Re: [Talk-us] Mapping rail trails

* stevea [2019-07-11 17:38 -0700]: > I know it seems "like it just makes sense" to combine Maryland and DC > relations, but there are rather deliberate reasons to keep these > separate. One is state-level, the other is federal-level (is one), but > the "state at a time for route relations" is a

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping rail trails

* Richard Fairhurst [2019-07-11 01:56 -0700]: > It would be good to have a distinct C Canal Trail relation over and > above the USBRS 50 relation, for example. You mean aside from these? https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1392951 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9773990 I suppose

Re: [Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

* Phil! Gold [2019-03-08 17:44 -0500]: > https://gitlab.com/asciiphil/osm-shields Oops, that's the master branch, which doesn't have the changes. You need to look at the svg branch: https://gitlab.com/asciiphil/osm-shields/traa/svg -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / h

Re: [Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

* Kevin Kenny [2019-03-08 14:25 -0500]: > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:37 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > > > > I agree that a local US OSM map with a *subtly* adapted rendering would be > > fantastic. Phil Gold did some interesting work years ago on rendering US > > s

Re: [Talk-us] Representing census-designated places (CDP), Census County Division (CCD), etc

* Nelson A. de Oliveira [2016-04-28 16:24 -0300]: > Do you represent [CDPs] (and maybe other statistical boundaries) in OSM? > If yes, what are you using? (boundary=?, border_type=?, etc) As people have indicated, practices vary. I live in a region where very few named

Re: [Talk-us] Strategy for Naming Parts of a Large Park

* Elliott Plack [2016-03-01 14:49 +]: > [Patapsco Valley State Park] consists of several nine or so areas (2) > spread out over 30 miles of the Patapsco River valley. Some of the parts > are contiguous, others not. The sub-areas also do not have (or do not always

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for coastline to Inland Bay / River transition

* Elliott Plack [2016-01-07 20:12 +]: > What are the current accept[ed] best practices for determining where to "cut > off" the coastline and to begin a river or bay type feature? The wiki seems > to be in disagreement about this, and I've read chatter about switching

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

* Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com [2015-06-22 08:32 -0400]: On June 22, 2015 2:46:36 AM EDT, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: tiger:reviewed=no Most of the well reviewed Tiger I see still has this tag. People don't know to delete it. Usually I change it to =yes instead of

Re: [Talk-us] Importing parks and schools for Anne Arundel County MD

* Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com [2014-05-30 00:52 -0700]: The only other thing that stuck out to me about the data was the B A trail. You have a polygon for the trail which is awesome but I would also add in a properly tagged linear way. It will make it possible for routers to use

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways

* Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com [2014-03-28 02:53 -0400]: Interesting note about this in Maryland. My friend Mike showed me that some mappers have been using the *county* route numbers on some county roads in Maryland. Since Maryland counties don't sign their route numbers[0], they're

Re: [Talk-us] NAIP Imagery Servers -- Need Assistance Setting Up in JOSM

* Kam, Kristen -(p) krist...@telenav.com [2014-03-24 17:26 +]: The other week, I came across the directory of USDA's WMS NAIP Image Services (by state). QGIS renders the images with no problem, but it appears to fail in JOSM. If it helps, OSM-US hosts a tile proxy for the USGS-hosted NAIP

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways: Use of unique ISO/ANSI/USPS 2-letter state codes in RELATIONS as well as WAYS?

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2014-03-12 00:33 -0500]: I went and verified some things about bannered routes. It looks like the current shield rendering looks for network=X:Y:Modifier. So for example the US 50 truck route in Cincinnati is network=US:US:Truck and ref=50. [snip] Looking

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

* Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com [2014-03-13 10:26 -0400]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 This is really similar to the discussions that periodically happen in the open source software community over whether share-alike licenses like the GPL or open-use licenses like the

Re: [Talk-us] Question about incorrect data for an administrative area

* Jay Boyer bo...@snhdmail.org [2013-10-10 13:34 -0700]: Enterprise is an unincorporated town. But Enterprise is actually part of Las Vegas and all of the addresses within Enterprise are Las Vegas addresses. Enterprise is this area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/170132

Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?

* Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com [2013-10-09 19:54 -0700]: I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Er, sorry about that. I've been extremely busy for about the past two months

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2013-07-28 22:38 -0500]: http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html Awesome! Thanks for all your work in making this happen! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

* Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net [2013-07-29 08:17 -0400]: one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's automagically using that style shield for all county routes. should we deal with this or let it go? I'd

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

* Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com [2013-07-29 00:40 -0700]: I wonder if this would be helpful: I've been generating weekly generalized datasets of route relations. http://openstreetmap.us/~migurski/streets-and-routes/ The tiles take a little while to render, so I wonder whether

Re: [Talk-us] Shield rendering and detours; tagging nicknames?

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-07-13 18:52 -0500]: OK, wonder if we can get orange detour banners for routes as well? Example relations can be found in the downtown Tulsa area, which has an interstate (244), two US routes (64, 75) and an Oklahoma state highway (51) detoured through

Re: [Talk-us] Releasing my data into Public Domain

* Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com [2013-07-18 14:25 -0400]: Question to you: On our website, we are uncertain as how to say, The data is public domain. Can you all provide examples of other sites that provide data that has been imported into OSM? I don't know of any large sites using it,

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-15 00:36 -0400]: Man, there are TONS of bannered routes in GA. It might take forever to find out all of them, even with using GA's own maps to find them. Well, I wrote a tool[0] that looks at the rendering database and gives me a list of route

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-13 20:46 -0400]: In GA, it seems you're not supporting the US:GA:Connector network. I do support US:GA:Connector, but I didn't have an entry for Connector 40. (I do now. :) ) I an effort to reduce the amount of time needed for shield generation,

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-11 14:02 -0400]: I know that there is a US 1-9 in NJ, but this error is showing up in NC. ;) Oh, wow. That *is* a bug. I've got to figure out how to handle it, but here's what's going on: Those ways (take

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com [2013-07-11 15:32 -0400]: * James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-11 14:02 -0400]: I know that there is a US 1-9 in NJ, but this error is showing up in NC. ;) Oh, wow. That *is* a bug. And now it's fixed. :) The replacement code will only kick

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-09 01:40 -0400]: So, does anybody else have any more comments on how we should deal with tagging these Future Interstates? Given that previous list consensus was for tagging of the form: network=US:I:Future ref=number modifier=Future

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-10 08:59 -0400]: There is one other. I mentioned it in my e-mail from yesterday (07-09-13). That is I-295 in Fayetteville. Okay, I've got that one in my rendering now, too. And to be honest, I thought some people wanted the :Future part

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-10 09:22 -0400]: I could fix the PA Turnpike relation with the US:PA:Turnpike network tag in a moment. Would that work instead of just fixing the name tags for both directions? That wouldn't affect my rendering as it currently stands. The

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net [2013-07-10 09:58 -0400]: an NJTP shield is probably appropriate. the turnpike is _not_ precisely I-95. I think I was unclear in my question. I have a New Jersey Turnpike shield that I want to use. My question is: should the route relation for the New

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-07-10 10:16 -0500]: I don't think we hit a consensus, did we? Seems like we were talking about whether having a modifier tag or not, and if not, including the banner in the network. As I documented at

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-07-10 10:44 -0400]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/172380289 There are some interesting things going on here. Is this road really part of both US 21 and US 21 Bypass? That seems weird to me, but if someone says that's how the road's signed

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-07-10 10:28 -0500]: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Also, do you guys think for the PA Turnpike XXX routes, that the network tag for them should be US:PA:Turnpike That's how I've been handling the Oklahoma

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2013-06-30 03:39 -0500]: So then we come back to the question of what exactly is trunk if it isn't used for these kinds of roads? I've thought of them as something like really major but not Interstate-grade roads. Primary roads are main roads, obviously,

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-06-26 22:34 -0400]: I thought the modifier would be the type of Business route? Remember, we do have Business Spurs and Business Loops for Interstate highways. Sometimes both types in the same city. Every Business Interstate is signed as either a

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-06-26 23:25 -0500]: Looks like the spur extends the loop, I'm not sure I'd differentiate them in modifier, but might in the description. They're signed differently, so I think that makes them distinct enough to be treated differently. -- ...computer

[Talk-us] Route Relation Tagging, again (was Re: ref tags)

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-06-24 09:11 -0500]: network=US:I modifier=Future * James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-06-25 00:15 -0400]: Now, I'm going to initially use the following to tag the Future segments inside of relations: network=US:I:Future However, somebody else

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-06-25 09:40 -0500]: There seems to be some disagreement on how to handle the super-two (or super-four s California has a few of) highways. [snip] I'm under the understanding that the consensus for a motorway would be fully multiple (at minimum 2)

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-06-22 20:04 -0400]: Yep, here's picture proof that I personally took a few years ago of a Future I-26 shield: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/NC/I-26/Img_2043s.jpg Alright. I'll add Future Interstate shields to my

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

* Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com [2013-06-21 09:17 -0400]: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I tend to think of the GNIS hamlets as small places-where-people-live. Around my section of the Baltimore suburbs, most of them are housing developments,

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

* Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com [2013-06-21 21:01 -0400]: In the city of Baltimore, we have over 250 well defined neighborhoods, yet their boundaries are defined by a planning dept., not the people per se. Most of the neighborhoods have nodes place=suburb, but it probably should be

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-06-22 07:22 -0400]: I do hope that the render will avoid using the Super relations. My rendering doesn't use super relations (mostly[0]), because it doesn't need to; the per-state relations contain all of the tags needed for it to get the right

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com [2013-06-20 09:26 -0700]: Also, even if it were the case that they were the same network, it makes sense to keep them separate because that is how the shield renderer determines which shield to put on the road. My shield renderer is pretty flexible. I can

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com [2013-06-18 08:07 -0500]: Because no one's stepped up to do it! Okay, I should probably put my toes in here. I can spend this weekend cleaning up my code (for http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/ ) and maybe try to get it running on the US server, if there's

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com [2013-06-17 22:19 -0400]: If the way is part of relation that has a ref, and the way itself does not have a ref, then the relation ref should propagate to the way. Note that the conventions for ref tags are different for relations and ways. A way

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

* Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundary level quirk in NYC

* John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com [2013-05-18 09:49 -0500]: You might want to take a look at how Virginia is mapped. Cities in Virginia are not considered to be subordinate to counties, even if surrounded on all sides by a county. From what I've seen of Virginia, it seems to be mapped

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] Baltimore Building Outlines Import

* Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com [2013-05-04 09:43 -0700]: Building type: you might be able to tell if its classified residential or commercial or whatever from the GIS data. Spatial queries should be able to tell that in combination with the landuse shapefiles (

Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore Building Outlines Import

* Matthew Petroff openstreet...@mpetroff.net [2013-05-04 00:07 -0400]: My only qualm with the data is that some buildings have more nodes than they need, but I'm not sure what can be done about it besides manually reviewing and simplifying all 200k+ outlines. My opinion on imports is that if

Re: [Talk-us] Airport Tagging

* Rick Marshall rick.marsh...@verticalgeo.com [2013-04-23 12:37 -0500]: 1. How do you mark Precision Approach Path Indicator (PAPI), Visual Approach Slope Indicator (VASI), VOR, and other Navigational Aids at airports. As far as I know, there isn't a widespread way of tagging these things. I

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

* Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com [2012-12-28 16:16 -0500]: So the question is, what should the exact criteria be for including an open space parcel in OSM. Consider some of the various types of property. I've used parcel data as a layer in JOSM to trace from. It lets me be a little

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing shorelines

* Eric H. Christensen e...@christensenplace.us [2012-12-13 21:54 -0500]: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 02:23:52PM -0500, Phil! Gold wrote: If you use JOSM, the ContourMerge plugin is very helpful here. Thanks for the advice. I've tried that technique and it seems to have done what I wanted

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing shorelines

* Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org [2012-12-13 12:58 -0800]: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: I use tilestache to go between JOSM's tile underlays and the ArcGIS REST interface). Do you have a pointer to any docs of how to do this? It's pretty simple. You use

Re: [Talk-us] Dual Carriageway?

* Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us [2012-11-29 12:18 -0700]: From looking around on OSM, it doesn't seem like people are marking roads with a garden in the middle of the road as a dual carriageway, maybe they should be? For short islands in the middle of a road (like the links you gave), I usually

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER expansion bot

* Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com [2012-11-27 11:33 -0500]: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote: Another clarification for this use case: A user changes the original highway name tag from Main St SW to SW Main Street, but did not alter the tiger tags. I

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

* Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com [2012-11-17 18:45 -0500]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/UnitedStates From my perspective, addr:street_prefix and addr:street_type don't seem that useful, since I don't see how they add information that's useful to data

Re: [Talk-us] US State Shield rendering - Modifiers

* Mike N nice...@att.net [2012-11-13 09:38 -0500]: WOOT! We may have hooked a new US mapper because of the shield rendering on the test shield development server! Awesome! That leads to a related question - what is the best way to tag for modified state routes. For example in South

Re: [Talk-us] What to do with unnamed NHD streams

* Paul Norman penor...@mac.com [2012-10-28 20:51 -0700]: A sensible solution in any NHD translation may be to drop any FCode 46003 (intermittent) streams without a name. It may also be worth dropping FCode 46006 (perennial) streams without a name. I do a lot of tracing streams from aerial

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2012-08-14 23:26 -0500]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect.

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

* Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net [2012-07-29 18:54 -0700]: [1] When combining ways in JOSM (at least), values for tiger:* tags are combined with : (colon) as a delimiter, instead of ; (semi-colon). Why, and should this be changed? I believe this behavior was intended to make

Re: [Talk-us] Post bot cleanup

* Mike N nice...@att.net [2012-07-19 17:01 -0400]: FYI in South Carolina, I'm volunteering to clean up the northwestern part of the state because I have some local knowledge. Cool. I've just finished looking over I-20 and repairing all the roads that were split to make bridges over it. I

Re: [Talk-us] Post bot cleanup

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2012-07-19 00:42 -0500]: Any other common problems that people have seen? Probably the most common thing I've seen is what TIGER road splits look like: one way (usually leading up to a bridge), followed by a string of unconnected nodes. Fixing these is

Re: [Talk-us] Post bot cleanup

* Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2012-07-19 14:22 -0600]: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Any other common problems that people have seen? Another thing I find is a lot of leftover stray nodes without any tags. I select them in JOSM with

Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable

* Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com [2012-07-19 15:58 -0700]: That's great, but will it overwrite work that we've already done? Presumably not. Potlatch loads shapefiles into a separate layer and requires mappers to manually pull the data into OSM. Also, is this

Re: [Talk-us] Redaction bot is heading our way!

* Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com [2012-07-18 18:26 -0700]: Chris Lawrence-2 wrote I've fixed up I-20 between the Columbia River and US 21 I also started fixing the I-20 at the intersection to I-77 I also started working on I-20, from the Georgia border. (I had qualms about just going with

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2012-07-08 14:20 -0500]: Closer to home I have also seen a Scenic Byway sign. This seems to be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I've done a bit of reading about these, mostly as they

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-06-27 12:59 -0400]: But another popular kind of rail trail, a rail with trail, cannot be found in this manner. [snip] Does anyone have any ideas for tagging? The simplest would be something like rail_with_trail=yes or maybe railway=adjacent. Either

Re: [Talk-us] holes in Columbus OH?

* Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us [2012-06-12 00:45 -0400]: There seem to be a lot of holes in the multipolygon relation, and it seems strange to me that there are so many places within the city that are not part of the city. Is anyone more familiar with this area that give an explanation for

Re: [Talk-us] UVM-SAL Buildings

* William Morris wboyk...@geosprocket.com [2012-05-31 21:25 -0400]: Trying this again, after a hiatus, here is a sample of a few hundred buildings from a UVM-SAL land use classification. In this case it's for an area just west of D.C. in Montgomery County, MD. I offer it for your consideration

Re: [Talk-us] Abbreviation expansion - USS to United States Ship?

* Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com [2012-05-10 14:01 -0400]: I think if we were too look at what is on the sign I bet it is U.S.S. MLK though often fully spells out the name on the sign. I would think in these cases it should be what is on the sign. Since it isn't an abbreviation of the road

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

for what's otherwise the same network subset: Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com: It seems to me that network=US:US:Business:MD is the logical extension of a scheme that has US:US and US:US:Business. My initial reaction is that this goes too far in mixing geographic, classification, and rendering

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-12 15:52 -0400]: On 4/12/2012 2:59 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Minh Nguyenm...@1ec5.org [2012-04-12 10:06 -0700]: There's an ALT I-75 that needs its own sequence file I wouldn't necessarily oppose a separate network tag in this case, since it's

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-11 17:33 -0700]: On Apr 11, 2012 11:48 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: From what I've read, all US highways in California should get similar treatment, in that they're signed with different shields than the standard ones. Are there other

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-12 00:09 -0700]: Thanks for your attention to detail! You're welcome. :) By the way, four-digit circle shields appear to have broken over the last day or two. Indeed they were. It should be fixed now, pending a rerender. (A few days ago, I changed the

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2012-04-12 09:40 -0400]: You need to create shields up to at least in the 6000 range for Kentucky. The reason I'm saying this is that the have a 6000 series for small service roads. [snip] So, on the safe side for the KY routes, I would create shields

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-12 10:06 -0700]: There's an ALT I-75 that needs its own sequence file I had no idea there were alternate Interstates. I added it under network=US:I:Alternate, ref=75. (Right now, it's rendering as regular I-75.) -- ...computer contrarian of the first

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

* Craig Hinners cr...@hinnerspace.com [2012-04-08 07:07 -0700]: Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com: It seems to me that network=US:US:Business:MD is the logical extension of a scheme that has US:US and US:US:Business. My initial reaction is that this goes too far in mixing geographic

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com [2012-04-03 17:27 -0400]: Okay. If there aren't any strenuous objections from other Virginians on the list, I'll go with US:VA:Secondary for the secondary routes and won't render them if they're tagged US:VA. I've made this change. It'll take a little while

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-04 11:54 -0700]: More requests: in addition to its circular-shield state highway system, Kentucky also has an ad-hoc parkway network. At least some of them are tagged `network=US:KY:Parkway` with a shield URL in `symbol`. Since I've now got shields

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-09 17:40 -0400]: Is there a reason there are no shields or fallback ovals here on Nocatee Parkway? http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=15lat=30.12344lon=-81.39063layers=B0 The way is tagged ref=CR 210 and the relation is

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-04 22:26 -0400]: On 4/4/2012 10:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There seems to be a problem here with US 17-92: http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=12lat=28.96029lon=-81.31906layers=B0 Change over to sign style and a bunch of shields appear.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-04 11:54 -0700]: More requests: in addition to its circular-shield state highway system, Kentucky also has an ad-hoc parkway network. [1] At least some of them are tagged `network=US:KY:Parkway` with a shield URL in `symbol`. The Kentucky Parkways are on

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-04 14:01 -0700]: OK, I'll bite. How is putting banners in the network tag preferential? why not something like... network=US:TX:FM modifier=Business network=US:US modifier=Business is_in=Maryland Each of the potential tagging schemes had

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com [2012-04-05 08:14 -0400]: * Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-04 11:54 -0700]: Looks like the Indiana Toll Road has no relation yet. That's fine. We don't have a shield for it yet either. :) Ah. And that's because my visit to Wikipedia left me unsure what

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Richard Weait rich...@weait.com [2012-04-04 01:09 -0400]: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 10:21 -0400]: http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=14lat=37.13887lon=-80.34525layers=B0 http

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-04 10:41 -0400]: On 4/2/2012 11:35 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: For things like Florida's toll roads, we currently treat that as a separate network, so a route relation tagged as network=US:FL:Toll, ref=528 would get the toll shield. I've done

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com [2012-04-04 08:55 -0400]: Is this something that could be used in a Carto stylesheet, or does it use special syntax only supported by XML? I'm not sure, because I don't really know Carto. Most of the magic comes from two places: first, there are PostgreSQL functions

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-04 11:54 -0400]: It seems that many people see the network tag as not representing a network but a shield design. Does this sound accurate? That matches my sense of what people have said about the tagging. I've been thinking of them in terms of

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-04 11:51 -0400]: (By the way, if it wasn't clear, you've done some good work here.) Thank you. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* CrystalWalrein closed...@hotmail.com [2012-04-02 15:45 -0700]: For areas in New Jersey, when I look at this rendering, I get county shields for all 500-series roads, but no shields are shown for 600-series roads anywhere. The formatting for county route relations in New Jersey is

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-03 02:19 -0700]: Displaying concurrent shields in bunches is certainly an improvement over all the maps that just pick one shield to display, and they look like reassurance sign assemblies to boot. But it's still strange to see shields hanging off either

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-02 14:34 -0400]: A total of *two* relations have network=US:US:Business, vs. 707 with network=US:US and modifier=Business. Yes, I know I had major influence in that, but that was months ago. There's also one US:OR:Business (which also has

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-03 07:21 -0700]: Also curious how some of the more interesting edge cases work out, such as Missouri Secondary State Highways Someone seems to have made route relations for a lot of these already, with a network of US:MO:Supplemental, so that's what I

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-03 07:23 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com wrote: Rosecrans is technically no longer a state highway, as CA 209 was decommissioned in 2003. I could take another look at 75 when the database is editable

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 10:21 -0400]: - Secondaries (network US:VA:secondary) don't seem to be rendering at all, and the fallback shields aren't showing up even where there are ref tags (just seems to be using Mapnik style). Simple rule for VA: if the ref = 600, or it

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-03 08:57 -0700]: Oregon/Washington/Oklahoma State Tour Routes Not currently supported.  Can you point me at some information about these? I don't think there's been a real effort to tag these yet, the four in Oregon I'm aware of are the Lewis

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-03 09:36 -0700]: INDIANA and possibly others would be more legible in a wider font. There's still space on either side to accommodate the text. Only on the wide-format shields. On the narrower ones used for two-digit numbers, the name runs right to the

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 11:44 -0400]: On 4/3/2012 11:19 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: A lot of those still don't render because they duplicate the subnetwork in the ref tag, so Loop 5 (picking an arbitrary number) might be represented as network=US:TX:LOOP, ref=5 Loop. Once

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-03 08:59 -0700]: That just reminded me... Chicago and Tulsa have city routes. I'm planning on looking at city routes after we sort out county routes. And these edge cases (city routes and state secondary/supplemental routes, especially oddball

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 13:36 -0400]: On 4/3/2012 12:52 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: Point taken. They will appear on our particular rendering if the locals choose to change the tagging. So you'll include network=US:US ref=17 Truck as acceptable tagging? Since I'm local

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

* Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 15:15 -0400]: As NE2 correctly points out, the number may not be the best guide. VA secondaries are a lot more like CR systems in other states or the secondary system in Missouri, in that the numbering doesn't carry between counties/cities

[Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

Here's something that might be a diversion while you wait for the database to allow editing again. Richard Weait and I have been working on a rendering that uses route relations to make individual shields that reflect what each state uses. I've got a working prototype, and I'd like to get some

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