag wäre ein Tagging ähnlich wie bei den Recyclingcontainern: information:bicycle=yes information:hiking=no information:beach=yes Oder man folgt einem anderen Schema und verwendet information=guidepost guidepost=bicycle bzw. guidepost=hiking

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 22. Dezember 2009 11:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Falk Zscheile schrieb: Oder man folgt einem anderen Schema und verwendet information=guidepost guidepost=bicycle bzw. guidepost=hiking Die Diskussion mit der Semikolonsyntax (guidepost=hiking;bicycle) hatten

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 11:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Falk Zscheile schrieb: Mein Vorschlag wäre ein Tagging ähnlich wie bei den Recyclingcontainern: information:bicycle=yes information:hiking=no information:beach=yes Oder man folgt einem anderen Schema und verwendet

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 10:48 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: In der Praxis führt es hoffentlich zur Zeit noch zu keinen Routingproblemen, da Wegweiser vorwiegend als separate Nodes getaggt sind. Das mache ich allerdings nicht. Ich setzte die Tags an den Abzweigknoten, damit der

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Andre Joost
André Riedel schrieb: Am 22. Dezember 2009 11:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Das mit dem bicycle=yes werde ich mal als JOSM-Bug eintracen. Im Moment geht es aber dakor mit dem Proposal, also sollten wir zu nächst dies ändern oder diskutieren. Das bicycle=yes steht

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:24:14AM +0100, André Riedel wrote: Am 22. Dezember 2009 09:47 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:34:15AM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: Ich trage die Wegweiser des Radverkehrssystems NRW in osm ein, weil die guideposts in osmarender

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 12:13 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:24:14AM +0100, André Riedel wrote: Das ist nicht weiter tragisch, muss man aber eben beim Kartenzeichnen beachten, denn da interessiert der Ist-Zustand. Mit der Zeit wird sich das sicherlich so

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione André Riedel
Am 22. Dezember 2009 12:07 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: André Riedel schrieb: Am 22. Dezember 2009 11:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Das mit dem bicycle=yes werde ich mal als JOSM-Bug eintracen. Im Moment geht es aber dakor mit dem Proposal, also

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:07:37PM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: André Riedel schrieb: Am 22. Dezember 2009 11:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Das mit dem bicycle=yes werde ich mal als JOSM-Bug eintracen. Im Moment geht es aber dakor mit dem Proposal, also sollten

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione northc...@gmx.de
Am 22.12.2009 09:31, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Was genau ist der Unterschied zwischen der Nordschleife und einem Stückchen Asphalt auf Privatgrund, an dem ein Zeichen 331 (plus dem Hinweis auf StVO) steht? Das die Nordschleife Eigentum der Nürburgring GmbH ist deren Hauptgesellschafter das Land

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 22 Dezember 2009 12:48:26 schrieb northc...@gmx.de: Am 22.12.2009 09:31, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Was genau ist der Unterschied zwischen der Nordschleife und einem Stückchen Asphalt auf Privatgrund, an dem ein Zeichen 331 (plus dem Hinweis auf StVO) steht? Das die Nordschleife

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Andre Joost
Sarah Hoffmann schrieb: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:07:37PM +0100, Andre Joost wrote: Das bicycle=yes steht aber nun mal nicht in dem proposal. Aber es ist schon Realität: planet= select bicycle,count(*) from planet_osm_point where tourism='information' and information='guidepost' group

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Trackingpunkte aus einer DB importieren

2009-12-22 Per discussione Peter Körner
Zur Verdeutlichung was wir zu Verfügung stellen könnten: eine kleinere Datenbank umfasst ca. 2 Trackingpunkte. Kannst du nicht mal schnell (tm) einen solchen gpx track erstellen und hier veröffentlichen? dann können wir den mal via openlayers auf die Karte legen und uns ansehen, was

Re: [Talk-de] gelöschtes Element fehlt beim Zugriff über die API

2009-12-22 Per discussione Peter Körner
Hi Nein, ich will keine unnötigen Daten herunterladen. Also auf gar keinen Fall die komplette history eines Objekts. Schön, dass du das willst - die API kanns aber nicht. Du kannst dir jederzeit den API-Code schnappen und eine entsprechende Erweiteung schreiben. Wenn du den Patch auf die dev

Re: [Talk-de] guidepost

2009-12-22 Per discussione Wolfgang Wienke
Hallo! André Riedel schrieb: Am 21. Dezember 2009 23:42 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Hi, ich sehe immer öfters Wegweiser http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Guidepost die mit bicycle=yes getaggt sind. Im Proposal kann ich da nichts zu finden, wieso

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione northc...@gmx.de
Am 22.12.2009 13:04, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Am Dienstag 22 Dezember 2009 12:48:26 schrieb northc...@gmx.de: Am 22.12.2009 09:31, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Was genau ist der Unterschied zwischen der Nordschleife und einem Stückchen Asphalt auf Privatgrund, an dem ein Zeichen 331 (plus dem Hinweis auf

Re: [Talk-de] Nürburgring Nordschleife (betrifft eventuell Rennstrecken allgemein)

2009-12-22 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 22 Dezember 2009 13:44:59 schrieb northc...@gmx.de: [...] Halleluja, endlich mal Nägel mit Köpfen. Danke für die Mühe und ein dickes Lob für deine Schlussfolgerung. In sofern würde ich mit diesen Informationen wiederum klar dazu tendieren highway=raceway. Da Rennstrecke mit

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