Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN bus stop database import

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter J Stoner
In message def74e78d2f74302bdf48ad40609a...@redsol Roger Slevin ro...@slevin.plus.com wrote: Thomas You comment that York doesn't appear to be aware of the stoparea principle ... this is widespread. There are no downstream national applications that make use of stopareas - and no

Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN bus stop database import

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:51, Roger Slevin wrote: Peter It would be very misleading to the OSM community for them to take any notice of your hope to have stopareas everywhere in the NaPTAN database. More than half of the country do not use stopareas at all in the journey planner that they

Re: [talk-ph] Is Mapnik rendering only on wednesdays?

2009-03-01 Per discussione maning sambale
Mapnik now renders in near real time: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/033970.html Not so for coastlines though :( On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Was surprised to see Mapnik updated on a non-wednesday.  I just added

Re: [talk-ph] Is Mapnik rendering only on wednesdays?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Ed Garcia
Wow this is GREAT Got even more excited to add more roads! On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Mapnik now renders in near real time: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/033970.html Not so for coastlines though :( On

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:35:21AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Simon Ward wrote: this could mean that anyone running osm2pgsql importing minutely data updates would possibly have to make available a ''psql dump of the whole planet'' for any snapshot time where someone cares to request

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dair Grant
Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Not at all; I am still reading through the draft, and have exactly the same concern. It may be I have misunderstood how this is intended to apply, but I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
2009/3/1 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-03-01 Per discussione Rob Myers
John Wilbanks wrote: (although I find the idea that freedom can only come from the barrel of a license deeply depressing). That's CC Zero out of the running then. If Big Company decides to run a mechanical turk contest on Amazon to extract facts from your DB one at a time, do they violate

[OSM-legal-talk] Proposal to update the Use Cases page

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
I am proposing the update the text on the Use Cases page. I intend to merge some of the different Use Cases and introduce some new ones based on the problematic areas we are exploring on the list. I will also tweek the wording to make it clearer for the next legal review (especially the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] legal-talk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4

2009-03-01 Per discussione John Wilbanks
(although I find the idea that freedom can only come from the barrel of a license deeply depressing). That's CC Zero out of the running then. Actually no. This is a slightly wonky lawyer debate about semantics, but we think tools like CC0 should be called *waivers* and not *licenses*.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] legal-talk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4

2009-03-01 Per discussione Rob Myers
John Wilbanks wrote: This is why if you peruse the CC0 site, you'll see it referred to as a legal tool and not a license. It's a small thing, but an important thing to remember. Conflating the waiving of rights with the licensing of rights is what we're trying to avoid in this context.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione MJ Ray
Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: With the GPL, the right to request the source is attached to receiving and using the binary. Withe the AGPL it is attached to being a user of the service. You can't just wander by and say hey! please can I have the source?, you have to be a user of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Plan discussion on talk...

2009-03-01 Per discussione OJ W
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Can we also ensure that any issues that we identify on the list get onto the Open Issues page on the wiki. In that way we can get the legal folk to only review the wiki page and not the whole conversation. I assume

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-03-01 Per discussione OJ W
What's the purpose of S5.0 (disclaimer of moral rights), especially since the plain meaning of that section appears to differ from the 'attribution' element of the current license (not that I think attribution is a great idea with so many contributors, but some bulk-data donors include attribution

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Plan discussion on talk...

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 05:34:59PM +, Peter Miller wrote: Would it be possible for someone to summarise the License Plan thread on Talk when it has come to a conclusion? Personally I am finding the intensity of license discussion a bit much the moment and would prefer to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: We need to clarify this once and for all: Where exactly in the following typical rendering chain does the thing cease to be a database in our definition? * download (section of) OSM data * make changes to OSM data * render OSM data into vector graphics format

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Spam] Re: License Plan discussion on talk...

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:37, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 05:34:59PM +, Peter Miller wrote: Would it be possible for someone to summarise the License Plan thread on Talk when it has come to a conclusion? Personally I am finding the intensity of license discussion a bit

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal to update the Use Cases page

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Peter Miller wrote: I think these Use Cases are going to end up being twins of an eventual FAQ that I imagine will exist. I am starting to think that perhaps the license should be accompanied by a kind of interpretation document

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dair Grant wrote: It may be I have misunderstood how this is intended to apply, but I think both 4.6a and 4.6b end up making derivative databases (effectively any mechanical processing of the original content whatsoever, IMO) problematic. In many cases, generating a file containing all

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:30:41AM -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: Creative Commons license (by-sa). or under the ODbL. If you choose not to give us your email address, or your email address stops working, you waive all right to ownership of your edits. This needs a safeguard to allow for email

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: Russ Nelson schrieb: [...], or your email address stops working, you waive all right to ownership of your edits. Probably about as legally binding as posting a note on the site that says By reading this you agree to sacrifice your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Russ Nelson
I see your point. Data potentially infringing if removed now could be recreated now, making later bookkeeping easier. On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: I don't see much value in removing the data now on the chance that we might have to remove it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The Illustrated ODbL

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, rich...@weait.com wrote: I've attempted to illustrate ways to use the OpenStreetMap database under ODbL and comply with the ODbL obligations. The box at the end of the Produced Work stream says: Share Alike is required if database is derivative. Attribution is always required. - It

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: incompatibility issues

2009-03-01 Per discussione Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not so, it turns out; the Produced Work freedom allows us to combine OSM data *only* with other data whose license does not prohibit the addition of constraints, because ODbL mandates that we add the reverse engineering

[OSM-talk] how to point the openlayers instance to mapnik

2009-03-01 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
Hi, I have been working on doing my own slippy map with mapnik and mod_tile. The documentation mentions the following steps: * Download the planet file from planet.openstreetmap.org * Import into a PostGIS database using osm2pgsql * Set up mapnik and test using osm.xml and the

Re: [OSM-talk] rights of way and designation=*

2009-03-01 Per discussione Mike Harris
... England and Wales specific - not the rest of the UK! Mike Harris _ From: Gustav Foseid [mailto:gust...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 February 2009 09:34 To: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] rights of way and designation=* On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert Vollmert

Re: [OSM-talk] how to point the openlayers instance to mapnik

2009-03-01 Per discussione Lambertus
Lookup the map creating section in the JS code of your website where OpenLayers is used. It should look something like this: map = new OpenLayers.Map( Then add a new TMS layer pointing to your Mapnik instance. The example below shows two of the Mapnik instances used on the Dutch tileserver:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about the implications on the cyclemap db. I'm

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 05:59:40AM +, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: I do regularly import some osm data into PostGIS and reproject it inside the database. Would it be enough to tell where to download the original OSM data and what script to run, or should I really make a dump from my imported and

Re: [OSM-talk] One billion tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Kyle Gordon
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Jochen Topf jochen at remote.org writes: The OSM database now contains over 1 billion tags on nodes, ways and relations together. Congratulations all around! Jochen Big number really. I guess it is the American billion and not the European one (thousand

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:51:24AM +, Dair Grant wrote: I'm not sure what format a file containing all of the alterations would take. Does this mean a machine-readable list of the exact transformations that were performed, or simply a human-readable summary of the transformations made? I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-03-01 Per discussione Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not on the map per se, but if you use the map to re-create the original database then - at least that's what I was thinking! - you are not using your own database but you are (again) using the database compiled by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 10:19, Andy Allan wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-03-01 Per discussione John Wilbanks
Interoperability of data would be nice, but as far as I am concerned it’s not a primary aim unless the interoperability is with other similarly free (freedom) and licensed such that further redistribution is also free. Simon I understand that, and I'm not trying to reopen the argument

Re: [OSM-talk] One billion tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Shaun McDonald
On 1 Mar 2009, at 11:21, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Jochen Topf jochen at remote.org writes: The OSM database now contains over 1 billion tags on nodes, ways and relations together. Congratulations all around! Jochen Big number really. I guess it is the American billion and not the

Re: [OSM-talk] how to point the openlayers instance to mapnik

2009-03-01 Per discussione Thomas Wood
There's an easier method than this, see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Simple_Example#Extensions On 01/03/2009, Lambertus o...@na1400.info wrote: Lookup the map creating section in the JS code of your website where OpenLayers is used. It should look something like this: map =

Re: [OSM-talk] One billion tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Jochen Topf jochen at remote.org writes: The OSM database now contains over 1 billion tags on nodes, ways and relations together. Congratulations all around! Jochen Big number really. I guess it is the American billion and not the European one (thousand millions vs. million millions),

[OSM-talk] One billion tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jochen Topf
The OSM database now contains over 1 billion tags on nodes, ways and relations together. Congratulations all around! Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-01 Per discussione Gervase Markham
On 28/02/09 12:21, 80n wrote: What percentage of data would other people feel willing to see sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? We should probably exclude mass donated data as 90% is probably TIGER anyway. So what percentage of *user contributed* data would other

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-01 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Feb 27, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I think it's pretty unarguable that, in the UK, your tracing of the Peruvian lakes would merit copyright or similar protection (as sweat-of-the- brow). Both

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 11:44, Gustav Foseid wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not on the map per se, but if you use the map to re-create the original database then - at least that's what I was thinking! - you are not using your own database but

[OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Russ Nelson
I'm thinking that we should modify the agreement that people make when they sign up. It should read something like this: By creating an account, you agree that all work uploaded to openstreetmap.org and all data created by use of any tools which connect to openstreetmap.org is to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
Has the ODbL been finalized yet ? If not it will either need to read something like ODbL version X or later. I support you and I would like to go even further. Namely any license that the OSMF chooses. But at least one of the OSMF members (Mikel?) was opposed to it because it's so easy to get

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione OJ W
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Has the ODbL been finalized yet ? If not it will either need to read something like ODbL version X or later. The or later seems to be included in the text of ODBL S4.4 (unlike GPL etc where its a per-project choice) with the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione OJ W
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: But at least one of the OSMF members (Mikel?) was opposed to it because it's so easy to get OSMF membership (and as a consequence a controlling majority on the board). Did someone calculate how much it would cost to buy the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione 80n
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I support you and I would like to go even further. Namely any license that the OSMF chooses. But at least one of the OSMF members (Mikel?) was opposed to it because it's so easy to get OSMF membership (and as a consequence a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione 80n
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Has the ODbL been finalized yet ? If not it will either need to read something like ODbL version X or later. The or later seems to be included in the text

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on thesignup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 17:11, OJ W wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: But at least one of the OSMF members (Mikel?) was opposed to it because it's so easy to get OSMF membership (and as a consequence a controlling majority on the board). Did someone

[OSM-legal-talk] Me, You, the Licensor and the Contract

2009-03-01 Per discussione Gustav Foseid
The Licensor (as defined below) and You (as defined below) agree as follows: reads the beginning of ODbL. The Licensor is the natural or legal person the that offers the Database under the terms of this Licence. Who will be the licensor (owner) of the database for OSM? For the factual information

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Philipp Klaus Krause
Russ Nelson schrieb: [...], or your email address stops working, you waive all right to ownership of your edits. Probably about as legally binding as posting a note on the site that says By reading this you agree to sacrifice your firstborn to the OSMF. Philipp

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: I think that the reason that the US only protects creativity and not facts is because the US doesn't want to give out a monopoly on a set of facts about the world.  I'm unfamiliar with how sweat-of-the-brow works.  Does it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal to update the Use Cases page

2009-03-01 Per discussione OJ W
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Peter Miller wrote: I think these Use Cases are going to end up being twins of an eventual FAQ that I imagine will exist. I am starting to think that perhaps

[OSM-talk] Bad Bot Activity: Maarten Deen

2009-03-01 Per discussione Grant Slater
Annoying... Stop stripping highway = xxx_link Just because you are smart enough to write a bot doesn't mean you should. I love my data, don't go f*** it up. Tiny Snapshot of stupid bot activity...

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal to update the Use Cases page

2009-03-01 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 1 Mar 2009, at 22:33, OJ W wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Peter Miller wrote: I think these Use Cases are going to end up being twins of an eventual FAQ that I imagine will

[OSM-talk] The Illustrated ODbL

2009-03-01 Per discussione richard
Hi all, I've attempted to illustrate ways to use the OpenStreetMap database under ODbL and comply with the ODbL obligations. legal-talk: patches welcome! talk: perhaps you'll find the illustration instructive without having to participate in all of the discussion on legal-talk.

Re: [OSM-talk] Bad Bot Activity: Maarten Deen

2009-03-01 Per discussione maning sambale
Same here in the Philippines. Please stop removing the highway = xxx_link tag. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Annoying... Stop stripping highway = xxx_link Just because you are smart enough to write a bot doesn't mean you should. I love my

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] The Illustrated ODbL

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, rich...@weait.com wrote: I've attempted to illustrate ways to use the OpenStreetMap database under ODbL and comply with the ODbL obligations. The box at the end of the Produced Work stream says: Share Alike is required if database is derivative. Attribution is always required. - It

Re: [OSM-talk] how to point the openlayers instance to mapnik

2009-03-01 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:51:17 Thomas Wood wrote: There's an easier method than this, see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Simple_Example#Extensions great! I am all done - thanks to everyone on this list. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS

[OSM-talk-nl] Open Geo data repository

2009-03-01 Per discussione Milo van der Linden
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geodata_Repository#On_Offer_.21 Mooie show case van gratis geo-data sets. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Per discussione b . schulz . 10
You ripper! How long are we looking at for the whole import? - Original Message - From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org talk-au@openstreetmap.org Is now running, please

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Per discussione Franc Carter
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all posted :). This is rather exciting! Ok, that's nerdy, but we're on OSM so it's allowed, right? Yeah - the latency from here to the UK is just nasty. I'll send out updates interesting

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Per discussione Franc Carter
Yep, but I didn't have any luck finding a server to do it from - my inquiry on the dev list didn't get any response cheers On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.comwrote: Could it be interrupted and run on a server in the UK (or even better, on an OSM server

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Per discussione Cameron
Could it be interrupted and run on a server in the UK (or even better, on an OSM server in the same location as the db server?) ~Cameron 2009/3/1 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all

Re: [Talk-de] verschachtelte Multipolygone

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Torsten Leistikow wrote: Eigenschaft in einem speziellen Fall vorangig dargestellt werden sollte. Dafuer muesste man dann aber Renderer-Kontroll-Tags einfuehren und nicht die Daten kuenstlich verbiegen, wie z.B. durch falsches Anbringen von Layer-Tags. Stellt Dir vor. Das

[Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
Hallo, hat jemand ein funktionierendes Beispiel, wie man WMS in OpenLayers einbindet? Mein Versuch (im Anhang) lädt leider nur schwarze Kacheln (auf Luftbild-Ebene umschalten). Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)Title: Test Mit freundlicher Untersttzung

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dirk Stöcker wrote: hat jemand ein funktionierendes Beispiel, wie man WMS in OpenLayers einbindet? wms.geofabrik.de Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Data Layer on osm.org and landuse areas

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jonas Krückel (John07)
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, does anyone have a good trick how to select individual roads on the openstreetmap.org data layer when the whole village is covered by a freaking landuse polygon? I can only ever select the polygon ;-( Falsche Liste? ;-) Hab das selbe festgestellt, manchmal

Re: [Talk-de] Data Layer on osm.org and landuse areas

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Simon
2009/3/1 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi,    does anyone have a good trick how to select individual roads on the openstreetmap.org data layer when the whole village is covered by a freaking landuse polygon? I can only ever select the polygon ;-( What I do is zooming in until the area

[Talk-de] Data Layer on osm.org and landuse areas

2009-03-01 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, does anyone have a good trick how to select individual roads on the openstreetmap.org data layer when the whole village is covered by a freaking landuse polygon? I can only ever select the polygon ;-( Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09

[Talk-de] Eine Milliarde Tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jochen Topf
Hi! Die OSM-Datenbank enthält jetzt über eine Milliarde Tags an Nodes, Ways und Relations zusammen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Höhennetz/Höhendatenbank

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dimitri Junker
Hallo, Wenn jede Höhenlinie ihr eigenes Konfidenzintervall mitbringt, wird es natürlich sehr fein. Nicht dass man das in einer Straßenkarte dargestellt haben möchte :-) Wie soll ich das machen? 1. Wie bestimme ich die Höhenlinie rechnerisch? 2. Wie dann das Konfidenzintervall? Spätestens nach

Re: [Talk-de] Data Layer on osm.org and landuse areas

2009-03-01 Per discussione grungelborz
Frederik Ramm schrieb: does anyone have a good trick how to select individual roads on the openstreetmap.org data layer when the whole village is covered by a freaking landuse polygon? I can only ever select the polygon ;-( Das Problem wurde irgendwann im Forum diskutiert. Manche lösen

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Sven Geggus wrote: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: hat jemand ein funktionierendes Beispiel, wie man WMS in OpenLayers einbindet? Das geht sehr einfach: http://geggus.net/gmaps/myfsmap.html Wichtig zu wissen ist, dass Openlayers selbst nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Data Layer on osm.org and landuse areas

2009-03-01 Per discussione Norbert Kück
Hallo, Frederik Ramm schrieb: does anyone have a good trick how to select individual roads on the openstreetmap.org data layer when the whole village is covered by a freaking landuse polygon? I can only ever select the polygon ;-( Klick Manualy select a different area. Ziehe einen

Re: [Talk-de] Höhennetz/Höhendatenbank

2009-03-01 Per discussione Johannes Huesing
Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de [Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:22:50AM CET]: Hallo, Wenn jede Höhenlinie ihr eigenes Konfidenzintervall mitbringt, wird es natürlich sehr fein. Nicht dass man das in einer Straßenkarte dargestellt haben möchte :-) Wie soll ich das machen? 1. Wie

Re: [Talk-de] Eine Milliarde Tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jochen Topf
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:30:30AM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Die OSM-Datenbank enthält jetzt über eine Milliarde Tags an Nodes, Ways und Relations zusammen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Welcher Datentyp wird denn für die OSM-ID verwendet? Müssen wir uns

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: hat jemand ein funktionierendes Beispiel, wie man WMS in OpenLayers einbindet? wms.geofabrik.de Hmm, nach vielen Probieren bekomme ich WMS hin. Sobald ich aber einen OSM-Layer als Alternative anbieten will, schaltet der mir für WMS auf EPSG:900913

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Sven Geggus wrote: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: Die Frage warum ich für alle Layer gleiche Projektionen brauche bleibt Deine darstellbare Fläche hat ja eine fixe Begrenzung x1,x2,y1,y2 Naja, für meine Anwendung brauche ich keine fixe Fenstergröße. Das

Re: [Talk-de] verschachtelte Multipolygone

2009-03-01 Per discussione Gerrit Lammert
Hi Torsten. Torsten Leistikow wrote: Bei dem Beispiel mit dem Park sehe ich das Problem, dass sich in meinen Augen Wald und Park eigentlich ausschliessen. Fuer Wald haben wir zwei allg. akzeptierte Tags: landuse=forest steht fuer forstwirtschaftlich genutzte Flaechen und natural=wood steht

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: hat jemand ein funktionierendes Beispiel, wie man WMS in OpenLayers einbindet? Das geht sehr einfach: http://geggus.net/gmaps/myfsmap.html Wichtig zu wissen ist, dass Openlayers selbst nicht umprojizieren kann, d.h. Dein WMS muss Simple

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Jochen Topf
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:55:58PM +0100, Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Dirk Stöcker wrote: Wichtig zu wissen ist, dass Openlayers selbst nicht umprojizieren kann, d.h. Dein WMS muss Simple Mercator (Google Projektion EPSG:900913) anbieten, was die meisten WMS-Server eher nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Eine Milliarde Tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Die OSM-Datenbank enthält jetzt über eine Milliarde Tags an Nodes, Ways und Relations zusammen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Welcher Datentyp wird denn für die OSM-ID verwendet? Müssen wir uns da Sorgen machen? 32-Bit unsigned sind nämlich nur

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: Die Frage warum ich für alle Layer gleiche Projektionen brauche bleibt Deine darstellbare Fläche hat ja eine fixe Begrenzung x1,x2,y1,y2 Wenn Du nun eine Andere Projektion wählt, sagen wir mal zum Beispiel lat/long WGS84, was ja eine völlig

Re: [Talk-de] Höhenkarte für Aachen

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Johannes Huesing schrieb: Wenn diese Punkte 40 m entfernt auf einem Track liegen, erregen schon 10 Höhenmeter Differenz Verdacht. In Dortmund-Hörde haben wir an einem Punkt 10 Höhenmeter auf 2 Meter (Bahnstrecke) und etwas weiter an der Schnettkerbrücke das Z-fache (Grund: Emschertal):

Re: [Talk-de] Aachen - Komplettdownload

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Johannes Huesing schrieb: http://www.file-upload.net/download-1481299/GPX_Aachen.zip.html Ich weiß ich war nciht angesprochen, aber er macht 'nen 404 hier. Habe es auf den Uni-Server gelegt. Lebt für 1 Woche ab jetzt: http://depot.tu-dortmund.de/get/wemq8z

[Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Hallo Community, aus älterem Projekt-Bestand zur Errechnung von Solarpotential in Wohnbebauung habe ich noch Daten, die ich für OpenStreetMap verwenden könnte. Hinterlegt sind: - Dachfläche (teilw. Modulfläche) - Dachform - Dachneigung - Dachexposition - Dachverschattung Viele Teile lassen sich

[Talk-de] ORS - Fußgänger-Routing über Pl ätze

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Hallo Community, ich frage mal hier, um die ORS-Leute nicht von der Entwicklung abzuhalten :-) Ist generell schon ein Routing über Plätze möglich, auf denen keine Wege vorhanden, sondern uneingeschränktes Bewegen für Fußgänger möglich ist? Wichtige Plätze hier in Dortmund werden umgangen,

Re: [Talk-de] verschachtelte Multipolygone

2009-03-01 Per discussione Torsten Leistikow
Gerrit Lammert schrieb: landuse=park und natural=wood schließen sich nicht aus (auch logisch, es sei denn man ist der Meinung in einem Park dürfe es keine Bäume geben). Das haben hier ein paar Leute so formuliert, ein paar fanden das gut, ein paar nicht. Ich bin ein bisschen konservativ und

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: So, jetzt brauche ich nur noch die Methode, wie man GPX-Spuren darstellen kann. Das kann Openlayers. http://geggus.net/gmaps/radtour-ausflug2008.shtml Gruss Sven -- Software is like sex; it's better when it's free

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Bei http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ muss ich das auch machen, wenn man zwischen Google- und OSM-Layern wechselt. Huch? Ich dachte Google und OSM würden die selbe Projektion verwenden? Sven -- The American news-media is no longer a news source; it is a

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Gibt es schon einen roof-Key? Attribute wären z.B.: - flat (Flachdach) - gable (Satteldach) - hip (Walmdach) - mansard (Mansardendach) - monopitch (Schleppdach) - shed (Pultdach) Dann noch Optionen, wie dormers (Dachgauben). Es gibt das ältere Proposal zu

Re: [Talk-de] Eine Milliarde Tags

2009-03-01 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: 64-Bit unsigned sollte etwas länger reichen: 18446744073709551615 Die MySQL nimmt 64Bit Ints. Aber nicht alle Software, die die Daten nutzt macht das auch... Signed int? Das wäre dann 9223372036854775807 mögliche Nodes. Die gesamte Landfläche der Erde

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 1. März 2009 16:10 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Hallo Community, aus älterem Projekt-Bestand zur Errechnung von Solarpotential in Wohnbebauung habe ich noch Daten, die ich für OpenStreetMap verwenden könnte. Hinterlegt sind: - Dachfläche (teilw. Modulfläche)

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Tobias Knerr schrieb: Durch die sich abzeichnenden 3D-Verwendungen könnte inzwischen der Antrieb für so was da sein, den es zur Erstellungszeit des genannten Proposals (2006) noch nicht gab. Allerdings fehlen noch geeignete Editoren. Google hat ja damals Sketchup gekauft, mit dem man sehr gut

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/3/1 Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Tobias Knerr schrieb: Durch die sich abzeichnenden 3D-Verwendungen könnte inzwischen der Antrieb für so was da sein, den es zur Erstellungszeit des genannten Proposals (2006) noch nicht gab. Allerdings fehlen noch geeignete Editoren.

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: eher uninteressant da ableitbar Wie ich bereits schreiben. - Dachform komplexes Thema. Wie willst Du beispielsweise die Ausrichtung angeben? Die Ausrichtung ist sehr wichtig, weil wenn sie nicht stimmt, das ganze Dach schlechter ist als gar nicht drin. Da ich

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: Forschritte

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. Februar 2009 16:01 schrieb Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de: Sascha Silbe schrieb: Gab es tatsächlich Fälle, wo die Daten _explizit_ ohne jegliche Einschränkungen zur Verfügung gestellt wurden? Ja. Die TIGER-Daten sind PD; die Strassendatenbank NRW wurde zur freien Nutzung ohne

Re: [Talk-de] key: building - Dachformen?

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 1. März 2009 16:49 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Google hat es mit Sketchup optimal gelöst, finde ich. Du weißt als Architekt selber, was für Kombinationen möglich sind. als Architekt weiss ich, dass ich ALLES machen kann, solange es dicht ist und nicht einstürzt.

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers WMS

2009-03-01 Per discussione Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Sven Geggus wrote: So, jetzt brauche ich nur noch die Methode, wie man GPX-Spuren darstellen kann. Das kann Openlayers. Ja, ist mir bewusst. Ich hatte ja schon ein schönes Beispiel dafür. http://geggus.net/gmaps/radtour-ausflug2008.shtml Und ich glaube, das hier war

Re: [Talk-de] Verwendung von Openstreetmap ohne Quellenangabe

2009-03-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. Februar 2009 23:56 schrieb Patrick Kolesa patrick.kol...@web.de: malenki schrieb: Die dort verlinkte Karte dürfte sehr wahrscheinlich mit OSM-Daten erstellt worden sein, ein Hinweis darauf fehlt. Unten links im Kartenausschnitt kann man noch ein eetMap erkennen. Ist meiner Meinung

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