Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-12-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:06 PM Kevin Broderick wrote: > I don't think that the way to is a reliable indicator of trail vs road. > Particularly in areas managed for forestry, I believe it's fairly common > for a disused skid road to be managed and used as a non motorized trail (I > can think of a

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-12-06 Thread Kevin Broderick
I don't think that the way to is a reliable indicator of trail vs road. Particularly in areas managed for forestry, I believe it's fairly common for a disused skid road to be managed and used as a non motorized trail (I can think of a few examples around here), which is a distinct situation from a

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-12-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 6:42 PM Eric H. Christensen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:13 PM, Kevin Broderick < > k...@kevinbroderick.com> wrote: > > > Doesn't the Forest Service use FR for "Forest

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-12-06 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:13 PM, Kevin Broderick wrote: > Doesn't the Forest Service use FR for "Forest Road" at the reference? I'd > think that, or NFR to distinguish from state forest roads, would be the

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
The numbering is consistent only within a single National Forest and numbers will likely repeat even where multiple national forests are contiguously adjacent. The numbers are unique within each individual forest, though. On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 16:21 Tod Fitch > > On Nov 29, 2018, at 1:28 PM,

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-29 Thread Jack Burke
As Paul said, it depends on the type of road. In Georgia, the signage has been the brown keystone one for roads that mere mortal cars can drive on: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/HD_cjbQunrGWEQCViX-Now And the vertical ones with FS on them for people with more advanced vehicles:

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 14:14 Kevin Broderick Doesn't the Forest Service use FR for "Forest Road" at the reference? I'd > think that, or NFR to distinguish from state forest roads, would be the > more appropriate ref, as FS is ambiguous (it doesn't distinguish between a > forest road and a forest

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-29 Thread Kevin Broderick
Doesn't the Forest Service use FR for "Forest Road" at the reference? I'd think that, or NFR to distinguish from state forest roads, would be the more appropriate ref, as FS is ambiguous (it doesn't distinguish between a forest road and a forest trail). (c.f.

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-29 Thread Jack Burke
Oh I am so happy that Frederik brought this up. I've been thinking about this topic for a while, but just haven't said anything. I love the ensuing discussion, too. So, first, the wiki page on now to tag the refs

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Michael Patrick
I'm not familiar with OSM routing, but these roads enter and cross some of the most inhospitable mountainous terrain in the United States. Some, like the 101 mile long Magruder Corridor ( https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5109483.pdf ) are only open a few months of the year,

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Eric H. Christensen wrote: > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:49 AM, Martijn van Exel > wrote: > > > I think you are right. It would be good if we can arrive at a common > > prefix and document it on the wiki. 'FS' makes sense. Perhaps even a new > > page

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:58 AM Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a > > ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. > > I think the ref tag on the ways should have a prefix and

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I think you are right. It would be good if we can arrive at a common > prefix and document it on the wiki. 'FS' makes sense. Perhaps even a new >

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2018-11-28 06:49, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:07:45 -0800 Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a ref, since that is how they are

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:07:45 -0800 Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) > >> as a ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. > > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. I think the ref tag on the ways should have a prefix and not just consist of a

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:50 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:44 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> It is worth noting that the current shape file available from USDA seems >> to be more comprehensive than the forest service roads layer available: >>

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:27 PM Max Erickson wrote: > As other have mentioned, there are many numbered roads managed by the > USFS. They range in development from closed, abandoned log roads to > well maintained pavement. I map them using the FS prefix. > > For the general public one of the

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:44 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > It is worth noting that the current shape file available from USDA seems > to be more comprehensive than the forest service roads layer available: > https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.php?dsetCategory=transportation > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
It is worth noting that the current shape file available from USDA seems to be more comprehensive than the forest service roads layer available: https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.php?dsetCategory=transportation

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Evin Fairchild
Worth noting that most people just call them forest service roads. I've never heard anyone call them "forest highways." On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 9:27 AM Max Erickson As other have mentioned, there are many numbered roads managed by the > USFS. They range in development from closed, abandoned log

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Max Erickson
As other have mentioned, there are many numbered roads managed by the USFS. They range in development from closed, abandoned log roads to well maintained pavement. I map them using the FS prefix. For the general public one of the main uses is the publication of motor vehicle access conditions:

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Frederik, I don’t remember it being widely discussed / agreed upon. When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. https://dcasler.com/2011/06/16/owl-creek-pass-getting-there-from-ridgway/

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Roff, Thomas (FHWA)
/ ARNOLD Project Manager Federal Highway Administration -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:40 AM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap Subject: [Talk-us] Forest Routes Hi, apparently you have something in the US

[Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, apparently you have something in the US called "Forest Routes" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Highway which even has its own kind of shield! (Yes I know, there are *many* shields. I've followed the discussions!) Is there some common understanding of how to map these, if at all? I've