Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/8 grahamjones...@googlemail.com: how they have coded it - no SDL or GTK libraries listed etc - they might be writing directly to the framebuffer with their own code. maybe I don't get the meaning of this thread, but just in case, are you aware of this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm pdf in Illustrator - fonts issue

2010-04-10 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/10 elisabetta ronchi elisabetta.ron...@gmail.com: My problem is that I'm trying to edit OSM maps in Adobe Illustrator but I have problems with fonts. there is also this Perl script by Richard Fairhurst, which converts OSM to Illustrator 6, but then it's a lot of work to assemble the

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-12 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/12 Dmitry Granovsky dima.granov...@gmail.com: Another issue which surprises me immensely is that in Russia a lot of open (=not secret) data gathered together and structured may allegedly result in secret data. Could anyone from, say, Germany or UK comment on this? For Germany this is

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] OSM-Garmin-Karten bei Ebay

2010-04-12 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Am 12. April 2010 22:18 schrieb Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com: Soweit ich das sehe, ist es eben auch prinzipiell so, dass jeder genannt werden muesste. Wenn ich also Werke / Datenbearbeitungen basierend auf OSM veroeffentliche, dann kann ich AFAIK sehr wohl verlangen, dass das

[OSM-talk] SOTM Registration Page. Facebook

2010-04-14 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I was recently registering for SOTM and was a little bit confused about some advertisement I find on the page. I can understand that payments for convenience and security reasons are processed by paypal (they operate worldwide, ...), but is it really necessary to advertise facebook? As far as I

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/15 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Of cause what is missing here is that since this 'vote' was only in Russian then the vast majority of us would not even be able to vote anyway. There should perhaps be a rule about needing all votes to carry an English translation, since the

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM: selecting areas

2010-04-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/20 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Now, I would like to click on any point in the viewport and select all the area features that have that clicked point inside (if any). please take care that those are not accidentially moved, JOSM-users are not used to have that powerful

Re: [OSM-talk] Updates for JOSM

2010-04-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/21 Irene Pucci ipu...@navionics.it: Ok! Thank you so much! Do you know if there is a way to know when the updates come out? Like by mail or other by other nstruments... If you use Linux there are also scripts available, that check automatically on startup if there is a new version

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag conflict? e.g. man_made=tower and man_made=surveillance

2010-04-22 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: If having a CCTV in a shop is the norm, should we perhaps start tagging the exception (surveillance=no)? wouldn't this still lead to surveillance=yes and surveillance=unknown to see if this tag is already checked, or simply a missing information?

[OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-04-28 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-04-29 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/29 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: please vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Err... Aren't those called houses? yes, it could be houses. It could also be a cave or a tent, but mostly it will be houses. This is a

Re: [OSM-talk] tags: embankment / cutting = both/left/right/none

2010-04-30 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/27 colliar colliar4e...@aol.com: I think we need to expand the values of embankment and cutting as only yes is not much information and I often have ways with cutting on one and embankment on the other side. I would propose embankment=both/left/right/none and

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-02 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Well, OK, but you did use the term 'households' Why not use the standard landuse=residential? Because this is about place and not about landuse. I understand place as a tag for human settlements which vary from very small

Re: [OSM-talk] The Best way to show individual shops within a shopping complex?

2010-05-03 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com: Here's one where I used the layer tag. So we can model 3D, this is not 3D. It is something similar to what some CAD-Programs call 2.5-D. But it's use is very limited (number of layers, no heights, not to talk about inclining levels, split level, ...)

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, perhaps network=lcn+status=unofficial+signposted=no. But Andy's a strict

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-04 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Towns and hamlets are usually incorporated in one form or another, isolated buildings aren't, in any case you can tell how isolated a building is by comparing features around it, you don't need to explicitly say it's isolated. I agree to this,

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/5 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: In English usage, a dwelling is a residence.  So, a farmhouse would be an isolated dwelling; a building not used as a residence, such as a restaurant or train station, would be an isolated building, but not an isolated dwelling. sorry, I wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-05 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/5 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Since the English language defines a dwelling as a place where someone dwells, I suspect that the UK government is using the term to mean structures used as residences.  The proposed tag, on the other hand, would classify any isolated building

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly cleaned up first. quite close to the residences and the lake ;-)

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/15 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Sat, 15 May 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote:   It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa don't forget oxygen is not only poisonous in some forms

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/16 SteveC st...@asklater.com: As for why this is better, anyone who has printed t-shirts, conference material or worked in branding will tell you, as I already have that the current logo: * has too many colours * doesn't scale * is too busy * isn't brandable to a colour scheme

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/17 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de: right. that would be the a term. You don't have to be a designer to use the desaturate button. The challange is to make it work afterwards. The current logo does not work monochromatic, mine does. have you ever seen a monochromatic version of the

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 SteveC st...@asklater.com: You couldn't sort of extrapolate forward from a GIS system to OSM. You couldn't extrapolate from crappy Nokia phones forward to the iPhone (without hindsight, of course). I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. You can't compare a logo (an

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? yes, that's why I marked place=farm as

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? I was implying that you put

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant to be a node tag. it is a node or polygon-tag. Up to the mapper. In the end all place-tags are best on polygons and not on nodes. Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Right, but this means you cannot downgrade a place=farm that sits on a node to a place=isolated_dwelling without loss of information because you could not attach landuse=farmyard to a node. At least that would be a very unusual way of tagging.

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: Well the question came from a new OSMer from Shkoder Albania, who is helping with the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp. The people in albania dont have much money, it is a very poor country,

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-19 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they were towns I'm sure that the Argentinians

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a grend which I would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. how much distance there is required to be isolated depends surely

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?

2010-05-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 20 May 2010 08:02, Rob Warren war...@muninn-project.org wrote: Historical mapping has some problems that are a bit different from conventional mapping in that 1) everything is a timestamp While it would be nice for the OSM APIs to natively

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/21 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: I took the freedom to remove the mark of deprecated on place=farm and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm OK, I made

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/21 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: No reasons to stop this mess where in the past the place hierarchy was quite clear: city town village hamlet locality this is actually not clear, because locality was long ago (or has ever been) defined as uninhabited place, regardless the size of the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-22 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/22 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of these are so isolated that there exists no cars there. IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether a building is part of a bigger settlement or is isolated

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-22 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/22 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 22 May 2010 20:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the isolated in isolated dwelling is about the context, whether So place=farm, isolated=yes ? actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 23 May 2010 01:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually, what's the point of isolated (or even the meaning: this is completely relative to context)? You can see that a place is isolated (given completeness of the map

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Ahh, interesting Station in Au means it has a platform, and implies an office, a permanent employee and hopefully a toilet as well. the same in Germany, but permanent employees are less frequent now, because of cost reduction. Halt means there is no

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: And the whole thing became one big mess due to cultural differences... I don't know why. Places where one person, 2 persons, one family live, are isolated dwellings, if they are not connected to other such dwellings in the surrounding (and the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I think that I understand that in Germany isolated_place is a defined type of entity, while in other places it represents a subjective decision. in some way, many of our tags include subjective decisions. I can find quite some results for isolated_dwelling and

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: isolated dwelling here sounds like it is architect or journalist talk, not any cartographic or geo-orientated word. That's a decision from the context, because the phrase does not hold a particular meaning in a geographic sense Here it

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: have a look on page 4: http://www.google.de/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1ved=0CB0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2F202.82.16.155%2Fbss%2Fgeography%2Fs7_ppt%2Fch6.pptrct=jq=settlement+hierarchy+australia+%22isolated+dwelling%22ei=Lvj4S6Avy5SxBsW4saQGusg

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-26 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/26 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... you might be kidding, but it actually can be, it's one of the cases for which this place-vakue was introduced. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-26 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/26 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I think he referred to the Aussie meaning of station which means an isolated farm and has nothing to do with railways. OK, I got it, but actually IMHO isolated farms can as well be mapped with place=isolated_dwelling and a farm-tag aside. cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing error Cloudmap.com or wrong tagging?

2010-05-29 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/27 Michael Eric Menk mikem...@yahoo.no: since I wrote that no motor-vehicle allowed. access=no motorcar=private foot=yes bicycle=yes horse=yes(/no) is quite common in Norway you should try not to put access=no and then a lot of exceptions, but instead use motor_vehicle=no (or

Re: [OSM-talk] We need urgently a clarification between place locality, farm and isolated_dwelling

2010-05-30 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Good to see that nobody cares about the wiki inconsistencies of 'locality'. give us some time, not everybody can read everything within some hours. at

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/30 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com: It really shouldn't be taken as a more general rule. Just for instance, localised names of places are not very often found on the ground. +1, we already map stuff that is not found on the ground but still fits perfectly into our data (e.g. borders).

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 31 May 2010 08:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, we already map stuff that is not found on the ground but still fits perfectly into our data (e.g. borders). Borders isn't a good example, some/many of these are marked

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. actually the case which is

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: This brings up another question.  On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams.   If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-06-01 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? They look at a map! No, they don't have to look at a map, that's the point: they simply _know_ it, they use the name

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-06-01 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: 2010/5/31 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com I don't think anyone has suggested that we leave out things I'd they aren't signposted. Nathan, who started this thread, has done exactly that, and he's gone around removing route relations where the routes were not

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/1 Anthony o...@inbox.org: The road should simply be marked as having no pavement/sidewalk. Something like pavement=yes/no is a start at least. It's best to avoid subject assessments like how dangerous a road is. Hmm, is shoulder a fairly universal term?  Because shoulder=no would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/2 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: With many high-speed highways (such as Interstate Highways in the USA, Autobahn in Germany, etc.) you may have wide shoulders, but pedestrian use on the shoulders is inadvisable and/or illegal, because crossing to the other side means having to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: John Smith schrieb:   Currently I've been making a proposal for OSM to adopt an UUID tagging   scheme so that third parties wishing to directly refer to OSM objects   can do so without the current problems of using internal database   reference

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/6 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Off the top of my head I'm thinking of a line within the area that defines the direction. it would have to be linked to the boundary by using relations(?) Yup that is how I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Interesting problem. Seems related to the general how to map a street as an area without sacrificing the properties of streets problem. Use an area, and a relation, with the relation specifying which way(s) are the top and bottom? +1, as long as

Re: [OSM-talk] Small village high detail low angle orthorectification

2010-06-13 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/13 Tristan Scott trs...@gmail.com: Now, the images are taken at quite a low angle, so I'll need to recify them using software you will always need to rectify and align / project them, but if they're taken from a very low angle that's a bad basis for our needs. Good luck, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device

2010-06-14 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/14 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Cloudmade calculates both routes as expected, so I would exclude data error (e.g. non-connected roads) from the problem. Don't know how often cloudmate refreshes it's routing data, but if it's the same they use for their renderings it is quite old, so

[OSM-talk] Feature creating/proposing process not working for updates / changes (here farm/farmland)

2010-06-14 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Hi, recently on the Italian ML arose the question, whether to use farm or farmland. Checking the wiki popped up this recently (12 days) created page that stated landuse=farmland to be obsoleted. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Farmoldid=482025 the same user set

Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?

2010-06-16 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at: Hi! Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= You might also want to look at place=isolated_dwelling (and probably a subtag for

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: OSM does need to think more carefully about what exactly is in and out of scope. The scope is IMHO the worldmap drawn with the knowledge of locals, that's why I'd consider these informal neighbourhoods precious to our data, even more as they are not

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-16 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Imo, it is. They name OSM as a data source directly below the image and let you access osm.org when you click on the image. They also give more detailled attribution (with the license abbreviation and another link to osm.org) on the Source

Re: [OSM-talk] Bug reporting problems

2010-06-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: your display with them when you are outside. Other bugs require checking things on the ground, so they are useless to display in your editor at home. Etc. unless you know it. If it's about names, a local could probably solve the issue without

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: So we are going to retag all highway=primary|secondary|tertiary|unclassified to highway=road and then tag the number of lanes and their width and surface in stead? That would probably piss people off.  Would be fine with me, though. this discussion (and

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-22 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/22 Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com: get hit by cars.   Meanwhile there is a contingent of idiots in a city near me that are continuously complaining that the city is not bicycle friendly but that won't speak out about absurdly dangerous bicycling behaviors that go on all the time..  Even

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/23 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I figured it would be footway=* (a la cycleway=*), but apparently that was proposed years ago and never adopted (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Footway). do you suggest to set it to abandoned? Features in OSM are (mostly) not introduced

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-23 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/23 Anthony o...@inbox.org: The alternative would be to have three different ways. Neither solution is particularly nice, though.  I'm actually hoping someone will come up with something better :). use three ways and connect them with area relations ;-) cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: views or oppose them, but certainly the main point of this discussion is that should we want to change it you can't just change the wiki and declare it done! I completely agree to this and think it also applies to many other wiki edits. Sadly, as

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: highway=* link=yes actually I like this, but it's not the first time it is proposed here, and I think you can hardly change tags used as often and for so long time as this. It would probably end up in a similar mess than path and footway. cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering: nature_reserve and national_park

2010-06-29 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/28 yvecai yve...@gmail.com: Today, the polygons tagged with leisure=nature_reserve are rendered on the slippy map in the leisure layer, thus overlapping and hiding other landuse (like 'wood' for instance: http://osm.org/go/0CAfHX7). These polygons should be rendered in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/2 Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796lon=5.62046zoom=15layers=B000FTFT That's great. I like the integration in the plus, but think

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 July 9th - 11th Last Call

2010-07-04 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/3 Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz: At 10:12 AM 2/07/2010, Mike Collinson wrote: Europeans, why sit at home and watch your team get beaten by the Brazilians? Switch off the TV and immediately follow these steps: Well of course what I meant to say was the Argentines, You might try to

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-04 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/3 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: Our arbitrary decision is to decide whether a moderately crappy country lane might just be significant enough to call tertiary I'd say this is up to the individual mapper / situation. It will never be possible to satisfyingly resolve this for all

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/4 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: True, but paper maps are usually not printed at a scale where including street numbers are practical. There are actually paper maps that include housenumbers (city scale) --- not all of them, but if you put them in intervalls it's usually good

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-05 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/4 Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de: exclusive. I just say that the more projects there are, the longer it takes to achieve a specific goal. if one is a cyclist with interest in cycling, she/he will not go out mapping parking lots or petrol stations just because someones

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-05 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 5 July 2010 19:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually I don't understand why so many people complain about mapping trees. Trees have generally a longer life cycle than buildings. I like trees and I like to have them

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Okay.  How do you use speed limit tags when only 8% of the roads are tagged with them? Actually it doesn't matter at all, how many percents of the planet are tagged with a certain tag, it is sufficient that the tags are present in the area you are interested

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-06 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/5 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: So you ask people to not join the nodes just because you make the assumption that this person is contributing in US and that a majority of US boundaries have errors... I could also say that if the boundary is really following the road, then there is no harm

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-07 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:56 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com So, what happens in your region if the road planners decide to alter the position of part of a road, Most probably the boundary will not move. But we also have many cases where boundaries

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-07 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/7 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: sense. I think in many cases the boundary definition does not exist independently of the feature. yes, of course if this is the case (and boundary mapping depends on the feature and not on an import), it is perfectly right to do it, otherwise it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-13 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/12 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: For gas stations, the name of the supplying oil company would be properly described as the brand (e.g. Shell, Mobil). If someone asked me for the operator of the station, I would take this to be synonymous with owner, and it would be unlikely

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-13 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/13 Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org: A common statement by those on the inside. Membership of OSMF costs money. I have enough money for that sort of expense but not everyone does. True it does cost money; but it's not a massive amount. this is entirely relative and not true for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-13 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/13 Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com: If Richard's statement relayed through Frederik of that at least 90% of data is an absolute minimum becomes binding, (which would still leave a huge amount of room for wiggeling, after all 10% of data would be still 1 1/2 entire Germanys, or nearly

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-25 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/21 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 21 July 2010 02:02, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers they use?  Is overloading the terms mapnik and osmarender as both a tile layer, style file and rendering library

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-25 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/25 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: I'd be happy to just see localised highway shields... once you have them, you can do whatever other local differentiation you like to. I wonder what we would need to. For maintenance reasons there shouldn't be complete different stylesheets, but

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-27 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/25 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: I started working on this problem: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields maybe this could be treated more general? It would be really appealing to have localized subway/lightrail-station-symbols cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] mountain_pass=yes: combination with place=locality and rendering

2010-08-13 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/28 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: But for me place=locality is not about the importance or renown of something. It's about a place that has a name but no significant other feature - which is not the case here. place=locality is about uninhabited places with a name, but whether

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-14 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/10 Jaak Laineste jaak.laine...@gmail.com: I like this test because it will make things easy. No fuzzy shades of grey like some Richard is suggesting. Can you give an example of a thing that is done by a human being and that is not art by this definition?  Humans create many non-art

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL Moderation

2010-08-15 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/11 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Specifically, I point to the basics of mailing list etiquette: ...        • No conspiracy theories ... could this be amended by unless there is a real conspiracy? Otherwise our hands might be tied in case there is a conspiracy. cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/16 Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com: Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node nonsense? I'd say the validators are right, because a node that is neither part of a way, nor part of a relation, and has no tags is simply useless: we have no idea why it

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 17 August 2010 21:09, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Of course there are shops, where you can buy AND rent a bike or a car - but that's an additional argument to tag it different: shop=car; rent=car; +1 I would have

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 17 August 2010 23:13, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: It's the same question in other cases, too: - post offices as service of normal shops vs. selling office stuff as service of post offices The primary purpose is handling

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: It's no more or less factual than recording temperature and other meteorological data at a weather station. IMHO it is not comparable at all, because we don't turn simply the gps on and wait what it registers, but we actively move around on

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/18 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: Interesting. In the past I've just used JOSM to download all the GPS traces in my area and then taken a screen shot. I did some visualisations in the past using gnuplot, but not caring about projections and the like (just used a cartesian grid).

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of nature reserve is very, very bad

2010-08-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/20 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: Anyway, I agree that rendering NR should be more like administrative zone with special rules, not current green overlay. At least not for default osm.org map. +1 maybe also with different linetypes/colours for different protection grades and light

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship

2010-08-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/20 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Well, I actually tag the whole grounds of a church as amenity=place_of_worship and leave the building(s) as building=yes ignoring the fact that it looks awful on the Mapnik layer. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39724055 so

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship

2010-08-20 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/20 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: You're being too literal with worship part of place_of_worship.  We have highway=steps and stairways are definitely not highways. Amenity=place_of_worship is IMO to be taken literally: it is about worshipping (mosque, church, temple, synagogue,

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship

2010-08-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/21 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: The landuse=religious seems like a good compromise.  Landuse=institutional seems a bit too generic, as there are so many different types of institutions... ...for which we actually don't have landuses either (government, ngos, international

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Per discussione Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/21 NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de: Hi! I am trying to interest new people. But that means sending absolutely clueless folks here and one wrong click at that point and they can mess up the area for good without even knowing it. - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely

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